Jamaran-2

[gambit]

you are Ignoring land radars, linked and passive radars almost annihilates stealth benefits. without land radars it's like ship is in the high seas. also our enemy in Persian gulf is using Air support for sure.

You do not know what you are talking about. Land radars are on land so they are constrained by the same horizon limit as ship radars.

Passive radars? No such beast. I explained what they are, their weaknesses, and how to defeat them many times on this forum. Look them up.

 

[mohsen]

You do not know what you are talking about. Land radars are on land so they are constrained by the same horizon limit as ship radars.

Passive radars? No such beast. I explained what they are, their weaknesses, and how to defeat them many times on this forum. Look them up.

so you are saying there is not any mountain around Persian gulf?
dreams about efficiency of stealth tech are against Iran's detections in past years.
Stealth Countermeasures. The Billion Dollar Boondoggle by Steven J. Smith
China, Russia Could Make U.S. Stealth Tech Obsolete | Danger Room | Wired.com

 

[gambit]

so you are saying there is not any mountain around Persian gulf?

Yeah...You can put a radar station on a mountain top if you like. But you cannot simply say mountain and be done with it. How far is the mountain from the body of water? Did you know that water produces unique radar returns that can say the target is below the surface?

dreams about efficiency of stealth tech are against Iran's detections in past years.
Stealth Countermeasures. The Billion Dollar Boondoggle by Steven J. Smith
China, Russia Could Make U.S. Stealth Tech Obsolete | Danger Room | Wired.com

All of those have been discussed before.

Young man, you have not brought a single new item for discussion.

 

[mohsen]

Yeah...You can put a radar station on a mountain top if you like. But you cannot simply say mountain and be done with it. How far is the mountain from the body of water? Did you know that water produces unique radar returns that can say the target is below the surface?

yah, and I know some are using water fountains as stealth tech.

All of those have been discussed before.

Young man, you have not brought a single new item for discussion.

I didn't want to bring anything new, but you get bored soon old man.
some asked why we didn't start with stealth design for ships, I pointed that even US navy mostly lean on non-stealth tech.

 

[Uhuhu]

 

[Uhuhu]

I think if instead of investing about 75 million dollars on jamaran 2 , we had invested on a VLS missile , it would be much better , because with that method , we could have increase the weapons to about twice of now ....

and where you wanna set it up? we first need ships enough. then we can do what you said.
as i know we are working on VLS too.

 

[ihealugo]

because for VLS you need to change to body of the ship ! you can't simply put about 30-40 cells of VLS on the ship ... the ship must be designed for a VLS ....

now you want to put the VLS in the sailor rooms ?! or the command center ? kitchen ? armory? !!!!...

 

[Uhuhu]

because for VLS you need to change to body of the ship ! you can't simply put about 30-40 cells of VLS on the ship ... the ship must be designed for a VLS ....

now you want to put the VLS in the sailor rooms ?! or the command center ? kitchen ? armory? !!!!...

exactly, I thought you are talking about VLS project not about to design a ship to set it up. what you said was exactly my point. as we still have not VLS it's not Necessary to design a ship to carry that system for now. beside that, we need all types of warships.

 

[ihealugo]

i said that because with VLS you can carry alot of more weapon !
for example the russian destroyer Kirov (is under overhaul) with a tonage of 24000 tons have about 96 Fort/Fort M VLS cells and about 190 Tor cells... indeed it is a great destroyer ! now just compare the jamaran 2 to saar 5 the israel ship , it can carry about 30-40 cells of VLS .

i just said these for general information of the iranian baro bax

WANNA SEE IRANIAN + 6000 TONS DESTROYER WITH 100 VLS CELLS!!!!

 

[Uhuhu]

 

[Uhuhu]

i know what are you talking about. it's my wish too. but step by step. every field in iranian military industry has a history. we are not like some countries that a day suddenly claim they are building last generation of something like tank while they never even worked on a scratch of previous model tanks.all real powers do same job.
but we start from building fishing boats years ago and now here we are. i am sure when our VLS be ready in future, they design a new ship for it and it's not as hard as designing an heli pad.

 

[cabatli_53]

This ship doesn't have a sonar dome under the keel ?

 

[Persian Achaemenid Empire]

This ship doesn't have a sonar dome under the keel ?

Good point.

Again this ships is just suppose to be a cheap boat which took 2 years to built due to new electronics warefare systems and radars. I might be wrong but would it be needed to have a sonar dome for such a light ship?

There are many things a new Iranians ships will need such as some stealth capbiliuty, VLS launch and so on.
Jamaran is a old vosper design which they are only using for it's price + experience. You need to understand, Iran does not have experience alot with naval ships. hopefully the PERSIAN gulf frigate will pave the way for much better ships.

 

[ihealugo]

i think it was necessary to build jamaran 1 because we needed to know how to use Aluminum in the ship and the technology of the structure.
now we had that. in jamaran 2 we gained some radar technology (almost all of the radars were changed ).
the mowj 3 ship will be a kind of stealth ship with a higher tonage ( about 3000 tons)
so the mowj 4 will have better weapons CIWS and etc...

don't forget that this 2 year is just for that we had gained the technology in jamaran 1 ! when you know that what you need to know the time you need to complete a ship will be reduced .

i think we will see at the end of 2018 , we will see first iranian destroyer ... (possibly Loghman projecy , if it don't be the mowj 4)

Jamaran 2 also lasted for 6 years . this 2 year was only for structure ...

 

[Persian Achaemenid Empire]

i think it was necessary to build jamaran 1 because we needed to know how to use Aluminum in the ship and the technology of the structure.
now we had that. in jamaran 2 we gained some radar technology (almost all of the radars were changed ).
the mowj 3 ship will be a kind of stealth ship with a higher tonage ( about 3000 tons)
so the mowj 4 will have better weapons CIWS and etc...

don't forget that this 2 year is just for that we had gained the technology in jamaran 1 ! when you know that what you need to know the time you need to complete a ship will be reduced .

i think we will see at the end of 2018 , we will see first iranian destroyer ... (possibly Loghman projecy , if it don't be the mowj 4)

Jamaran 2 also lasted for 6 years . this 2 year was only for structure ...

If by mowj 3 you mean sahand then I doubt it will be any where near 3000 tons.
it is a bit longer than jamaran but no way enough it almost double it's mass.

sahand uses a new body that has some stealth capability.