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J-K debate: UK upholds Modi statement on Pakistan

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Amidst a heated debate in the House of Commons, Britain on Thursday said it agreed with Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s recent statement that any meaningful dialogue between India and Pakistan ‘necessarily requires an environment that is free from terrorism and violence’.

The three-hour debate in Westminster Hall on the ‘political and humanitarian situation in Kashmir’ witnessed strong words as MPs mostly upheld the Indian position on Jammu and Kashmir that included highlighting the plight of Kashmiri Pandits driven out of their homeland.

As MPs highlighted continued infiltration into J-K from the across the borders, foreign office minister Tobias Ellwood recalled Modi's August 29 statement on Pakistan, and reiterated Britain's known position: “It is not for the UK to prescribe a solution or to mediate in finding one”.

This was the second debate on J-K in the House of Commons in three years.

Unlike the debate in September 2011, which evoked much concern in official Indian circles, this time the response was less evocative with no overtones of triumphalism after the debate ended, which partly reflected a globally more confident India’s reset world-view that focusses more on countries such as Russia, Japan and the United States.

Ellwood said: “The long-standing position of the UK is that it is for India and Pakistan to find a lasting resolution to the situation in Kashmir, one which takes into account…the wishes of the Kashmiri people."

Watched by a large number of people from the visitors gallery, Labour MP Barry Gardiner drew a hypothetical parallel, and said: “In exactly a week’s time, the people of Scotland will go to the polls in a referendum to decide the future of our country. The debate has been hotly contested and not without its ill temper; but imagine the outrage on both sides of that debate if the Indian Parliament, the Lok Sabha, were today debating the merits or demerits of Scottish independence and passing judgment upon what we in the United Kingdom see as a matter for us, and us alone, to decide."

To suggestions that Britain had a role to play in Jammu & Kashmir, Conservative MP Gregory Barker said: “Given Britain’s legacy in India, I have to say that I find the assumption—presumption, rather—that we somehow have a role to play slightly offensive. It smacks of neo-imperialism, it is arrogant and we should respect the extraordinary achievements of India since 1947. Britain would have a role to play only if and when our advice or assistance were sought. Clearly, in this case, it is not”.

Summarising the history of Jammu & Kashmir’s accession to India, Conservative MP Bob Blackman said: “Far from wanting secession, either to Pakistan or as a separate state, the vast majority of people in the state want it to remain part of India. I have a solution to the problem, which is that the Pakistani forces illegally occupying part of Kashmir should leave and unite Jammu and Kashmir as one state under the auspices of India, and then it should be decided what is to happen”.

Of ther 18 MPs who participated in the debate, two were of Indian origin: Paul Uppal (Conservative) and Virendra Sharma (Labour). The debate was secured by David Ward, Liberal Democrats MP from Bradford East, a constituency with a large minority of Pakistan origin.






J-K debate: UK upholds Modi statement on Pakistan - Hindustan Times
 
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It is truly to see two rajas from Indian subcontinent, using goras/foreigners to strengthen against the other local raja.

Same old $hit story getting repeated from centuries upon centuries upon centuries, while killing our own people.

Rajas refuse to learn.

utterly refuse.

such a shame.
 
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Summarising the history of Jammu & Kashmir’s accession to India, Conservative MP Bob Blackman said: “Far from wanting secession, either to Pakistan or as a separate state, the vast majority of people in the state want it to remain part of India. I have a solution to the problem, which is that the Pakistani forces illegally occupying part of Kashmir should leave and unite Jammu and Kashmir as one state under the auspices of India, and then it should be decided what is to happen”.
This is exactly what is written in the UN Resolution 47, Chapter VI, under which it states that in order to ensure the impartiality of the plebiscite Pakistan withdraw all tribesmen and nationals who entered the region for the purpose of fighting.

Long story short: Pakistan ignored the UN mandate, did not withdraw its troops and claimed the withdrawal of Indian forces was a prerequisite as per this resolution. Subsequently Pakistan refused to implement the plebiscite until India accedes to it and continued holding on to the portion of Kashmir under its control.
 
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Summarising the history of Jammu & Kashmir’s accession to India, Conservative MP Bob Blackman said: “Far from wanting secession, either to Pakistan or as a separate state, the vast majority of people in the state want it to remain part of India. I have a solution to the problem, which is that the Pakistani forces illegally occupying part of Kashmir should leave and unite Jammu and Kashmir as one state under the auspices of India, and then it should be decided what is to happen”.

Of ther 18 MPs who participated in the debate, two were of Indian origin: Paul Uppal (Conservative) and Virendra Sharma (Labour). The debate was secured by David Ward, Liberal Democrats MP from Bradford East, a constituency with a large minority of Pakistan origin.
J-K debate: UK upholds Modi statement on Pakistan - Hindustan Times

Despite propaganda campaign, supporting separatists, terrorism, world has realized that ill effect of Pakistan's wrong doings and more and more people/ countries are favoring India.

It seems new Govt is handling the issue effectively!! I'd not call it a victroy but a very good progress!

@nair @sancho @OrionHunter @KRAIT @levina @kurup @sreekumar @arp2041 @Android @DRAY @Robinhood Pandey @Sidak @Dillinger @
 
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This is exactly what is written in the UN Resolution 47, Chapter VI, under which it states that in order to ensure the impartiality of the plebiscite Pakistan withdraw all tribesmen and nationals who entered the region for the purpose of fighting.

Long story short: Pakistan ignored the UN mandate, did not withdraw its troops and claimed the withdrawal of Indian forces was a prerequisite as per this resolution. Subsequently Pakistan refused to implement the plebiscite until India accedes to it and continued holding on to the portion of Kashmir under its control.

Because any withdrawal has to be coordinated and mutual. Only idiots carry out unilateral withdrawal.
 
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Because any withdrawal has to be coordinated and mutual. Only idiots carry out unilateral withdrawal.
I know. But the question is, why did Pakistan agree to this and sign on the dotted line? I think you need to ask your representatives and the Pakistani government of that day.

Secondly, and importantly, why did your representatives agree to sign the resolution which was passed by the UNSC under Chapter VI of the UN Charter? Resolutions passed under Chapter VI of UN charter are considered non binding and have no mandatory enforceability as opposed to resolutions passed under Chapter VII.
 
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I know. But the question is, why did Pakistan agree to this and sign on the dotted line? I think you need to ask your representatives and the Pakistani government of that day.

Secondly, and importantly, why did your representatives agree to sign the resolution which was passed by the UNSC under Chapter VI of the UN Charter? Resolutions passed under Chapter VI of UN charter are considered non binding and have no mandatory enforceability as opposed to resolutions passed under Chapter VII.

Be serious and think out of the box.

Why the heck are you stating old articles that even Indian gov refuses to believe.

Thank you
 
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Make LOC an International border. This solution is all I can see that too in long run. Any other solution is impossible.
 
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Be serious and think out of the box.

Why the heck are you stating old articles that even Indian gov refuses to believe.

Thank you
Ok keep your part of kashmir and you can legally take back aksai chin with our support ..we will keep ours ..Though I may sound too generous considering overall view of our countrymen but this seems to be longest distance our govt can walk ..deal ?
 
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Stop worrying about what UK MP's feel or what they debate, It is issue between India and Pakistan, UK cannot do anything about it..... So they should stop discussing this in their parliament, and concentrate on their own issues.......
 
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Some times why do we give so much importance to this Brits?...they are simply nothing about US...I think it is better to entertain what Imran Khan of Pakistan is saying rather than what Brits pariliament is saying..Who cares man...For me..my neighour..may be an enemey but they value more than the culprit who created enemity between India and Pakistan..


Amidst a heated debate in the House of Commons, Britain on Thursday said it agreed with Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s recent statement that any meaningful dialogue between India and Pakistan ‘necessarily requires an environment that is free from terrorism and violence’.

The three-hour debate in Westminster Hall on the ‘political and humanitarian situation in Kashmir’ witnessed strong words as MPs mostly upheld the Indian position on Jammu and Kashmir that included highlighting the plight of Kashmiri Pandits driven out of their homeland.

As MPs highlighted continued infiltration into J-K from the across the borders, foreign office minister Tobias Ellwood recalled Modi's August 29 statement on Pakistan, and reiterated Britain's known position: “It is not for the UK to prescribe a solution or to mediate in finding one”.

This was the second debate on J-K in the House of Commons in three years.

Unlike the debate in September 2011, which evoked much concern in official Indian circles, this time the response was less evocative with no overtones of triumphalism after the debate ended, which partly reflected a globally more confident India’s reset world-view that focusses more on countries such as Russia, Japan and the United States.

Ellwood said: “The long-standing position of the UK is that it is for India and Pakistan to find a lasting resolution to the situation in Kashmir, one which takes into account…the wishes of the Kashmiri people."

Watched by a large number of people from the visitors gallery, Labour MP Barry Gardiner drew a hypothetical parallel, and said: “In exactly a week’s time, the people of Scotland will go to the polls in a referendum to decide the future of our country. The debate has been hotly contested and not without its ill temper; but imagine the outrage on both sides of that debate if the Indian Parliament, the Lok Sabha, were today debating the merits or demerits of Scottish independence and passing judgment upon what we in the United Kingdom see as a matter for us, and us alone, to decide."

To suggestions that Britain had a role to play in Jammu & Kashmir, Conservative MP Gregory Barker said: “Given Britain’s legacy in India, I have to say that I find the assumption—presumption, rather—that we somehow have a role to play slightly offensive. It smacks of neo-imperialism, it is arrogant and we should respect the extraordinary achievements of India since 1947. Britain would have a role to play only if and when our advice or assistance were sought. Clearly, in this case, it is not”.

Summarising the history of Jammu & Kashmir’s accession to India, Conservative MP Bob Blackman said: “Far from wanting secession, either to Pakistan or as a separate state, the vast majority of people in the state want it to remain part of India. I have a solution to the problem, which is that the Pakistani forces illegally occupying part of Kashmir should leave and unite Jammu and Kashmir as one state under the auspices of India, and then it should be decided what is to happen”.

Of ther 18 MPs who participated in the debate, two were of Indian origin: Paul Uppal (Conservative) and Virendra Sharma (Labour). The debate was secured by David Ward, Liberal Democrats MP from Bradford East, a constituency with a large minority of Pakistan origin.






J-K debate: UK upholds Modi statement on Pakistan - Hindustan Times
 
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Despite propaganda campaign, supporting separatists, terrorism, world has realized that ill effect of Pakistan's wrong doings and more and more people/ countries are favoring India.

It seems new Govt is handling the issue effectively!! I'd not call it a victroy but a very good progress!

@nair @sancho @OrionHunter @KRAIT @levina @kurup @sreekumar @arp2041 @Android @DRAY @Robinhood Pandey @Sidak @Dillinger @

Lol..British MP David creates all this mess for prompting House to criticising Pakistan.He held this debate for garnering Pak origin votes and now its back fire .

Fellow Indians,Honestly we can see it in another perspective.
We know how UK meddled in our affairs short after 1947.
They supported Pakistan in all cases.Chose to ignore their shortcomings .
Now UK took this U turn not because of their enlightenment.They know unlike earlier decades India almost out class UK in world stage even if we have a lot of problems.Antogonising India would backfire indeed ,since we have plenty of other options and they know that.

Just imagine if we are in same condition like we were in 1980's these UK Parliament would pass a resolution that outrightly support Pakistan.
UK is now playing a new geopolitics because World is changed a lot and also power structure.
 
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Until democratic institutions in Pakistan are strengthened and freed from sabotage, any peace talks are useless. Peace with India, and the most powerful institution in Pakistan will lose its raison d'être and its hold over the populace.
 
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Amidst a heated debate in the House of Commons, Britain on Thursday said it agreed with Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s recent statement that any meaningful dialogue between India and Pakistan ‘necessarily requires an environment that is free from terrorism and violence’.
J-K debate: UK upholds Modi statement on Pakistan - Hindustan Times

Hi,

Really----why don't you look back at the time when the british were making peace with the IRA----right in the middle of mortar attack on 10 downingstreet.

These fcukers don't want india pak to make peace because who would buy their weapons
 
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Be serious and think out of the box.

Why the heck are you stating old articles that even Indian gov refuses to believe.

Thank you
Ok, so what's your out-of-the-box thinking? Let's have it.

By your logic, does it mean that the UN resolutions being old, are defunct too? :blink:

So then why do you guys keep hollering from the rooftops every hour of the day like a cuckoo clock about India not adhering to the resolutions? :azn:
 
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