It Is The WMD Moment Once Again For The USA:---

[Naram_Sin]

Hi,

Welcome to the forum and thank you for your presence---.

Till yesterday---china was the apple of the eye---today it is fast becoming a pariah state both for the US and for europe as well.

Currently Germany Italy & Spain have gone against china---sooner other nations will join in---.

So some european countries on one side---the US on the other side---legal demand---cases started against china in their local Kangaroo courts with judges on their sides passing out dangerous unprecedented judgements against china---it could get horrific---very quick---very fast---.

I thank you for your kind words,

While the pandemic could be a mere coincidence, the chance exists that this is all part of a plan, a nation state must always prepare for the worse.

Things can indeed get horrific if China chooses to make a stand, I am just not confident that China has the expertise (not capacity) to handle this.

I absolutely do not intend to insult anyone but I tend to view the Chinese more like honeybees, coordinated, positive producers, good builders and though they vastly outnumber wasps... we all know how their encounters end.

 

[Han Patriot]

I thank you for your kind words,

While the pandemic could be a mere coincidence, the chance exists that this is all part of a plan, a nation state must always prepare for the worse.

Things can indeed get horrific if China chooses to make a stand, I am just not confident that China has the expertise (not capacity) to handle this.

I absolutely do not intend to insult anyone but I tend to view the Chinese more like honeybees, coordinated, positive producers, good builders and though they vastly outnumber wasps... we all know how their encounters end.

The problem is these honeybees have nukes and stealth fighters and asat weapons. Lol

 

[Viva_Viet]

The problem is these honeybees have nukes and stealth fighters and asat weapons. Lol

Just slap hard sanction on CN ( at least 30% tariff to all made in CN products) and CN will fall into chaos and civil war in abt 2 or years .

There r too many angry-jobless ppl in CN now, they even murderred the doctors during Wuhan lockdown to show hate to the Govt

I thank you for your kind words,

While the pandemic could be a mere coincidence, the chance exists that this is all part of a plan, a nation state must always prepare for the worse.

Things can indeed get horrific if China chooses to make a stand, I am just not confident that China has the expertise (not capacity) to handle this.

I absolutely do not intend to insult anyone but I tend to view the Chinese more like honeybees, coordinated, positive producers, good builders and though they vastly outnumber wasps... we all know how their encounters end.

Without US-Jap's help and support in 1978 against Vietnam-Soviet's alliance, CN would still be a third world nation wt GDP per capital merely is 300 usd per year.

US still worry abt VN-Russia's alliance, thats why she still not slap hard tariff to CN now...but who knows when the damage from Corona virus is too high for US to bear...a hard punishment to CN is a must to save US from chaos.

 

[Han Patriot]

Just slap hard sanction on CN ( at least 30% tariff to all made in CN products) and CN will fall into chaos and civil war in abt 2 or years .

There r too many angry-jobless ppl in CN now, they even murderred the doctors during Wuhan lockdown to show hate to the Govt


Without US-Jap's help and support in 1978 against Vietnam-Soviet's alliance, CN would still be a third world nation wt GDP per capital merely is 300 usd per year.

US still worry abt VN-Russia's alliance, thats why she still not slap hard tariff to CN now...but who knows when the damage from Corona virus is too high for US to bear...a hard punishment to CN is a must to save US from chaos.

It would be true if we are Vietnam but you tend to forget the largest consumer market in earth is China. The factories in China don't just export, they also sell to Chinese. If you are an American manufacturer, what do you think is in your mind now? We are using Asean countries to bypass tariffs, components are imported to Vietnam Cambodia Malaysia Thailand, assembled and reexported. Will there be job losses? Of course, the economy will restructure. You are forgetting US just printed 6 tril in paper, who do you think can fulfil the real goods to back these 6 trillions? Vietnam? Dude you are a puny country, you need to install 10x the power, make 10x the roads and ports just to absorb this capacity. You don't even have enough skilled manpower to work. We are exploiting you just like the other Chinese diaspora, you think the Taiwanese, HKies, Singaporeans take you as equals?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Hi,

It is about time for another blame game---. Last time the world saw middle east decimated by that little vial of a glass tube that Gen Collin Powell waved in the UN assembly forum---.

This time it would be Pres. Trump waving a tube that is supposedly of COVID 19 made in Wuhan China---.

The stage is being prepped and setup for the disclosure and the proof is being gathered by any mean possible---.

The US has fixated its sights on china---. Virus has created devastation in the USA as it has in many other nations---.

The world is being readied for another conflict---. Supposed proof is being gathered and will be put together in way that all fingers would be pointing towards Wuhan---.

Terrible times ahead for the world---.

Calm Down Sir. No war is coming between China and USA

The problem is that this is election year and Mr Tump looks like he maybe losing this election.

He will easily eat Biden

 

[Mentee]

@MastanKhan O yara MK.... good timing for the thread... good discussion going on here... here is my input!

Hybridwar 3.0 is in full swing...and so far China has been reactive... I wouldn't say overwhelmed but reactive nevertheless.

Clinton second term speeches to Bush Jr. declaring in clear terms China to be Strategic Competitor...to Obama acting tough and his Asia Pivot ...bascially Hillary...and more basically Deepstate USA.

HongKong protests given so much coverage that the sky was falling down..nonstop... that was/is a very successful Hybridwar Attack. 10/10.

Freedom of Navigation Patrols... Concert of Democracies.. IndoPacificOceanRegion.... and more...

2008 Financial Crisis.....China, actually, played a very positive and supporting role for the US... of course, self interest was involved too... but it did.

All those attempts to create Pacific Prosperity Partnerships excluding China... and then there is ASEAN ... the most productive region economically ...with enormus potential to grow... which the CominedWest led by the US wants to grow.... but excluding China... at least that is the thought process and dowtailing actions or attempts.

ASEAN and China are rather deeply intertwined so separation is not that walk in the park!

Trump's TwitterTradeWar didn't bring jobs to America but did help the Treasury and US exporters...

While the US was busy searching WMDs and playing hide and seek with Taliban in Kabulistan... China built the Islands in South China Sea... developed its Naval and Air Assets and Capabilities...strengthened its hold on Nine Dash Line...

In the same time frame China did climb the Critical Technology Curve and also the ValueChain of Production... it upgraded its Industrial Base...

BRI was/is more than just Infrastructre projects.... if you recall the US allies from Europe did join the AIIB over the strong US reaction...

Please, see that my view is that of a BemusedObserver... not pro US or pro China... this helps me to understand the situation better.

I believe it would be plain wrong to assume that the US is alone in trying to ContainChina or clip its wings... the CombinedWest is trying to do so...under the US flag...

It is about the System!

The Wealth, Privilge and Power that the CombinedWest has enjoyed for past 200 years and post SecondWorldWar is unparalled in History. Almost Total Power.

Now the question is: Who will freely give away such Power and become less privilged?

No one will!

The US has one simple/clear National Policy: No regional power that can challenge the US anywhere.

EuropeanUnion is the US project and so is Euro... this has helped the US keep Russia practically out of Europe...

China with its landmass, population and upgraded Industrial Base is a huge Challenge to the CombinedWest and its System.

So far, China has played along with the CombinedWest and worked within the System to its great benefit.... it was/is No Free Lunch... since, the Chinese worked for it... enabling the CombinedWest to enjoy good life!

Frankly, it was/is a Win-Win Deal.

China built world class infrastructure, got 700mln out of poverty, became world's biggest creditor..built/modernised its vast industrial based.... gained in Science and Technology and now competing with the CombinedWest in KeyTechnologies and spending vast amounts of money for Industry 3.0 ... Artificial Intelligence the driver.

This has created the Biggest Challenge for the CombinedWest led by the US.... unlike the USSR... which was a hollow Giant eating gurkings behind the IronWall!

The Way I see it... the CombinedWest wants China to keep supporting the System and not asking for either New Financial Architecture or New Industry Standards or be challenging in any shape or form...

However, China sees itself as Civilisational State and the Middle Kingdom...and wishes to have equal say to its weight in the Order of Things... in other words, China wishes to shape the world around it in a manner that benefits its National Interests... logical from the Chinese Perspective...but dangerous for the System.

Weaponised Fiannce is now confronting China... and it doesn't have that leverage yet to deal with it...since Yuan is not globalised... so it cann't live in a Parallel Universe other than the one created by the CombinedWest!

Now whether this Corona is Vegence of Nature or Man's Dark Folly.... it is making rounds... it has exposed the CombinedWest's unpreparedness and the loss of life is immense...so is the trauma... so ..someone needs to be blamed/framed.... typical politicoz - It-wasn't-me ....

For now I believe the MediaCreated rhetoric is a pressure tool for China to accept the terms of the CombinedWest and just be.... we must see Freedom of Navigation Patrols as Negotiation Tactics.

Also, some manufacturing will move out of China in order to create more leverage against China...most likey to ASEAN and some to India.. Mexico can benefit too...

This process might take a couple of years or more...but how effective will it be is anyone's guess.... because China is the Second Biggest Economy and 1.4Bln consumer base....

This brings us to the OilWar... which needs to be seen in totality.... Shale going belly up is short term thing... because it gives the US energy independence...so it will bounce back sooner or later...but for that the Oil needs to be $70 per barrel....

Where does China import its oil from?

What if all those Oil producing countries get marred into conflict or the supply of oil becomes precarious?

Hybridwar 3.0

I cann't see the CombinedWest going to DirectWar with China... neither will China....but from now on it is high gears in the Hybridwar.

The US plans to create India as a counter to China.... Will China prop up Pakistan against India?

In any case Russia is to benefit from all this .... in the short term that is!

If, I may simplify it.... we are now seeing the Struggle for the World Order i.e. The System trying keep its privilige!

And why not!

It is in the Nature of Power to try everything to remain potent...

The World Power Architecture is now in flux...and it is not going to be easy by either side to Play by the Rules...

Ripe tomato falls and splashes on the floor... one can see the seeds... organic ones do smell nice!

Mangus


@SIPRA @Mentee @Ace of Spades @masterchief_mirza @Shotgunner51 @N.Siddiqui @StormBreaker @Blacklight @Signalian @Horus @Irfan Baloch @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Slav Defence @WebMaster @RescueRanger @dbc @Deino @PanzerKiel

I've started to see trumps America adopting the indo pak model of hostilities. Chinese don't seem to ride the waves this way but this is getting practical every passing day. As both have an urge to survive so in the worst case scenario some forward bases and ships will be considered expandable by the cow Boys due to political reasons as long as America finally ages - - - - - - - - - - China needs to quickly adapt to intense shock and awe in confined regions, like China sea and Indian Ocean. 27th February is the mile stone here.

@MastanKhan

 

[rott]

I think now would be an opportune time for our Babus to pull thier pants up, and draw a Pro-Pakistan strategy. Both on the Economic and Military front. Get something actually tangible from both sides.

3 pages, and people have yet to realize how do you play from a point of advantage. Lets see how members display their out of box thinking.

May I?
I think the 2 priorities for Pakistan is -
1. Industrialization.
2. Infrastructure.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

@MastanKhan O yara MK.... good timing for the thread... good discussion going on here... here is my input!

Hybridwar 3.0 is in full swing...and so far China has been reactive... I wouldn't say overwhelmed but reactive nevertheless.

Clinton second term speeches to Bush Jr. declaring in clear terms China to be Strategic Competitor...to Obama acting tough and his Asia Pivot ...bascially Hillary...and more basically Deepstate USA.

HongKong protests given so much coverage that the sky was falling down..nonstop... that was/is a very successful Hybridwar Attack. 10/10.

Freedom of Navigation Patrols... Concert of Democracies.. IndoPacificOceanRegion.... and more...

2008 Financial Crisis.....China, actually, played a very positive and supporting role for the US... of course, self interest was involved too... but it did.

All those attempts to create Pacific Prosperity Partnerships excluding China... and then there is ASEAN ... the most productive region economically ...with enormus potential to grow... which the CominedWest led by the US wants to grow.... but excluding China... at least that is the thought process and dowtailing actions or attempts.

ASEAN and China are rather deeply intertwined so separation is not that walk in the park!

Trump's TwitterTradeWar didn't bring jobs to America but did help the Treasury and US exporters...

While the US was busy searching WMDs and playing hide and seek with Taliban in Kabulistan... China built the Islands in South China Sea... developed its Naval and Air Assets and Capabilities...strengthened its hold on Nine Dash Line...

In the same time frame China did climb the Critical Technology Curve and also the ValueChain of Production... it upgraded its Industrial Base...

BRI was/is more than just Infrastructre projects.... if you recall the US allies from Europe did join the AIIB over the strong US reaction...

Please, see that my view is that of a BemusedObserver... not pro US or pro China... this helps me to understand the situation better.

I believe it would be plain wrong to assume that the US is alone in trying to ContainChina or clip its wings... the CombinedWest is trying to do so...under the US flag...

It is about the System!

The Wealth, Privilge and Power that the CombinedWest has enjoyed for past 200 years and post SecondWorldWar is unparalled in History. Almost Total Power.

Now the question is: Who will freely give away such Power and become less privilged?

No one will!

The US has one simple/clear National Policy: No regional power that can challenge the US anywhere.

EuropeanUnion is the US project and so is Euro... this has helped the US keep Russia practically out of Europe...

China with its landmass, population and upgraded Industrial Base is a huge Challenge to the CombinedWest and its System.

So far, China has played along with the CombinedWest and worked within the System to its great benefit.... it was/is No Free Lunch... since, the Chinese worked for it... enabling the CombinedWest to enjoy good life!

Frankly, it was/is a Win-Win Deal.

China built world class infrastructure, got 700mln out of poverty, became world's biggest creditor..built/modernised its vast industrial based.... gained in Science and Technology and now competing with the CombinedWest in KeyTechnologies and spending vast amounts of money for Industry 3.0 ... Artificial Intelligence the driver.

This has created the Biggest Challenge for the CombinedWest led by the US.... unlike the USSR... which was a hollow Giant eating gurkings behind the IronWall!

The Way I see it... the CombinedWest wants China to keep supporting the System and not asking for either New Financial Architecture or New Industry Standards or be challenging in any shape or form...

However, China sees itself as Civilisational State and the Middle Kingdom...and wishes to have equal say to its weight in the Order of Things... in other words, China wishes to shape the world around it in a manner that benefits its National Interests... logical from the Chinese Perspective...but dangerous for the System.

Weaponised Fiannce is now confronting China... and it doesn't have that leverage yet to deal with it...since Yuan is not globalised... so it cann't live in a Parallel Universe other than the one created by the CombinedWest!

Now whether this Corona is Vegence of Nature or Man's Dark Folly.... it is making rounds... it has exposed the CombinedWest's unpreparedness and the loss of life is immense...so is the trauma... so ..someone needs to be blamed/framed.... typical politicoz - It-wasn't-me ....

For now I believe the MediaCreated rhetoric is a pressure tool for China to accept the terms of the CombinedWest and just be.... we must see Freedom of Navigation Patrols as Negotiation Tactics.

Also, some manufacturing will move out of China in order to create more leverage against China...most likey to ASEAN and some to India.. Mexico can benefit too...

This process might take a couple of years or more...but how effective will it be is anyone's guess.... because China is the Second Biggest Economy and 1.4Bln consumer base....

This brings us to the OilWar... which needs to be seen in totality.... Shale going belly up is short term thing... because it gives the US energy independence...so it will bounce back sooner or later...but for that the Oil needs to be $70 per barrel....

Where does China import its oil from?

What if all those Oil producing countries get marred into conflict or the supply of oil becomes precarious?

Hybridwar 3.0

I cann't see the CombinedWest going to DirectWar with China... neither will China....but from now on it is high gears in the Hybridwar.

The US plans to create India as a counter to China.... Will China prop up Pakistan against India?

In any case Russia is to benefit from all this .... in the short term that is!

If, I may simplify it.... we are now seeing the Struggle for the World Order i.e. The System trying keep its privilige!

And why not!

It is in the Nature of Power to try everything to remain potent...

The World Power Architecture is now in flux...and it is not going to be easy by either side to Play by the Rules...

Ripe tomato falls and splashes on the floor... one can see the seeds... organic ones do smell nice!

Mangus


@SIPRA @Mentee @Ace of Spades @masterchief_mirza @Shotgunner51 @N.Siddiqui @StormBreaker @Blacklight @Signalian @Horus @Irfan Baloch @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Slav Defence @WebMaster @RescueRanger @dbc @Deino @PanzerKiel

I think one eventuality that most are overlooking is possibility of world economy fizzling out... it has an outside but real chance because keeping what were the production levels to keep the engines running may not be possible again... well not in the short term and herein lies the problem... all that paper!

Therein lies another issue which can compel the ardent one for a war, one of necessity. War can start factories churning again and to victor go .....

 

[Viva_Viet]

It would be true if we are Vietnam but you tend to forget the largest consumer market in earth is China. The factories in China don't just export, they also sell to Chinese. If you are an American manufacturer, what do you think is in your mind now? We are using Asean countries to bypass tariffs, components are imported to Vietnam Cambodia Malaysia Thailand, assembled and reexported. Will there be job losses? Of course, the economy will restructure. You are forgetting US just printed 6 tril in paper, who do you think can fulfil the real goods to back these 6 trillions? Vietnam? Dude you are a puny country, you need to install 10x the power, make 10x the roads and ports just to absorb this capacity. You don't even have enough skilled manpower to work. We are exploiting you just like the other Chinese diaspora, you think the Taiwanese, HKies, Singaporeans take you as equals?

Its just the matter of time before US declining to become regional power only, unless u think CN market alone still can help US remain Global power.

When US decline tobe just regional power, then CN will defeat her like Mongol empire. U think US is as stupid as Mongol and make the same mistake ?? Do u understand Why Obama propose TPP deal to take CN down ??

 

[Menthol]

@MastanKhan O yara MK.... good timing for the thread... good discussion going on here... here is my input!

Hybridwar 3.0 is in full swing...and so far China has been reactive... I wouldn't say overwhelmed but reactive nevertheless.

Clinton second term speeches to Bush Jr. declaring in clear terms China to be Strategic Competitor...to Obama acting tough and his Asia Pivot ...bascially Hillary...and more basically Deepstate USA.

HongKong protests given so much coverage that the sky was falling down..nonstop... that was/is a very successful Hybridwar Attack. 10/10.

Freedom of Navigation Patrols... Concert of Democracies.. IndoPacificOceanRegion.... and more...

2008 Financial Crisis.....China, actually, played a very positive and supporting role for the US... of course, self interest was involved too... but it did.

All those attempts to create Pacific Prosperity Partnerships excluding China... and then there is ASEAN ... the most productive region economically ...with enormus potential to grow... which the CominedWest led by the US wants to grow.... but excluding China... at least that is the thought process and dowtailing actions or attempts.

ASEAN and China are rather deeply intertwined so separation is not that walk in the park!

Trump's TwitterTradeWar didn't bring jobs to America but did help the Treasury and US exporters...

While the US was busy searching WMDs and playing hide and seek with Taliban in Kabulistan... China built the Islands in South China Sea... developed its Naval and Air Assets and Capabilities...strengthened its hold on Nine Dash Line...

In the same time frame China did climb the Critical Technology Curve and also the ValueChain of Production... it upgraded its Industrial Base...

BRI was/is more than just Infrastructre projects.... if you recall the US allies from Europe did join the AIIB over the strong US reaction...

Please, see that my view is that of a BemusedObserver... not pro US or pro China... this helps me to understand the situation better.

I believe it would be plain wrong to assume that the US is alone in trying to ContainChina or clip its wings... the CombinedWest is trying to do so...under the US flag...

It is about the System!

The Wealth, Privilge and Power that the CombinedWest has enjoyed for past 200 years and post SecondWorldWar is unparalled in History. Almost Total Power.

Now the question is: Who will freely give away such Power and become less privilged?

No one will!

The US has one simple/clear National Policy: No regional power that can challenge the US anywhere.

EuropeanUnion is the US project and so is Euro... this has helped the US keep Russia practically out of Europe...

China with its landmass, population and upgraded Industrial Base is a huge Challenge to the CombinedWest and its System.

So far, China has played along with the CombinedWest and worked within the System to its great benefit.... it was/is No Free Lunch... since, the Chinese worked for it... enabling the CombinedWest to enjoy good life!

Frankly, it was/is a Win-Win Deal.

China built world class infrastructure, got 700mln out of poverty, became world's biggest creditor..built/modernised its vast industrial based.... gained in Science and Technology and now competing with the CombinedWest in KeyTechnologies and spending vast amounts of money for Industry 3.0 ... Artificial Intelligence the driver.

This has created the Biggest Challenge for the CombinedWest led by the US.... unlike the USSR... which was a hollow Giant eating gurkings behind the IronWall!

The Way I see it... the CombinedWest wants China to keep supporting the System and not asking for either New Financial Architecture or New Industry Standards or be challenging in any shape or form...

However, China sees itself as Civilisational State and the Middle Kingdom...and wishes to have equal say to its weight in the Order of Things... in other words, China wishes to shape the world around it in a manner that benefits its National Interests... logical from the Chinese Perspective...but dangerous for the System.

Weaponised Fiannce is now confronting China... and it doesn't have that leverage yet to deal with it...since Yuan is not globalised... so it cann't live in a Parallel Universe other than the one created by the CombinedWest!

Now whether this Corona is Vegence of Nature or Man's Dark Folly.... it is making rounds... it has exposed the CombinedWest's unpreparedness and the loss of life is immense...so is the trauma... so ..someone needs to be blamed/framed.... typical politicoz - It-wasn't-me ....

For now I believe the MediaCreated rhetoric is a pressure tool for China to accept the terms of the CombinedWest and just be.... we must see Freedom of Navigation Patrols as Negotiation Tactics.

Also, some manufacturing will move out of China in order to create more leverage against China...most likey to ASEAN and some to India.. Mexico can benefit too...

This process might take a couple of years or more...but how effective will it be is anyone's guess.... because China is the Second Biggest Economy and 1.4Bln consumer base....

This brings us to the OilWar... which needs to be seen in totality.... Shale going belly up is short term thing... because it gives the US energy independence...so it will bounce back sooner or later...but for that the Oil needs to be $70 per barrel....

Where does China import its oil from?

What if all those Oil producing countries get marred into conflict or the supply of oil becomes precarious?

Hybridwar 3.0

I cann't see the CombinedWest going to DirectWar with China... neither will China....but from now on it is high gears in the Hybridwar.

The US plans to create India as a counter to China.... Will China prop up Pakistan against India?

In any case Russia is to benefit from all this .... in the short term that is!

If, I may simplify it.... we are now seeing the Struggle for the World Order i.e. The System trying keep its privilige!

And why not!

It is in the Nature of Power to try everything to remain potent...

The World Power Architecture is now in flux...and it is not going to be easy by either side to Play by the Rules...

Ripe tomato falls and splashes on the floor... one can see the seeds... organic ones do smell nice!

Mangus


@SIPRA @Mentee @Ace of Spades @masterchief_mirza @Shotgunner51 @N.Siddiqui @StormBreaker @Blacklight @Signalian @Horus @Irfan Baloch @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Slav Defence @WebMaster @RescueRanger @dbc @Deino @PanzerKiel

It's a very good writing.

Very clear and objective.

 

[MastanKhan]

Calm Down Sir. No war is coming between China and USA


He will easily eat Biden

Hi,

That is a thoughtless comment---. Many a great empires have succumbed to that mindset---.

26th feb happened---you were saying that it would never happened---. Did you apologize to the forum for misleading them---?

 

[Han Patriot]

Its just the matter of time before US declining to become regional power only, unless u think CN market alone still can help US remain Global power.

When US decline tobe just regional power, then CN will defeat her like Mongol empire. U think US is as stupid as Mongol and make the same mistake ?? Do u understand Why Obama propose TPP deal to take CN down ??

I don't care whether they become Vietnam, the world is much more complicated than that, we stop trading with China and then China will collapse? American economy is now so fck up they need us to survive. We are the only ones able to absorb their beans, corn, beef and pork. For the time being US reigns supreme, whether they collapse, I don't know, but we are not trying to destroy them, we are just creating a back up system. They will continue to trade because they have no choice. NOBODY CAN sustain them.... Only us.

 

[rott]

I don't care whether they become Vietnam, the world is much more complicated than that, we stop trading with China and then China will collapse? American economy is now so fck up they need us to survive. We are the only ones able to absorb their beans, corn, beef and pork. For the time being US reigns supreme, whether they collapse, I don't know, but we are not trying to destroy them, we are just creating a back up system. They will continue to trade because they have no choice. NOBODY CAN sustain them.... Only us.

@Viva_Viet don't forget to invite your brother Han Patriot for the dinner and beer.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I don't care whether they become Vietnam, the world is much more complicated than that, we stop trading with China and then China will collapse? American economy is now so fck up they need us to survive. We are the only ones able to absorb their beans, corn, beef and pork. For the time being US reigns supreme, whether they collapse, I don't know, but we are not trying to destroy them, we are just creating a back up system. They will continue to trade because they have no choice. NOBODY CAN sustain them.... Only us.

Selling beans, corn, beef and pork r enough to save US economy ??

Dude, only selling billions USD of weapon may help US survive and reamain at least regional power now, and to sell billions USD of weapon, US nid chaos and civil war in CN. Yeah, only CN rebels ( such as HK rebels) r rich enough to buy billions USD of US weapons.

Stop believing beans, corn, beef and pork will help US remain at lest regional power, my friend. Obama offerred TPP deal cos he knew that US's power is declining and sanction- support color revolt in CN (wt help from TPP nations) is the only best way for US.

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't care whether they become Vietnam, the world is much more complicated than that, we stop trading with China and then China will collapse? American economy is now so fck up they need us to survive. We are the only ones able to absorb their beans, corn, beef and pork. For the time being US reigns supreme, whether they collapse, I don't know, but we are not trying to destroy them, we are just creating a back up system. They will continue to trade because they have no choice. NOBODY CAN sustain them.... Only us.

Hi,

I think that Pres Trump is building steam---to create a diversion to somehow win the election and back to his old self again---.

The US and all the european nations desperately need china to go back to work---.

I went to walmart today looking for a bicycle---not a single one available---.