Italian envoy cannot leave India

[JanjaWeed]

Never mind... what's the big deal? He can stay in India forever. Afterall we make a pretty good host for the Italians!

 

[IndoUS]

He can stay in India as long as he want, plus he would go pretty far if he stayed here rather than returning to Italy, maybe in the next two years he might even get a chance to become President or the Prime Minister. Just look at the last Italian that stayed, the opportunities are so great here.

 

[mehboobkz]

One more addition to 10 Janpath.
Italian clan growing.
Lol

 

[acid rain]

^^

You guys are hilarious.

Italian ambassador = bin byahi bahu.

 

[armchairPrivate]

Italian envoy cannot leave India.

But he can go to the bathroom, I hope.

 

[anonymus]

lets forget about human rights here as this is between India and Italy and has more than human side.

i am asking again what options India can try?

for how long you will held Italian envoy ?

if that doesnt work what will be Indian next step ?

This is an example of yellow journalism of Indian media.

In Indian law,if the person jumps bail,the person who had stood surety does is not liable for criminal prosecution unless he is found to be have knowledge of intent of the criminal in which case he could be held in contempt of court.

The ambassador provided sovereign guarantees which meant he was just a conduit of guarantees provided by state of Italy.He personally could not be held responsible and is protected by Vienna convention.Media is mistaking "Not Expelling" with detaining.

i know its now a DIPLOMATIC ROW.

thats why questioning what will follow next



oh come on you are making mountain out of mole.

Its India's own decision and you know the reason.

if India doesnt send a Muslim envoy even then Saudia will accept it

Nah,

Countries have exclusive right whether to accept a diplomat or not.If Saudi says that they want 7'11'' men with blond hairs,India would have to fulfill that condition according to international laws.But i am skeptical as to whether Saudi had imposed such a condition.It seems GoI wanted to suck upto them rather than them demanding it.

Precisely what I retorted, Economically important this country is not, tiny winy Dubai does more trade with India than Italy.

Incorrect comparision,

Dubai figures (so as singapore) figures are high because it act as transit for Indian goods to many countries.Our export to dubai is abysmal.Most of the export figure is just of tras-shipment figures for Dubai.

 

[mehboobkz]

Incorrect comparision,

Dubai figures (so as singapore) figures are high because it act as transit for Indian goods to many countries.Our export to dubai is abysmal.Most of the export figure is just of tras-shipment figures for Dubai.

As long as bill of lading or airway bill has Dubai as its destination, thats it.
That way India ended up exporting only to Dubai. After that, what Dubai does is their business.
Letter of credit from Dubai got honoured, Indian exporters received their payment. Official Indian export Gazette shows Dubai exports. This is all that counts officially.
It is none of Indian snooping business as to what happened to Indian cargo after Dubai. Unless its sensitive material, or Arms, or sanction prone material.

Any re-exports will go into Dubai export books.

 

[Mritunjaya]

LOL ...this is all Nautanki by congress ......

1. Foreign diplomats does not come under the jurisdiction of Indian courts. If this basic fundamental is know to people in PDF .....did our Muslim chief justice of Supreme Court who granted the bail to the Italians not know that ?

2. India cannot ever prevent the Italian diplomat from leaving the country.

3. If we do so, all our diplomats in other countries can be arrested too and summened to their local courts.....this will open pandora's box............this is know to anybody with half a brain. Certainly know to the congress

.........More Nautanki for the gullible Indian public ...........congress is really CONgress

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

LOL ...this is all Nautanki by congress ......

1. Foreign diplomats does not come under the jurisdiction of Indian courts. If this basic fundamental is know to people in PDF .....did our Muslim chief justice of Supreme Court who granted the bail to the Italians not know that ?

2. India cannot ever prevent the Italian diplomat from leaving the country.

3. If we do so, all our diplomats in other countries can be arrested too and summened to their local courts.....this will open pandora's box............this is know to anybody with half a brain. Certainly know to the congress

.........More Nautanki for the gullible Indian public ...........congress is really CONgress

if you ask Subramanian Swamy he will say " diplomatic immunity means the the immunity against dragging him to the local court,law procedure in foreign country but now that he voluntarily submitted and committed himself to the Indian judiciary and law by guaranteeing the return of the marines to India, he no longer enjoys diplomatic immunity"

 

[Mritunjaya]

if you ask Subramanian Swamy he will say " diplomatic immunity means the the immunity against dragging him to the local court,law procedure in foreign country but now that he voluntarily submitted and committed himself to the Indian judiciary and law by guaranteeing the return of the marines to India, he no longer enjoys diplomatic immunity"

That is only for argument sake. ....... if the diplomat says he provided that affidavit on the instructions of the Government of Italy then immunity is guaranteed. Diplomat can say he wanted the marines to come back but Govt. of Italy is not allowing them. He cannot be held accountable for the actions of his govt. He is just a postman.

 

[shuttler]

This is a two way affair mate, Augusta westland deal also involves some key persons in Italy .

It depends on whose political stance is more shaky. Augusta westland can fire a couple of managers but can the indian politicians withstand the onslaught of the exposure?

It is Supreme court that is dealing with the marine case and so the court has the authority here.

does the indian government have sufficient evidence to prove the incident occur in indian waters?

 

[anonymus]

if you ask Subramanian Swamy he will say " diplomatic immunity means the the immunity against dragging him to the local court,law procedure in foreign country but now that he voluntarily submitted and committed himself to the Indian judiciary and law by guaranteeing the return of the marines to India, he no longer enjoys diplomatic immunity"

Wishful thinking,

Looks like spending lot of time as a court lawyer has got to the head of S.Swami.Half-assed argument would not stand the scrutiny of any unbaised court.

Guarantees provided in Vienna convention are absolute and binding for signatory.Asking Ambassador to stand surety was stupid on part of SC.But then it is said that Indians are a demography most susceptible to flattery.

http://www.ediplomat.com/nd/diplomatic_immunity.htm

It depends on whose political stance is more shaky. Augusta westland can fire a couple of managers but can the indian politicians withstand the onslaught of the exposure?



does the indian government has sufficient evidence to prove the incident occur in indian waters?

Incident occurred in contiguous zone rather than territorial waters thus it belonged to grey areas as a country has limited but appreciable sovereignty in contiguous zone.

 

[danger007]

No. That's because we don't worship whites like your country. The west knows we don't kow tow to them, this we are considered a threat to their colonialism.

This crisis proves what a weak and meek country India is. Your country is ruled by a white woman, now that's embarrassing.

That white women is a wife of most powerful leader In India.... embarrassing for what? like how the Jap mess with chinese.... get a life before commenting on my country... I don't give **** to any B$-ds who try to insult my country... those who ever try to insult my country.... or those why try to show superiority they are my foot ....


Disgusting people coming around... lol first look at their own ....

 

[anonymus]

That is only for argument sake. ....... if the diplomat says he provided that affidavit on the instructions of the Government of Italy then immunity is guaranteed. Diplomat can say he wanted the marines to come back but Govt. of Italy is not allowing them. He cannot be held accountable for the actions of his govt. He is just a postman.

Actually irrespective of the undertaking he has given,he could simply ask SC to stuff the undertaking up their a$se$


Legally a diplomat could not even be subpoenaed by court.Court could not even force him to give an statement.

 

[shuttler]

Wishful thinking,

Incident occurred in contiguous zone rather than territorial waters thus it belonged to grey areas as a country has limited but appreciable sovereignty in contiguous zone.

So the italian's claim of "international" waters cannot be 100% ruled out.

I think of the following options:

1. the indian SC can open the trial of the marines in absentia who'll have full rights to appoint their counsels of course.
2. in international court, first to determine the "crime" site; then to which court that the case be tried as a result

in either case, the italians, if convicted, will serve time in italy!