J&K doc’s mission: Modernise madrassa in militant hotbed

[illusion8]

SRINAGAR: A madrassa in Sopore district, one of the hotbeds of militancy in Jammu & Kashmir, is being prepped for imparting formal education along with theological study of Islam - the idea is to set an example for more such Islamic seminaries to open up to formal scholastic education.

"My aim is to revolutionize madrassas in Kashmir after I learnt that terrorists are produced in Islamic seminaries," Sohail Nasti, a doctor who has also trained as a rescue pilot, told TOI.

Nasti's international charity organization, Mother Helpage Worldwide, has worked on several projects in Kashmir in the last two decades. Modernising madrassa is the latest step, following an increasing perception that these seminaries have become breeding grounds for militants and terrorists of all shades.

The first seminary identified for modernization is Darul-Uloom Mahrajpora, Sopore, 52km from Srinagar. There are more than 12 madrassas in Sopore which are suspect, state government sources said. "We have informed the authorities (about their activities)," a top intelligence officer told TOI.

The officer recalled that in December 2006, the security forces had come to know about a full-fledged recruitment cell of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in a madrassa in Sopore, after the parents of a young student (talib) informed the Army unit at Pattan about their son having gone missing. The boy was rescued from the Kupwara forests, and he revealed the role of the Sopore madrassas.

Speaking about his mission, Nasti, who is settled in UK, said, "We provide computers and other equipment to the madrassa to enable students to earn an honourable livelihood after education."

Nasti wants to teach science and technology to talibs. "We want scholars who can grow and work as professionals and have regular incomes. An Imam shouldn't be paid for leading the prayers. If an Imam is working in a masjid, his income should be from another source. I want to provide madrassa students with literacy and education so that they earn their livelihood," Nasti said.

Religious scholars can serve Islam better if they are assured of an honorable living after they come out of the madrassas, he said.

"People believe a madrassa is a place where students are taught only religious subjects, and that it has no connection with modern education. I want to change this perception," Nasti said. Besides modernization, Nasti says his vision is to support the youth in need of professional mentoring.

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[Ice Cube]

meh, can't polish a turd. What they should be doing is investigating all madrassas and any found involved in jihad and terrorism should be demolished, and their imams thrown in jail for life.

 

[raktaka]

We need to provide Internet and Laptops to Madrassas in India.

That way they can google how to make bombs and use Facebook and Twitter to spread hate and propaganda, link up with global terrorists and provide moral support to terrorists.

 

[zebra7]

I had been in J&K during the time when the terrorism rose from the Sayeed Rubia abduction to the height. To understand it completely I think I should write an article with the points which is unheard, and undiscussed. But for the time being, the terrorist first thing they did in the valley was to burn all the schools, Cinema, and Auditorium. There were lot of good school in the state capital of Srinagar, which were burned, and the best with CBSE left were KV and Army School. I was the student in Army School and most of student in my class were civilians aka Kasmiri - Muslims, Kashmiri Pandit and sikh. But onething I want to tell you that most of them were of good family, I mean Rich family. They come to our school daily in the morning with well dress and even enjoyed the Video games, watch movies, and had lot of money and we look poor in front of them. But what about the other kashmiri, who were left with whatever they could find, a madarssa. The tourism was the main source of economy, and was flaurished at some time, but after terrorism, the source of encome gets scarced, so finding job too become a difficult in a difficult harsh environment.

 

[illusion8]

I had been in J&K during the time when the terrorism rose from the Sayeed Rubia abduction to the height. To understand it completely I think I should write an article with the points which is unheard, and undiscussed. But for the time being, the terrorist first thing they did in the valley was to burn all the schools, Cinema, and Auditorium. There were lot of good school in the state capital of Srinagar, which were burned, and the best with CBSE left were KV and Army School. I was the student in Army School and most of student in my class were civilians aka Kasmiri - Muslims, Kashmiri Pandit and sikh. But onething I want to tell you that most of them were of good family, I mean Rich family. They come to our school daily in the morning with well dress and even enjoyed the Video games, watch movies, and had lot of money and we look poor in front of them. But what about the other kashmiri, who were left with whatever they could find, a madarssa. The tourism was the main source of economy, and was flaurished at some time, but after terrorism, the source of encome gets scarced, so finding job too become a difficult in a difficult harsh environment.

You should write an article. And the modus operandi you describe is what they undertake wherever they gain a foothold..isis land taliban land Boko haram land etc etc for e.g....All schools and non sunni religious places are destroyed and sharia introduced. Women go into burqas and children are sent to extremist madrassa.

 

[zebra7]

You should write an article. And the modus operandi you describe is what they undertake wherever they gain a foothold..isis land taliban land Boko haram land etc etc for e.g....All schools and non sunni religious places are destroyed and sharia introduced. Women go into burqas and children are sent to extremist madrassa.

Sure mate but you have realized till now I don't have certain writeup skills nor I have a good command in the language, and many time found myself with lack of word and comprehension knowledge.

We need to provide Internet and Laptops to Madrassas in India.

That way they can google how to make bombs and use Facebook and Twitter to spread hate and propaganda, link up with global terrorists and provide moral support to terrorists.

As a matter of fact not all madarssa are bad, as far as I know and not most of them produce terrorist, but it have certain vulnerability being the religious studies, and any infiltration of bad intension and ideology can cause havoc on the minds of the students. Every coin have two face-- madarssa the place to make the religious good person could be manupulated to be on the jihadi service to save the religion from the hypothetical threat from the dellused enemy.

 

[illusion8]

Sure mate but you have realized till now I don't have certain writeup skills nor I have a good command in the language, and many time found myself with lack of word and comprehension knowledge.


As a matter of fact not all madarssa are bad, as far as I know and not most of them produce terrorist, but it have certain vulnerability being the religious studies, and any infiltration of bad intension and ideology can cause havoc on the minds of the students. Every coin have two face-- madarssa the place to make the religious good person could be manupulated to be on the jihadi service to save the religion from the hypothetical threat from the dellused enemy.

Doesn't matter...what you can do is write up a draft and then make corrections to it a few times..

 

[Donald Trump]

The Hurriyat and their ilk are gonna get really pissed off! This doc will be getting threat letters sooner than later.

I admire his courage for trying to convert terrorist factories into educational institutions!

 

[zebra7]

Doesn't matter...what you can do is write up a draft and then make corrections to it a few times..

Then Sure I will, give me some time for that -- I was actually planning to write an article on the Religion and God with the scientific and technical view, the mixture and knowledge that I attain in my life and present to the PDF, the best place because of both Indian and pakistani, with few very hardcore religious view and some technical guys. Few days before I wrote a small part of it for the thread "Where is God", but mod delete the thread, but I saved my post for future reference. Bellow are some excerts

P.s @MOD littlebit offtopic only for @illusion8

"Nature have provided us few organs like eyes, tongue, nose, skins and few senses like vision, smell, taste, feel, pain etc , actually they are developed in thousands of years of evolution of the living being to cope up with environment, which may be living and non-living being. And we also developed an Organ in the evolutionary process called Brain. As far as the human brain is concerned how it works -- Gets inputs from the sensory organs and always tries to look for the reason for that. And when it could not find the answer of WHY like why it happens, and if it don't happens why it don't happens. Try out the question WHY, there is no end, nor anyone could answer this question. So to avoid our brain getting crashed we made a choice of creating a variable called INFINITY who don't have any value, but we believe in that variable, in another word have Faith. And the question that the human is desperate to find is Why we exists ?"

And some of my explaination for the universe small I have much more to express

"We know only 4 parameters --- Length, Bregth , height, and Time only, these are the only 4 parameter which we try to measure, and compare other than that we don't understand any other parameter because our senses have such limitation. But these parameters are only valid on earth, and outside, in space there meanings vanishes.
E.g take a parameter like Time : What is time -- The only definition of Time is that it is what the clock reads. In space the time does not exists at all, so do the length breath or height, that's why Universe don't have any size, nor Universe have any Age. The only thing we got confused in understanding this truth is that we always tries to compare it with some thing that exists on earth our sense could measure."

It is not a religious at all instead a scientific and technical answer. Do you think I should write something more and bigger article with freedom of explanation and example.

@MilSpec @Joe Shearer Sir, I would like to write some of things that have always confused me for years in my mind and some of the questions and my own explaination, that includes the religion, god, universe including the law of everything "The therory of String" for the explaination of various forces like kinetic, potential, magnetic, chemical, electrical, gravitational energy in sceintific and technical explaination. Can I post such article in PDF

 

[illusion8]

Then Sure I will, give me some time for that -- I was actually planning to write an article on the Religion and God with the scientific and technical view, the mixture and knowledge that I attain in my life and present to the PDF, the best place because of both Indian and pakistani, with few very hardcore religious view and some technical guys. Few days before I wrote a small part of it for the thread "Where is God", but mod delete the thread, but I saved my post for future reference. Bellow are some excerts

P.s @MOD littlebit offtopic only for @illusion8

"Nature have provided us few organs like eyes, tongue, nose, skins and few senses like vision, smell, taste, feel, pain etc , actually they are developed in thousands of years of evolution of the living being to cope up with environment, which may be living and non-living being. And we also developed an Organ in the evolutionary process called Brain. As far as the human brain is concerned how it works -- Gets inputs from the sensory organs and always tries to look for the reason for that. And when it could not find the answer of WHY like why it happens, and if it don't happens why it don't happens. Try out the question WHY, there is no end, nor anyone could answer this question. So to avoid our brain getting crashed we made a choice of creating a variable called INFINITY who don't have any value, but we believe in that variable, in another word have Faith. And the question that the human is desperate to find is Why we exists ?"

And some of my explaination for the universe small I have much more to express

"We know only 4 parameters --- Length, Bregth , height, and Time only, these are the only 4 parameter which we try to measure, and compare other than that we don't understand any other parameter because our senses have such limitation. But these parameters are only valid on earth, and outside, in space there meanings vanishes.
E.g take a parameter like Time : What is time -- The only definition of Time is that it is what the clock reads. In space the time does not exists at all, so do the length breath or height, that's why Universe don't have any size, nor Universe have any Age. The only thing we got confused in understanding this truth is that we always tries to compare it with some thing that exists on earth our sense could measure."

It is not a religious at all instead a scientific and technical answer. Do you think I should write something more and bigger article with freedom of explanation and example.

Yes you should...and run it across a few members for analysis..For e.g. The first para can be simply defined by "the power of reasoning"..or the ability of the human mind to "search for reason", "the search for answers".

Your second para is quite deep too, I have an inkling what you are getting at... I definitely think you should write.

 

[zebra7]

Yes you should...and run it across a few members for analysis..For e.g. The first para can be simply defined by "the power of reasoning"..or the ability of the human mind to "search for reason", "the search for answers".

Actually the first para is just the excert, its the reason why we created the infinity variable, which is actually the god-- thats what I am going to prove , and that might be the problem posting here

And the second para is just a small part, Its huge and I could write whole book, its more physics and most important the unanwerable questions my own explaination with a concept which is only one formula for all the energies i.e the string theory. Why we have different formulae and explaination for different energy like vanderwall binding of atoms and gravitational pull, when there should be only one formulae and explaination. Some of my ideas of dark matter and future space travel hypothetical tech.

 

[illusion8]

Actually the first para is just the excert, its the reason why we created the infinity variable, which is actually the god-- thats what I am going to prove , and that might be the problem posting here

And the second para is just a small part, Its huge and I could write whole book, its more physics and most important the unanwerable questions my own explaination with a concept which is only one formula for all the energies i.e the string theory. Why we have different formulae and explaination for different energy like vanderwall binding of atoms and gravitational pull, when there should be only one formulae and explaination. Some of my ideas of dark matter and future space travel hypothetical tech.

Thats interesting,

I would be very keen to read it. Tag me when you are through writing some more.

 

[raktaka]

As a matter of fact not all madarssa are bad, as far as I know and not most of them produce terrorist, but it have certain vulnerability being the religious studies, and any infiltration of bad intension and ideology can cause havoc on the minds of the students. Every coin have two face-- madarssa the place to make the religious good person could be manupulated to be on the jihadi service to save the religion from the hypothetical threat from the dellused enemy.

Lets cut the crap.

Madrassas are places where children are thought ideology and religious indoctrinations. THAT is their PRIMARY job.

Their secondary job is to provide modern education.

Islam as a religion will preach "truths" about Kafirs and Dhimmis. It does not require any special manipulation to turn them into Jihadi or preach hate. Just reading the quran will convince them that Slavery is good and women are inferior to men.

Manipulator is required to showcase it as "religion of peace" and equality.


They ONLY reason they exist in India is because the CHristian Cartels have monopoly over education and the Muslims then ask why can't we do the same.

No point in whitewashing what is rotten.

 

[zebra7]

Islam as a religion will preach "truths" about Kafirs and Dhimmis. It does not require any special manipulation to turn them into Jihadi or preach hate. Just reading the quran will convince them that Slavery is good and women are inferior to men.

I am a hard core hindu and studied Islam with the Religion subject in my college. Care to explain further with reference.

Their secondary job is to provide modern education.

correct

They ONLY reason they exist in India is because the CHristian Cartels have monopoly over education and the Muslims then ask why can't we do the same.

So when did they ask give the date and to whom. Pls enlighten me.

 

[raktaka]

I am a hard core hindu and studied Islam with the Religion subject in my college. Care to explain further with reference.

You being a "hard core hindu" has no bearing on the matter. Are you looking for brownie points ?

Just google original quranic verses regarding Slavery, Kafirs, women etc. But if what you are claiming s true, then there is no need to goolge either. You would have already known it.

So when did they ask give the date and to whom. Pls enlighten me.

That is the general argument given smart@ss. Don't play coy with me. You seek enlightenment, pdf is the right place for you ....... too bad Buddha never logged into pdf.