Italy fears it will see its own 'Calais Jungle' with migrants trapped on its border with France...

[Vergennes]

@MarkusS I still don't understand why you guys pick them up off libya's coasts... why don't you just send them back ? Australia does it,why shouldn't you ? Why should you feel for able bodied single men ?

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As I see,more and more european countries are closing or putting controls at their borders. Good. @flamer84 @bobo6661
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Italy fears it will see its own 'Calais Jungle' with migrants trapped on its border with France... as Switzerland becomes latest country to struggle with influx

• Ventimiglia, on the Italy/France border, has become a migrant magnet
• Italian minister: 'Our border with France will not become another Calais'
• Many more migrants are heading through Switzerland and into Germany

Italy is determined to ensure town of Ventimiglia on its border with France does not become 'another Calais' as migrants try to find alternative routes into northern Europe.

Thousands of refugees crossing the Mediterranean from north Africa land in Italy and the majority of them are aiming to get to friends or family or black market jobs in Germany, France or the Low Countries.

As the border-free controls of Schengen gradually break down the French authorities have made it harder for migrants to flood across the frontier from Italy and at the weekend French riot police used pepper spray to stop migrants crossing.

A group of around 300 migrants at the border town of Ventimiglia, break through an Italian police cordon, and jump into the sea in an attempt to make their way into France

The Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano told La Repubblica newspaper: 'Our border with France will not become another Calais.'

There have been chaotic scenes this week at Ventimiglia, a picturesque harbour town, with hordes of migrants scrambling over rocks by the sea in an effort to make their way into France.

'The truth is that until now we have not had the problems that the British and the French have had at Calais. The system in Italy has worked well,' said Mr Alfano.

Many migrants are heading towards the Ticino region of Switzerland (pictured), which is seen as a new gateway into northern Europe


The Italian government has sent many migrants to reception centres in other parts of the country and does not want a makeshift camp being set up in Ventimiglia similar to the so-called 'Jungle' that appeared in Calais over the years.

Thousands more migrants are heading north and trying to cross into Germany - and specifically the town of Weil am Rhein - via Switzerland.

With the Balkans route via Turkey, Greece, Hungary and Austria becoming increasingly impenetrable more refugees are aiming at Switzerland.

With the Balkan route closed off more migrants are travelling by sea and heading through Italy, causing logjams at Ventimiglia and at the Swiss frontier as they head for Germany and France

Last month Swiss border guards discovered 5,760 'illegal residents' in the Ticino region, just across the Italian frontier.

One Ethiopian man in the Italian town of Como told the Daily Telegraph: 'I had a small shop in Addis Ababa but I had to flee with my wife and three children.

'In Ethiopia they throw you into prison for no reason, they confiscate land from farmers and sell it to foreigners, we could not stay. It took us months and months to get here. We are refugees, the Swiss will help us.'

But many who do get across the border into Switzerland end up heading towards Germany and the first stop is Weil am Rhein.

Kathrin Mutter, who runs the tiny police station in Weil am Rhein, told the Daily Express the numbers were becoming unmanageable.

She said: 'In May 60 applicants came to us, in June and July it was 140 each.'
The refugees often turn up in the middle of the night and try to claim asylum to the solitary officer on duty.

They often have no passport or identity papers and have to wait until the morning when fingerprints, photographs and database checks can be made.

Mrs Mutter said: 'It usually takes two hours per applicant already, partly because of the communication difficulties.'

They are then given a train ticket to the city of Karlsruhe, which has a refugee centre.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...itzerland-latest-country-struggle-influx.html
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All men....

 

[MarkusS]

@MarkusS I still don't understand why you guys pick them up off libya's coasts... why don't you just send them back ? Australia does it,why shouldn't you ? Why should you feel for able bodied single men ?

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As I see,more and more european countries are closing or putting controls at their borders. Good. @flamer84 @bobo6661
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Italy fears it will see its own 'Calais Jungle' with migrants trapped on its border with France... as Switzerland becomes latest country to struggle with influx

• Ventimiglia, on the Italy/France border, has become a migrant magnet
• Italian minister: 'Our border with France will not become another Calais'
• Many more migrants are heading through Switzerland and into Germany

Italy is determined to ensure town of Ventimiglia on its border with France does not become 'another Calais' as migrants try to find alternative routes into northern Europe.

Thousands of refugees crossing the Mediterranean from north Africa land in Italy and the majority of them are aiming to get to friends or family or black market jobs in Germany, France or the Low Countries.

As the border-free controls of Schengen gradually break down the French authorities have made it harder for migrants to flood across the frontier from Italy and at the weekend French riot police used pepper spray to stop migrants crossing.

A group of around 300 migrants at the border town of Ventimiglia, break through an Italian police cordon, and jump into the sea in an attempt to make their way into France

The Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano told La Repubblica newspaper: 'Our border with France will not become another Calais.'

There have been chaotic scenes this week at Ventimiglia, a picturesque harbour town, with hordes of migrants scrambling over rocks by the sea in an effort to make their way into France.

'The truth is that until now we have not had the problems that the British and the French have had at Calais. The system in Italy has worked well,' said Mr Alfano.

Many migrants are heading towards the Ticino region of Switzerland (pictured), which is seen as a new gateway into northern Europe


The Italian government has sent many migrants to reception centres in other parts of the country and does not want a makeshift camp being set up in Ventimiglia similar to the so-called 'Jungle' that appeared in Calais over the years.

Thousands more migrants are heading north and trying to cross into Germany - and specifically the town of Weil am Rhein - via Switzerland.

With the Balkans route via Turkey, Greece, Hungary and Austria becoming increasingly impenetrable more refugees are aiming at Switzerland.

With the Balkan route closed off more migrants are travelling by sea and heading through Italy, causing logjams at Ventimiglia and at the Swiss frontier as they head for Germany and France

Last month Swiss border guards discovered 5,760 'illegal residents' in the Ticino region, just across the Italian frontier.

One Ethiopian man in the Italian town of Como told the Daily Telegraph: 'I had a small shop in Addis Ababa but I had to flee with my wife and three children.

'In Ethiopia they throw you into prison for no reason, they confiscate land from farmers and sell it to foreigners, we could not stay. It took us months and months to get here. We are refugees, the Swiss will help us.'

But many who do get across the border into Switzerland end up heading towards Germany and the first stop is Weil am Rhein.

Kathrin Mutter, who runs the tiny police station in Weil am Rhein, told the Daily Express the numbers were becoming unmanageable.

She said: 'In May 60 applicants came to us, in June and July it was 140 each.'
The refugees often turn up in the middle of the night and try to claim asylum to the solitary officer on duty.

They often have no passport or identity papers and have to wait until the morning when fingerprints, photographs and database checks can be made.

Mrs Mutter said: 'It usually takes two hours per applicant already, partly because of the communication difficulties.'

They are then given a train ticket to the city of Karlsruhe, which has a refugee centre.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...itzerland-latest-country-struggle-influx.html
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All men....

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all this is necessary believe me. Spain is closed. Balkan is closed. So far italy could play the good samaritan because nobody stayed here they all went north. Forza Italia demands since a long time to end this farce. There is zero acceptance in the italian population for this "refugees" running wild. This means things here will escalate quickly once the border is closed and they get stored here.

Even leftist party M5S is heavily against refugees.

Austrian FM Kurz said the right thing, we must get rid of this geneva bullshit and do what must be done. Attack their boats. Sink them.

 

[Hamza913]

Austrian FM Kurz said the right thing, we must get rid of this geneva bullshit and do what must be done. Attack their boats. Sink them.

Your f*cking crazy, I sincerely hope that one day you are put in the same place as these refugees.

 

[hussain0216]

The refugees should head to Italy

If italy didn't want refugees then why attack Libya

 

[MarkusS]

Your f*cking crazy, I sincerely hope that one day you are put in the same place as these refugees.

wont happen. I come from a great country + i would never run away from my nation. They dont belong here. They cant stay here.

 

[MarkusS]

I hope it does happen, who want to shoot refugees on sight deserve it.

1. i dont want they shot them. i say push their boats back. When they see no chance left they give up anyways.

2. you live in qatar, how many refugees has qatar allowed in? let me help you: 0. Its busy funding ISIS. So why dont you go out on the street and shout loud that those bastard leaders of quatar deserve to be shot?

 

[Hamza913]

1. i dont want they shot them. i say push their boats back. When they see no chance left they give up anyways.

2. you live in qatar, how many refugees has qatar allowed in? let me help you: 0. Its busy funding ISIS. So why dont you go out on the street and shout loud that those bastard leaders of quatar deserve to be shot?

1. You just said to shoot their boats, stop lying.

2. Qatar has let in refugees, over 40,000 in fact. Also, why would they fund ISIS and be bombing them at the same time? Seems counter productive don't you think?

 

[Nilgiri]

Qatar has let in refugees, over 40,000 in fact.

http://gulfmigration.eu/media/pubs/exno/GLMM_EN_2015_11.pdf

Qatar In January 2013, Qatar received the first batch of 42 Syrian refugees from Lebanon. The refugees included widows and families and were received as special guests of the Emir. They were already being assisted by Qatar while in Lebanon and would be fully provided for once they arrived in the country.42 Qatar is one of the most vocal critics of President Bashar Al-Assad. The country donated millions of dollars in humanitarian aid for refugees and is reportedly arming rebel forces in Syria.43 Therefore, some Syrian families found a shelter in Doha. However, due to security concerns, Qatar limited business, work and visitor visas for Syrians during the war. Moreover, no support programmes are available to assist the “refugees”.

According to an article in the Doha News, “Qatar has[…] allowed Syrians who were already sponsored and working here to bring in their relatives. However, these applications are approved on a case-by-case basis and can take months to process, as embassy and government officials investigate whether the applicant poses a security risk, among other factors. Once in Qatar, the Syrians are granted a visitor visa that can be renewed inside the country for QR200, exempting them from leaving Qatar and coming back, as many other longterm “visitors” must do, embassy officials said. This appears to be a change from 2013, when many visitors reported having to go off the grid once their visitor visas expired. […] However, the inability to work on a visitor visa means many Syrians in Qatar face financial hardships, due to the high cost of living. Last year, representatives of the Syrian embassy in Qatar,[said] there are more than 40,000 Syrian expats living here with residency permits. The number of Syrians on visitor visas is more than 20,000, including men, women and children.”44

The claim is unverifiable due to lack of relevant and reliable statistics.

In any case, their parents’ situation also has unfortunate consequences for Syrian children. As Qatar’s Supreme Education Council (Ministry of Education) forbids students without residency permits from attending schools in Qatar, Syrian children on temporary visas cannot enrol there; the Syrian School in Doha is more lenient as regards residency situation but cannot accommodate all applications.4

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[Hamza913]

http://gulfmigration.eu/media/pubs/exno/GLMM_EN_2015_11.pdf

Qatar In January 2013, Qatar received the first batch of 42 Syrian refugees from Lebanon. The refugees included widows and families and were received as special guests of the Emir. They were already being assisted by Qatar while in Lebanon and would be fully provided for once they arrived in the country.42 Qatar is one of the most vocal critics of President Bashar Al-Assad. The country donated millions of dollars in humanitarian aid for refugees and is reportedly arming rebel forces in Syria.43 Therefore, some Syrian families found a shelter in Doha. However, due to security concerns, Qatar limited business, work and visitor visas for Syrians during the war. Moreover, no support programmes are available to assist the “refugees”.

According to an article in the Doha News, “Qatar has[…] allowed Syrians who were already sponsored and working here to bring in their relatives. However, these applications are approved on a case-by-case basis and can take months to process, as embassy and government officials investigate whether the applicant poses a security risk, among other factors. Once in Qatar, the Syrians are granted a visitor visa that can be renewed inside the country for QR200, exempting them from leaving Qatar and coming back, as many other longterm “visitors” must do, embassy officials said. This appears to be a change from 2013, when many visitors reported having to go off the grid once their visitor visas expired. […] However, the inability to work on a visitor visa means many Syrians in Qatar face financial hardships, due to the high cost of living. Last year, representatives of the Syrian embassy in Qatar,[said] there are more than 40,000 Syrian expats living here with residency permits. The number of Syrians on visitor visas is more than 20,000, including men, women and children.”44

The claim is unverifiable due to lack of relevant and reliable statistics.

In any case, their parents’ situation also has unfortunate consequences for Syrian children. As Qatar’s Supreme Education Council (Ministry of Education) forbids students without residency permits from attending schools in Qatar, Syrian children on temporary visas cannot enrol there; the Syrian School in Doha is more lenient as regards residency situation but cannot accommodate all applications.4

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If the Syrian embassy says 40,000 Syrians are here, then I believe them. Yes they could be treated better, but it's still a good thing that Qatar has let so many of them in.

 

[MarkusS]

1. You just said to shoot their boats, stop lying.

2. Qatar has let in refugees, over 40,000 in fact. Also, why would they fund ISIS and be bombing them at the same time? Seems counter productive don't you think?

Qatar is one of the most pathetic terror sponsors in the world. And 40.000? You kidding me? It could take one million. Open the palace of those decadent leaders. More than enough place there.

 

[Nilgiri]

If the Syrian embassy says 40,000 Syrians are here, then I believe them. Yes they could be treated better, but it's still a good thing that Qatar has let so many of them in.

Fair enough.

But gulf countries are definitely not keen in hosting their fair share of Syrian refugees compared to places like Turkey and Lebanon....given these same gulf countries were instrumental in getting the anti-Assad factions going...and also given the amount of money they have plus the number of expats (often outnumbering their own populations) that they employ with no reservations....and the cultural bond they share with Syrians through Islam compared to say Europe.

In the end they seem to know better than the Europeans to take reckless numbers of refugees. Thats the sad truth of the matter.

 

[Hamza913]

Qatar is one of the most pathetic terror sponsors in the world. And 40.000? You kidding me? It could take one million. Open the palace of those decadent leaders. More than enough place there.

Qatar already has 2 million people here, taking in 1 million refugees is half the current population and 25% of the refugees, that most certainly is not fair. Why doesn't Italy do it? You could probably support all 5 million refugees if you tried.

As for Qatar being a terrorist sponsor, that's a contradictory statement as Qatar is taking action against terrorist groups as well. So Qatar is highly unlikely to be a terror sponsor.

Fair enough.

But gulf countries are definitely not keen in hosting their fair share of Syrian refugees compared to places like Turkey and Lebanon....given these same gulf countries were instrumental in getting the anti-Assad factions going...and also given the amount of money they have plus the number of expats (often outnumbering their own populations) that they employ with no reservations....and the cultural bond they share with Syrians through Islam compared to say Europe.

In the end they seem to know better than the Europeans to take reckless numbers of refugees. Thats the sad truth of the matter.

To be fair, NATO was just as instrumental as these Gulf countries were in starting the Syrian civil war and supporting the militants there. So they should take in refugees as well, but as you said the Arab nations are aware of the risks and know the more liberal countries in NATO will just ignore the risks.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I don't agree with the tone and the methods being advocated by His Highness Markus but something has to be done about the migrants. I am son of migrants myself but everyday I walk in my local park I notice increasing number of migrants. This is no good. The previous wave has not even integrated and we are getting ev en more waves from all sort of places. This can't be good for the future. I have kids and their future to think of. I am glad UK voted to leave EU. That should make it even harder to get to UK. In a sense those landing in Italy are a threat to UK as well because some will head north.

However a holistic solution has to be found - shooting people or sinking boats is not the way forward. @MarkusS you make poor case for solving the problem. You use this problem to highlight your greatness (what?) then brag about not leaving the "great country". You should know that millions, I mean millions of Italians left as migrants going to North America. New York is swamped with them.

And Italy did not support the attack against Gaddafi, in fact it was to the contrary. Gaddafi was great mate of Berlusconi. Also KSA, Qatar or UAE are not by a mile "migrant friendly". Those examples cited of Syrians is incorrect. That is like people from Southern Punjab moving to Northern Punjab or Southern Italians moving to North Italy. Syrians are Arabs. Qatari are Arabs. I would like to see if Qatar will let in 1,000 Ethopians.

 

[bsruzm]

Italians panic; Turkey's rejection of the agreement on migrant "RUINOUS" for Europe
More dangerous than Brexit: Italy's economic crisis

I like it.

 

[MarkusS]

Qatar already has 2 million people here, taking in 1 million refugees is half the current population and 25% of the refugees, that most certainly is not fair. Why doesn't Italy do it? You could probably support all 5 million refugees if you tried.

As for Qatar being a terrorist sponsor, that's a contradictory statement as Qatar is taking action against terrorist groups as well. So Qatar is highly unlikely to be a terror sponsor.



To be fair, NATO was just as instrumental as these Gulf countries were in starting the Syrian civil war and supporting the militants there. So they should take in refugees as well, but as you said the Arab nations are aware of the risks and know the more liberal countries in NATO will just ignore the risks.

We are a christian nation. We care for christian refugees. All others can go away. If tables were turned we would not get help from anyone of that region.