Italy plots ‘nuclear option’ to send migrants north

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Why build not build immigrant cities in Turkey and Africa?

It will cost them less if they build camps in Libya and it will discourage people smugglers

Perhaps a strong government in the origin of many of the launchpads?

 

[Vergennes]

Don't spread false info.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ital...end-migrants-north.506896/page-2#post-9670315

 

[XDescendantX]

so is Turkey

Turkey's cool so they don't count.

 

[wiseone2]

Source please.

https://www.iom.int/news/mediterranean-migrant-arrivals-reach-101417-2017-2353-deaths

 

[Beast]

This has to end. Unfortunately it has o become worse to get better. The refugees arent the problem. Lberal left is. We must get rid of this human right bullshit, act like men and do what must be done.

Behave like China is correct.

UK Brexit proves to be totally a correct decision. I admire the British for their foresee.

 

[zartosht]

lots of people mention Libya. But forget to mention that the western regime change engine was solely responsible for toppling Libya's government, turning one of Africa's most stable, wealthy states into another Somalia (but with oil) and murdering gadaffi.

before that, a stable Libya had an agreement (especially with Italy) to take care of potential refugees. this is absolutely karma's wrath finding these euros who are hostages to American/zionist geopolitical interests.

Nobody should feel sorry for Italy or Europe. this is just the consequences of their own actions.

And also to point out history as a context. For the last few centuries, various "western" (white countries) enslaved, colonized, looted, genocided and pretty much built their countries off exploitation of colored peoples. a practise they continue to this very day. instead of outright open colonization, today they prefer indirect colonization. less blatant methods (1 example of many: aggressively toppling any government opposed to them, and replacing them with puppets who will put western interests above their own countries',)

now those colord peoples have extremely high birthrates, and are essentially colonizing them back. History and karma have a twisted sense of humour.

at this rate. The "white race" as we know it today will become nearly extinct in a couple centuries. Its pure math. Look at the ethnic makeup of western states 100 years ago, 50 years ago, 30 years ago, 10 years ago, and today~ its like a snowball going down a snowy mountain.

 

[zen master]

lots of people mention Libya. But forget to mention that the western regime change engine was solely responsible for toppling Libya's government, turning one of Africa's most stable, wealthy states into another Somalia (but with oil) and murdering gadaffi.

before that, a stable Libya had an agreement (especially with Italy) to take care of potential refugees. this is absolutely karma's wrath finding these euros who are hostages to American/zionist geopolitical interests.

Nobody should feel sorry for Italy or Europe. this is just the consequences of their own actions.

And also to point out history as a context. For the last few centuries, various "western" (white countries) enslaved, colonized, looted, genocided and pretty much built their countries off exploitation of colored peoples. a practise they continue to this very day. instead of outright open colonization, today they prefer indirect colonization. less blatant methods (1 example of many: aggressively toppling any government opposed to them, and replacing them with puppets who will put western interests above their own countries',)

now those colord peoples have extremely high birthrates, and are essentially colonizing them back. History and karma have a twisted sense of humour.

at this rate. The "white race" as we know it today will become nearly extinct in a couple centuries. Its pure math. Look at the ethnic makeup of western states 100 years ago, 50 years ago, 30 years ago, 10 years ago, and today~ its like a snowball going down a snowy mountain.

Yep

“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN


"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
− Muammar Gaddafi, Supreme Leader of Libya


"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
− Ohmar Ahmad, co-founder of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations)


"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. "
− Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran's Supreme Leader from 1979 to 1989, the highest ranking political and religious authority of the nation


"Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
− Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran


“I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future. But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education.”
− Ibrahim Hooper, Communications Director, CAIR (Council on Armerican Islamic Relations)


“The whole of Europe will become Islamic. Like the army of the sultan we will conquer Rome.”
− Former Turkish Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan, June 2002


"Today, Rome is the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and has planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam. This capital of theirs will be an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread through Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, and even Eastern Europe."
− Yunis Al-Astal, Hamas MP and cleric


"We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it."
− Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd al-Rahman al-’Arifi, imam of the mosque of the Saudi government’s King Fahd Defence Academy



"The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions."

-- Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America," May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, U.S. vs. HLF, et al. P. 7 (21). http://www.investigativeproject.org/document/id/20



"Islam will return to Europe as a conqueror and victor, after being expelled from it twice - once from the South, from Andalusia, and a second time from the East, when it knocked several times on the door of Athens."
Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, leading Sunni cleric
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/774.htm

"It is a duty incumbent on every Muslim to struggle towards the aim of making every people Muslim and the whole world Islamic, so that the banner of Islam can flutter over the earth and the call of the Muezzin can resound in all the corners of the world: God is greatest [Allahu akbar]!"
- Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood



and now that it's actually happening, no one should be surprised by the rise of ethno nationalism in western countries. Western liberals have destroyed their own countries.

 

[AUz]

Subsaharan christians should NOT be allowed to pass over to Europe.

North African countries hold the keys to immigration to Europe. They should make sure that only oppressed people are allowed to make the journey (Syrians/Libyans etc primarily).

 

[ValerioAurelius]

lots of people mention Libya. But forget to mention that the western regime change engine was solely responsible for toppling Libya's government, turning one of Africa's most stable, wealthy states into another Somalia (but with oil) and murdering gadaffi.

before that, a stable Libya had an agreement (especially with Italy) to take care of potential refugees. this is absolutely karma's wrath finding these euros who are hostages to American/zionist geopolitical interests.

Nobody should feel sorry for Italy or Europe. this is just the consequences of their own actions.

And also to point out history as a context. For the last few centuries, various "western" (white countries) enslaved, colonized, looted, genocided and pretty much built their countries off exploitation of colored peoples. a practise they continue to this very day. instead of outright open colonization, today they prefer indirect colonization. less blatant methods (1 example of many: aggressively toppling any government opposed to them, and replacing them with puppets who will put western interests above their own countries',)

now those colord peoples have extremely high birthrates, and are essentially colonizing them back. History and karma have a twisted sense of humour.

at this rate. The "white race" as we know it today will become nearly extinct in a couple centuries. Its pure math. Look at the ethnic makeup of western states 100 years ago, 50 years ago, 30 years ago, 10 years ago, and today~ its like a snowball going down a snowy mountain.

I dont see a problem here. Sterilisation and Haplo Group GMO can solve this and cull down excess population in certain areas.

 

[Saho]

It was Italy and France's fault, they live right next to Libya so they could have stayed after the NATO intervention until the gov was established but they didn't solve the problem to control the lawless coast in the first place and left immediately allowing tribal warlords to take control of the country.

Meanwhile, USA is laughing at you guys at the top of their fort surrounded by huge seas 1000000KM away from Europe.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

It was Italy and France's fault, they live right next to Libya so they could have stayed after the NATO intervention until the gov was established but they didn't solve the problem to control the lawless coast in the first place and left immediately allowing tribal warlords to take control of the country.

Meanwhile, USA is laughing at you guys at the top of their fort surrounded by huge seas 1000000KM away from Europe.

Of course its our own fault. We allow NGo ship them in, not one would make it otherwise. The government wants it that way. They want chaos and that way legizimate harsher laws. In the end the migrants are just pawns and will be cast aside when not needed anymore

 

[AlexiusUlpius]

Hi everybody, i'm new to the forum.

Actually we (Italy) aren't that guilty for the regime change in Lybia. When France and Uk started the attack Berlusconi (prime minister at that time) was in France for an international meeting. He received a called from our defense minister saying that france warplanes where invading italian air space directed to Lybia. He didn't even get an advice. Probably our "dear allies" weren't so comfortable with our agreements with gheddafi (oil&gas and refugees), so they decided to get him out, starting another western-led mess in the Middle East-North Africa.

an important issue is that italian economy is Struggling, we just had almost 300000 italians lea ing the country last year. natives/immigrants relationship is a potentially explosive question mark at this point. Demographics is our main problem anyway, i agree.

Another point you should consider is that Nato is probably not so sympathetic to people, here. America's too many errors are sinking their popularity, but we don't have that much of a decision power in Nato counsil.

 

[PeaceGen]

Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe by exploiting a little-known Brussels directive as the country struggles to cope with a huge rise in refugees fleeing north Africa.

A minister and a senator are plotting to issue migrants with temporary EU visas in a move that has been described as a “nuclear option” for solving Italy’s refugee crisis.

Paolo Gentiloni, the prime minister, is livid that the rest of Europe has refused to take its fair share of migrants and that they have closed ports to rescue ships as the number of refugees attempting the treacherous crossing from Libya to the Continent has surged.

Mario Giro, the deputy foreign minister, and Luigi Manconi, a senator with the ruling Democratic Party, told The Times that issuing migrants with temporary visas was under discussion.

Mattia Toaldo, a senior analyst at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said: “If migrants continue to arrive and Italy decides to give them papers to cross borders and leave Italy it would be a nuclear option. Italians have lost any hope of getting help from the EU and may say, ‘If you won’t make it a common challenge, we will.’ ”

Mr Giro and others from the Democratic Party believe that Italy can exploit European Council Directive 2001/55, which was drafted after the Balkans conflict to give temporary European entry permits to a large number of displaced people.

Such a move would present an existential problem to the Schengen scheme, which allows all EU citizens to travel freely across the Continent.

It would also cause a diplomatic war with France and Austria, with whom Italy shares borders. The two countries have used dogs and the threat of armoured vehicles to push back migrants who try to enter by that route.

Mr Manconi said: “Letting migrants travel once they reach Italy would create a real problem for our EU neighbours. But I hope it would force France to confront the migrant problem head on.”

The plan would also be a sweet revenge for Rome, which has been forced by Brussels to open so-called hotspot centres to house, care for and process migrants sailing to Italy. In return, other EU states were supposed to accept a quota of migrants but they have reneged on the agreement.

More than 86,000 migrants have reached Italy this year alone — a 10 per cent increase on the same period the year before. In total the number of migrants in detention centres across Italy has reached almost 200,000 people, the country’s capacity.

“The EU wants Italy to keep migrants in hotspots for months and be a deposit for arrivals, which is unacceptable,” Mr Giro, who supports the visa plan, said.

Directive 55 was drawn up to offer EU states “exceptional” measures to offer “immediate temporary protection” in Europe to displaced people. While Mr Giro admitted that invoking it would require approval from EU members, and that opposition was likely, he said that officials were also discussing a second option last used when Silvio Berlusconi was prime minister, at the beginning of the Arab Spring.

In 2011 Italy invoked Article 20 of its so-called Bossi-Fini law that allowed it to hand temporary “humanitarian” visas to thousands of Tunisians who sailed to Italy during the Arab Spring, allowing them to go straight to France.

Mr Giro said: “We’d rather not use unilateral methods though, because the resulting dispute could wreck the Schengen treaty.”

Although the Italian government has not yet adopted the EU directive plan, any official threat to do so would echo threats made by Turkey to overwhelm Europe with migrants.

Yesterday the Italian coastguard disembarked 1,428 migrants, 100 of whom were children, at the Sicilian port of Catania. With traffickers earning at least €800 per passenger for the crossing from Libya, their takings this year alone are €68 million, helping to keep much of the Libyan economy afloat. That sum compares with the €45 million the EU has earmarked this year to help Libyan development programmes.

Italy’s border with France is already tense — both on the ground and politically. It is estimated that 13 migrants have died since September in or around Ventimiglia, some of whom were electrocuted while clinging on to trains.

This week a 23-year-old man from Gambia who had been sent back to Ventimiglia by French police after crossing into France stepped into the path of a lorry and was killed. There were suggestions that it was a deliberate act.

President Macron of France has said that most of those who travel to Italy are economic migrants rather than refugees, and he will not allow them into France.

Luigi Di Maio, the Five Star MP tipped to become Italy’s next prime minister, excoriated Mr Macron yesterday, blaming him for “the real refugee camp” now set up at Ventimiglia, which is packed with migrants removed from French streets.

“If Marine Le Pen had done that, the whole of Europe would be screaming ‘Xenophobia’,” Mr Di Maio said.

Italy’s borders with France and Austria fall within the Schengen zone, but the scheme benefits only EU citizens, allowing police to turn back migrants from outside Europe. This year the biggest group of migrants arriving in Italy comprises Nigerians, followed by Bangladeshis. A temporary EU permit supplied by Italy would allow the migrants — most of whom want to travel to northern Europe — to do so.

An EU deal struck in 2015 to distribute 160,000 migrants from Italy and Greece around Europe has been boycotted by eastern European members. Only 7,396 have been transferred from Italy, with Romania taking a mere 45.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italy-plots-nuclear-option-to-send-migrants-north-tdt0d5bzf

We're quite saturated when it comes to housing and providing work for immigrants already.
Populism is also on the rise here up North.
I can not and will not advise the EU to take in more refugees. We clearly need new cities along the SOUTHERN border of the Mediterranean sea. Make 'm the best you can please, like was shown in Dubai, but *without* using slave labor or exposing the people building these cities to lethal risks related with too much work pressure (in all it's forms)..

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Geert Wilders, it's really best you leave the diplomacy with all southern-europeans to the VVD party. Do not demonize muslims and immigrants any more than you already have. You put yourself at risk to assasination in today's political climate, that has been proven both with the pre-meditated murder on Theo Van Gogh, and the military-style murders of the Charlie Hebdo staff just a few years ago.
I can't imagine you not having received public and private death-threats about your habit of demonizing *all* muslims who live in our Netherlands and wider Europe. JUST. LET. THE. VVD.NL PARTY HANDLE THINGS FOR AT LEAST A FEW MONTHS, Geert.


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