J-10 might not needed as they don't add anything to PAF's capability

[MastanKhan]

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You can put 4 DER's on the JFT and put 8 BVR's.....what's the use? You are going to get a JFT toasted in the scenario above, and waste 6 out of 8 missiles to ground. The JFT's radar can only guide two missiles at a time!!!!

Hi,

And While the SU can launch a volley of 2-4-6 missile at one target.

Till yesterday---ie 4 - 5 years ago---I used to write about how the air war has changed. The fighter pilots will be trained to avoid the WVR contact---launch from BVR and scoot.

It does not mean that they will not train for WVR---they will---but if BVR is their position of strength---why will they fight WVR---a position of weakness where everyone has an equal chance.

If the posters can look up the crash history of the F16's in the 80's---it would be no different than the J10---maybe worst---.

I remember there would be an F16 crashing into the salt lake near Hill AFB every other month or two.

Just read up the numbers on the F16 crashes---. J10 crashes are nothing compared to the F16's---whereas most of the J10 are bird ingestion.

Our current arena does not favor us in an air battle---the enemy can control the battle from a distance---.

The only option we have left is a deep strike aircraft---take the war to a new geographical area of the enemy---so that the enemy has to spread its assets---target thru the arabian sea and the enemy coastline---and then see the enemy in a panic---.

 

[Shabi1]

J-10C recently entered service with an Active AESA radar and indigenous engine with more power output. Previous version had a Passive AESA radar. From what I've read its China's equivalent to the F-16 Block-60, F-18 Super Hornet and to some extent the Su-35.

Can anyone do a comparison. Might be worth a revisit option for PAF. Previous J-10 version only had range and payload advantage towards the JF-17 and compared to the F-16 Block-52 there wasnt much operational advantage. This version could make it a worthy consideration to finally make PAF move away from further F-16s.

 

[SBD-3]

Platforms gets better as it matures but there are design limitations, J10 have much higher potential, what PAF desperately needs is a reliable strike platform which jf17 isn't. but thats my view you can disagree, goodday



Engine serviceability problem still persist that is why one of the most important thing in proposed mki upgrade is new engines.

Falcon is a mature, potent, versatile and above all war proven strike platform and PAF has a lot of them. Yes the potential for ones in our hands is limited because thanks to destroying relationships with US, we don't have the standoff weaponary. We can however, integrate our standoff weaponary on JFT. J-10, well they are a far cry until we payup our JFT loans. Of J-10 will also come on soft loans so we may not have much choice there as well.

J-10C recently entered service with an Active AESA radar and indigenous engine with more power output. Previous version had a Passive AESA radar. From what I've read its China's equivalent to the F-16 Block-60, F-18 Super Hornet and to some extent the Su-35.

Can anyone do a comparison. Might be worth a revisit option for PAF. Previous J-10 version only had range and payload advantage towards the JF-17 and compared to the F-16 Block-52 there wasnt much operational advantage. This version could make it a worthy consideration to finally make PAF move away from further F-16s.

Forget about this equivalence, J-10 will never gonna be in the class of Falcons. No one can. If PAF had her will, we would have seen our airbases crwling with F-16s and there's a good reason for that.

 

[Tipu7]

Those who are claiming that J10B/C carry AESA radar, plz mention name and specification of it?

On topic,
J10 series will not find its way in PAF due to engine issues and poor availability rate.
It add nothing credible in PAF , soon our own Jf17 blk3 will become even superior to J10B in many aspects......

 

[X-2.]

LETS HOPE

 

[Shabi1]

Those who are claiming that J10B/C carry AESA radar, plz mention name and specification of it?

On topic,
J10 series will not find its way in PAF due to engine issues and poor availability rate.
It add nothing credible in PAF , soon our own Jf17 blk3 will become even superior to J10B in many aspects......

You are right, even China didnt induct J-10B in large number because of engine issues, hence low production rate.

You can google J-10C up. J-10B Vs F-16, the F-16 is better but the J-10C seems to have ironed out its weak points. Hence worth a revisit. If PAF finally decides it really needs to get a jet other than the F-16 than J-10C seems more logical than Su-35.

JF-17 and J-10 are not rivals, in PAF prospective the J-10 is rivaled by the F-16.

http://www.china-arms.com/2016/02/rumor-j-10c-fighters-with-apar-radar-have-entered-service/
http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/search/label/J-10 Fighter Jet

 

[volatile]

J10 series will not find its way in PAF due to engine issues and poor availability rate.

I beg to differ with you based on 2 points
1. Russian/Chinese Air force and doctrine are based on SU series having similar kind
2. RD93 VS AL31 (IF PAF is happy with smokey engine whats the problem with AL31)

It will be only fair for this discussion to end logically if some one can differentiate between the two

 

[Super Falcon]

F 16 was it proven in war when we bought it. cut the crap

You have no option so you can't say J 10 is not blessed

J 10 Wins over F 16 in range payload maneuverability radar etc and fact is we need to get out of F 16 joy ride fantasy

F 35 is not proven had issues but still 8 countries buying them J 10 Has matured even F 16 had some issues in 83 but time will heal the issues

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

[QUOTE="Viper0011.,3) And the rest assured, the J-10D or the J-10S will be stealth optimized. Not stealthy like the J-20 and J-31, but stealth optimized. Which would still make this plane close to being full stealth when flying low and inside Pakistan for interception. Some Chinese member can confirm this too [/QUOTE]

It doesn't make a noticeable difference as soon as it carries external load, modern radars are powerful enough to give ample reaction time.

 

[New World]

At 3:05 video says that new Jet is J-18.

is that a reality or just a hoax..
@MastanKhan @Windjammer @ACE OF THE AIR @The Eagle @Kiss_of_the_Dragon @Beast @Blue Marlin @ChineseTiger1986 @Chinese-Dragon @Penguin @Deino @Jlaw @Zarvan @Tipu7

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

At 3:05 video says that new Jet is J-18.

fan fiction, I won't take J-18 seriously

 

[thrilainmanila]

Heres the problem fighters like the JF-17 and J-10 are like experiments. the F-16 isn't its a proven commodity. china can come out with planes that look nice but when you turn on the engine the story may not be so great. Theres a goddamn reason why China has been reverse engineering Sukhois for almost 20+ years, the J-20 might turn out like a hell of aircraft so might the J-10C but if your a customer you want a certainty that this airoplane will do the job. thats why countries would prefer western/russian equipment as it provides that reassurance. (this is the reason why the JF-17 hasn't been doing so great on the international market).
having both JF-17 and J-10 is a big risk. J-10 has yet to fielded in combat to garner how good they actually are. its only in a war time scanario you realize deficiencies in your weapons systems so its always a risk having unproven weapons systems then proven ones. In the current operations against the terrorists i sure as hell wouldnt be shocked if PAF found deficiencies which are now currently trying to be address in the form of targetting pods, loitering capabilities etc in the JF-17, this is the reason why PAF would rather go on and buy second hand F-16s rather then something Chinese. its like buying laptops or phones you'd rather go for an apple or samsung phone rather then huawei

 

[New World]

Heres the problem fighters like the JF-17 and J-10 are like experiments.

J-10 Program Started in mid-90's and it is flying in the skies from a decade and more than 300 jets are manufactured..

JF-17 Program started in mid-90's and it is flying in the Skies from last 8 years and more than 65 jets are manufactured..

LCA Program was started in 1983 and still LCA is in development phase..

which Fighter is like an experiment??

 

[thrilainmanila]

J-10 Program Started in mid-90's and it is flying in the skies from a decade and more than 300 jets are manufactured..

JF-17 Program started in mid-90's and it is flying in the Skies from last 8 years and more than 65 jets are manufactured..

LCA Program was started in 1983 and still LCA is in development phase..

which Fighter is like an experiment??

no point arguing with a joke like you lol when you cant even read the full post.

 

[Signalian]

The only option we have left is a deep strike aircraft---take the war to a new geographical area of the enemy---so that the enemy has to spread its assets---target thru the arabian sea and the enemy coastline---and then see the enemy in a panic---.

Has to be a stealth aircraft to be able to strike and come back.

J-10 has yet to fielded in combat to garner how good they actually are. its only in a war time scanario you realize deficiencies in your weapons systems so its always a risk having unproven weapons systems then proven ones. In the current operations against the terrorists i sure as hell wouldnt be shocked if PAF found deficiencies which are now currently trying to be address in the form of targetting pods, loitering capabilities etc in the JF-17, this is the reason why PAF would rather go on and buy second hand F-16s rather then something Chinese. its like buying laptops or phones you'd rather go for an apple or samsung phone rather then huawei

PAF could have put J-10 in the same test in terror ops along with JF-17 and then made it combat proven.