What's new

Jaguars to get more teeth, muscle

sudhir007

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Jul 6, 2009
Messages
4,728
Reaction score
1
Jaguars to get more teeth, muscle - The Times of India

India is finally giving its Jaguar "strike'' fighters some much-needed new teeth with advanced missiles, engines and avionics. Apart from having a maritime strike role as well, the Jaguars have long been identified by IAF as the jets capable of delivering nuclear weapons if required.

The IAF on Monday issued a RFP (request for proposal) to M/s Honeywell Aerospace, the US-based manufacturer of aircraft engines and avionics, to ``completely re-engine'' 125 Jaguars and provide 270 F-125IN turbofan engines.

Concurrently, IAF is all set for the first test-flight of a Jagaur fighter upgraded to ``Darin-III'' standards by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), with new-generation avionics including a glass cockpit and autopilot, next month.

Grappling with only 34 fighter squadrons when at least 44 are needed to be ``comfortable'' against Pakistan and China, IAF has been progressively going in for upgrade of its existing fighters as well as planning new inductions to retain its aerial combat ratio while phasing out the old MiG variants.

IAF already has upgrade projects underway for 51 Mirage-2000s for Rs 17,547 crore and 63 MiG-29s for $964 million, even as it inducts 272 Sukhoi-30MKIs at a cost upwards of $12 billion. Then, it plans to induct 126 French Rafale fighters in the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project.

For futuristic requirements, IAF is looking at inducting over 200 stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft from 2022 onwards, after joint development and production with Russia, at an overall cost that will eventually touch $35 billion.

Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne on Tuesday told top IAF commanders that the force was ``going through a very busy and challenging'' period. ``Our focus now, and at all times, must be on three priority areas - operational capability, operational infrastructure and operational security, especially in view of the new inductions in our inventory.''

As for the Jaguar project, the plan is to finish the "design and development'' phase with Honeywell on the initial two fighters by 2015-16. The "complete re-engine'' phase of the remaining 123 fighters will be completed by 2023-24 by HAL under transfer of technology from the US firm.

IAF had inducted 40 Jaguars from UK from 1979 onwards, which was later followed by indigenous licensed production by HAL. But with progressive upgrades of avionics and weapon systems, the overweight fighters have been suffering from their "under-powered'' Adour-811 engines manufactured by Rolls-Royce. Several Jaguar crashes have also occurred due to engine problems.

"There is a serious low thrust engine issue. Earlier, Rolls-Royce was also in the race to supply more powerful engines for the Jaguars but the company withdrew its bid last year. So, IAF got the clearance from the Defence Acquisitions Council to move the project on a single vendor (Honeywell) basis,'' said a source.
 
.
We have been hearing since a decade and it may take few more years for the deal .
 
.
Livefist: RFP Out To Honeywell For New IAF Jaguar Engines

On October 15, the Indian Ministry of Defence sent out an RFP to Honeywell Aerospace for the F125 IN turbofan to re-engine the Indian Air Force's fleet of Jaguar deep penetration strike aircraft. The RFP puts down a requirement for 270 engines (for 125 Jaguars + additional). Honeywell won by default after Rolls-Royce punched out of the competition last year with its Adour Mk821 offer.

The IAF is keen to conclude the engine deal quickly to keep pace with the rest of the Jaguar upgrade programme, already delayed. The F125 IN was first demonstrated to the IAF in Bangalore five years ago in 2007.

In 2009, while announcing the F125 IN's participation in the IAF competition, Honeywell had said, "The engine is projected to save the Indian Air Force more than Rs 7,000 Crores ($1.5 billion) in life-cycle costs compared to other upgrade options being considered. The F125IN permits the Jaguar to perform missions never before possible with the current engine."
 
.
We have been hearing since a decade and it may take few more years for the deal .

Unnecessarily Gov. harass us. they have lakhs of rupees to do the corruption and no money for defence expenditure.

Just I m in favour of phased out all the mig-21, mig-27 and Jaguars. Now they are old and not capable. even the engines etc of car are changed that does not make it more powerful. we need to do more buisness to raise yrly 2 billion more to bare the expences and government need reduce corruption so we can purchase other planes. I think super sukhoi, rafale are better to deal with the same. might be we also see some new planes mean while by us of 6th gen or Russian single engine mig's stealth fighter etc.
 
.
Jaguars to get more teeth, muscle - The Times of India

India is finally giving its Jaguar "strike'' fighters some much-needed new teeth with advanced missiles, engines and avionics. Apart from having a maritime strike role as well, the Jaguars have long been identified by IAF as the jets capable of delivering nuclear weapons if required.

The IAF on Monday issued a RFP (request for proposal) to M/s Honeywell Aerospace, the US-based manufacturer of aircraft engines and avionics, to ``completely re-engine'' 125 Jaguars and provide 270 F-125IN turbofan engines.

Concurrently, IAF is all set for the first test-flight of a Jagaur fighter upgraded to ``Darin-III'' standards by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), with new-generation avionics including a glass cockpit and autopilot, next month.

Grappling with only 34 fighter squadrons when at least 44 are needed to be ``comfortable'' against Pakistan and China, IAF has been progressively going in for upgrade of its existing fighters as well as planning new inductions to retain its aerial combat ratio while phasing out the old MiG variants.

IAF already has upgrade projects underway for 51 Mirage-2000s for Rs 17,547 crore and 63 MiG-29s for $964 million, even as it inducts 272 Sukhoi-30MKIs at a cost upwards of $12 billion. Then, it plans to induct 126 French Rafale fighters in the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project.

For futuristic requirements, IAF is looking at inducting over 200 stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft from 2022 onwards, after joint development and production with Russia, at an overall cost that will eventually touch $35 billion.

Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne on Tuesday told top IAF commanders that the force was ``going through a very busy and challenging'' period. ``Our focus now, and at all times, must be on three priority areas - operational capability, operational infrastructure and operational security, especially in view of the new inductions in our inventory.''

As for the Jaguar project, the plan is to finish the "design and development'' phase with Honeywell on the initial two fighters by 2015-16. The "complete re-engine'' phase of the remaining 123 fighters will be completed by 2023-24 by HAL under transfer of technology from the US firm.

IAF had inducted 40 Jaguars from UK from 1979 onwards, which was later followed by indigenous licensed production by HAL. But with progressive upgrades of avionics and weapon systems, the overweight fighters have been suffering from their "under-powered'' Adour-811 engines manufactured by Rolls-Royce. Several Jaguar crashes have also occurred due to engine problems.

"There is a serious low thrust engine issue. Earlier, Rolls-Royce was also in the race to supply more powerful engines for the Jaguars but the company withdrew its bid last year. So, IAF got the clearance from the Defence Acquisitions Council to move the project on a single vendor (Honeywell) basis,'' said a source.


at the rate of IAF pace , the Jags woul have completed airframe life......just too slow and only talk.....bad planning to add to that....may be the future chiefs would get to inagurate the project..
 
.
Why not buy brand new Sukhoi's or Rafale's with the money intended for upgrade??
 
.
Why not buy brand new Sukhoi's or Rafale's with the money intended for upgrade??

Up-gradation cost is less then new purchase. if you look at the total cost of engine, weapon and avionics, etc... of 125 jaguar is not more then 2.5 to 3 billion dollar. also if you look at the cost of 42 su-30 which we buy recently is around $3.2billion.
 
.
Why not buy brand new Sukhoi's or Rafale's with the money intended for upgrade??

They are for different roles. Also I think either the AMCA or the FGFAs will replace the Jaguars in the future. So it is indeed a cost effective solution without compromising on capabilities.
 
.
Up-gradation cost is less then new purchase. if you look at the total cost of engine, weapon and avionics, etc... of 125 jaguar is not more then 2.5 to 3 billion dollar. also if you look at the cost of 42 su-30 which we buy recently is around $3.2billion.

Just that they will be at least 3 times more useful than the Jags, IAF should have at least reduced the number of Jags that will be upgraded when the operational advantage is doubtful.
 
. . .
Please read the bold part

what are you trying to point out ?
80+ jaguagrs were procured on 1981 and many countries retired them already. so we should upgrade the one's which were procured later, which is relatively new.rest of the money can be used for alternatives like mki, rafale or Lca.And don't forget this upgrade is going to take 8-10 years which is unrealistically slow and too late for a platform as old as this.
 
.
Up-gradation cost is less then new purchase. if you look at the total cost of engine, weapon and avionics, etc... of 125 jaguar is not more then 2.5 to 3 billion dollar. also if you look at the cost of 42 su-30 which we buy recently is around $3.2billion.
Sir don't you think it would have been better if instead of upgrading Jaguar by spending 3 Billion Dollars IAF would have waited for LCA Mk2 and invested this amount in procuring 80-100 LCA Mk2.....Which will have more payload,more hard points and can defend itself from its adversary....
 
.
We have been hearing since a decade and it may take few more years for the deal .

welcome back...

Unnecessarily Gov. harass us. they have lakhs of rupees to do the corruption and no money for defence expenditure.

Just I m in favour of phased out all the mig-21, mig-27 and Jaguars. Now they are old and not capable. even the engines etc of car are changed that does not make it more powerful. we need to do more buisness to raise yrly 2 billion more to bare the expences and government need reduce corruption so we can purchase other planes. I think super sukhoi, rafale are better to deal with the same. might be we also see some new planes mean while by us of 6th gen or Russian single engine mig's stealth fighter etc.

he is a false flag troll..

The point is, maybe the Jaguars would be out of vogue in our northern borders but they sure will prove highly lethal when placed on Andaman Islands with the added maritime strike capability.

We can also place those strikers in ayni air base :P
 
.
Now its just wastage of money to upgrade JAGUAR, it should completed time ago.
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom