It Hurts Me To See Hinduism Going The Way Of Radical Islam

[patman]

Wiki enough said ?

Yes , why belive a archive of documented when you can trust the words of a random pdf user.

Nepal attacked by milittantsb?

Yes , iirc they are bordered to the a rural states of west Bengal which has nearly 30% Muslim population , mostly poor immigrants from Bangladesh .what did you expect.

Oh spare me the shit of most ww2 US proper rebuild them.

US doesn't do shit to help them unless they have a geopolitical goal , which most don't , even African countries who just got freedom like a decade ago are more peaceful than iraq.

You are NRI wtf do you know is going around India lol.

Says the Pakistani.

Even you have forsaken India for better secured future

humans will migrate anywhere for for a better life .there are more your Bff Chinese here than Indians ,

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Shias were Vedic people. The fight between Shias and Sunni is primarily split between Vedics and Arab Umayyads.

Pakistanis and Sunni Muslims of India being Indic and former Vedics should have supported the India-Iran-Iraq-Syria instead of Sunni Arab Umayyads. The actions of current day Pakistanis is akin to the erst while Shia Abbasids who sided with the Umayyads instead of siding with Ali.

MRM demands scrapping Article 370; Holds impressive seminar at Jammu

The people of Jammu awoke to a new dawn on May 7th. The sweet sounds of "Vande Mataram" and "Bharat Mata ki Jai" that reverberated through the entire town of Jammu came as a pleasant surprise for them. The slogans also sounded a warning to those elements in the Kashmir Valley who nursed the dream of "Azad Kashmir". The people of Jammu were all smiles for they have not seen even in their dreams in the last 67 years that Muslims would sing "Vande Mataram" and chant "Bharat Mata ki Jai" and demand in once voice abrogation of Article 370! It was next to impossible for them!!

But this impossible was made possible. And that too by the Muslims who loved Mother India as their beloved 'Madar-e-Vatan' as any other devout Hindu.

The Muslim Rashtriya Manch (MRM) which has been working among the Indian Muslims rekindling the flames of love and devotion amongst them for the motherland had made this seemingly difficult and impossible task possible on the soil of Jammu. The two-day national seminar organized by MRM on "Hum Hindustani Jammu-Kashmir Hindustan Ka" was a befitting reply to those separatist and militant elements that had been day-dreaming about segregating Kashmir from India since the days of independence.

The seminar that began on May 7th at the Agrawal Dharmasabha auditorium was inaugurated in presence of stalwarts like Mohd Afzal, National Convener of MRM, BJP National Organizing Secretary Ram Lal, Indresh Kumar, Patron of the MRM and senior RSS functionary, Col. Khalid Hussein, Mohd Salim Asharfi, Chairman Chhattisgarh State Waqf Board, and others. The seminar was attended by over 200 delegates coming from all over the country including over 100 from the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Addressing the inaugural session Mohd Afzal highlighted the activities and programs of MRM vis-a-vis concern for J & K. he vividly described how the MRM activists under his leadership had participated in the Amarnath Shrine Board agitation, how they unfurled the tricolor at Lal Chowk in Shrinagar braving the terrorists' bullets and unfriendly administration, how the MRM rejected the Dilip Padgaonkar Committee report on J & K and how the MRMhad organized a massive dharna demonstration at Jantar-Mantar in New Delhi on December 18, 2011. He also highlighted the response elucidated by the MRM signature campaign from the Muslims of India over J & K. He categorically reaffirmed that the MRM would not allow further vivisection of Mother India in the name of religion to a thundering applause

Col Khalid Hussein underlined the need for spreading education among the Muslim masses. He said that Muslims should also study Geeta and Vedas translate these treasures in Urdu so that they can be within the reach of a common Musalman, he said. This understanding of each others religion would remove most of the misgivings, he said

Mohd Salim Asharfi said that MRM has been successful in setting in atmosphere of communal harmony, goodwill and brotherhood and mutual understanding. A very positive message is being disseminated to the people of India through MRM, he said.

BJP Organizing Secretary Ram Lal said that Jammu-Kashmir has been the region of Durgahs and temples. Blaming the British to wedge a divide between the Muslims and Hindus he said that after independence successive Congress Governments also followed the same policy for their political ambitions. He opposed the Article 370 which was discriminatory in nature and discriminated against the Muslims of Jammu and those of Kashmir regions.

Indresh Kumar said that MRM was a movement of spreading love for the country and people. We believed that the Muslims in India shared the same culture, same land and same ancestors with their Hindu brethren. Islam represents peace and progress while Musalman is synonymous to brotherhood and welfare. This has been the tradition of Hindustan. He said that the Kashmir from where the Prophet used to get a cool breeze of peace has now become hotbed of insurgency, separatism and militancy. The MRM committed itself to end all these woes of Kashmir and to usher in a new era of peace, progress and harmony.

In the subsequent sessions the speakers including Chaudhary Lal Hussein of Jammu, Mohd. Iqbal Bhatt of Doda, Bashir Ahmed of Kashmir, Chaudhary Manzoor Hussein, Mohd Faiz Khan,Mohd Siddique of Anantnag, Munnawar Chaudhary of Jaipur, Gulam Mohd of Jammu, Ishrat Khatun from Bihar, Shahnaz Afzal from Delhi and others demanded abrogation of Article 370 and denounced separatism and militancy in the strongest words.

The concluding session was marked with the presence of former Union Minister senior BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussein, Sohail Kasmi, Editor of prominent Urdu daily 'Takseem', Nazir Mir, MRM J & K Convener, Er. Gulam Ali, Mohd Salim Asharfi, and Mohd Afzal.

Shahnawaz Hussein said that Article 370 was the root cause of all problems in J & K. He lauded the MRM activists for their commitment to get this discriminatory article deleted from the Constitution. He said that this Article did not give anything to the people and state but snatched away every thing from its people.

The BJP leader said "the Indian Muslims have been fortunate enough to get a better nation like ours to live and a better neighbor like Hindus". No Muslims in the world have this privilege. Lambasting the ruling class in J & K Hussein said that only 100-odd families were benefited by Article 370.

Indresh Kumar in his valedictory address made a strong case for abrogation of Article 370 stating that it has created disparity in the society and division in the country. He disputed the claim of the Congress that it was instrumental in gaining freedom for the nation. The nation got freedom because of the sacrifice made by Bhagat Singh, Ashfaq Ullah, Chandra sekhar Azad, Subhash Chandra Bose and many others, he said.

MRM National Convener Mohd Afzal blamed Pt, Jawaharlal Nehru for the ills of Kashmir today. He said Muslims and Hindus were not responsible for partition of India but leaders like Pt. Nehru and Mohd Ali Jinnah should be blamed for this tragedy which saw the inhuman massacre of 0ver 10 lakh Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims. He squarely blamed Nehru for complicating the issue of J & K.

Out rightly rejecting the report and recommendations of Dilip Padgaonkar Committee Afzal said that the MRM had collected over 8 lakh signatures of Muslims from all over India in support of their demand for abrogation of Article 370. This has happened for the first time in the history of Independent India, he said.

Suhail Qazmi, Editor of Takseem, Salim Asharfi, and others also addressed the gathering. Er. Gulam Ali compeered the proceedings of the program held at Jammu Club.

MRM has undertaken special campaigns and programs as under:

1. Paigam-e-Aman yatra in 2008. The yatra began in small groups in the country and all the groups gathered at Hazrat Nizamuddin Durgah from where they marched to Hazrat Bal Durgah in Kashmir. Former RSS Chief flagged off this Paigam-e-Aman yatra from the Red Fort to Lal Chowk.

2. Over 5 lakh signatures of Muslims were gathered in November 2008 in support of ban on cow slaughter from the entire country. These signatures were presented to the President of India in presence of 10,000 Muslims. The MRM actively participated in Vishwa Mangal Go-gram Yatra in the entire country.

3. Dharna and demonstrations were held throughout the country in protest of terrorism followed by a massive demonstration at Jantar-Mantar in Delhi.

4. Meetings and demonstrations were organized in support of Tibetan refugees living in various parts of the country.

5. Tiranga Yatra was organized in 2009 at Mumbai in which Muslims from all over the country participated to denounce the brutal terrorist attack on Mumbai in 2008. The Yatra led by MRM leaders and Indresh Kumar culminated at Gateway of India.

6. Jammu-Kashmir ki Awaz program was held in December 2010.

7. Massive demonstrations were held on December 18, 2011 at Jantar-Mantar to voice concern over Kashmir issue. Nearly 10,000 Muslims from all over the country participated in this historic dharna program.

Kashmir issue. Nearly 10,000 Muslims from all over the country participated in this historic dharna program.

8. Signature campaign on Jammu and Kashmir issue was held in 2012 in which over 8 lakh signatures of Muslims were collected.

9. Save Girl Child Campaign

Giving a new dimension to the MRM mission, Indresh Kumar said that the MRM would take up the mission of saving the girl child. He said that each man aspires to have a loving mother and a caring wife. He can get them only when he cares for the girl child. Unless we care for them wherefrom we would get a loving mother and a caring wife? He asked. To kill the girl child even before the birth was against the tenets of Islam and an insult to the prophet. He called upon the MRM activists to strive to save the girl child and to propagate 'save girl child' message everywhere.






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Dear indian,

Thank you for taking the time to reply my question.

However, despite provision of information, I could not gather the Core of your beliefs.

Once again, if you could kindly answer what are you trying to prove/say/forward with this information?

Is it that everything i.e. ideas, civilisation, religious ethos came from present day india?

Is it that Shias are vedic people?

Is it that entirety of North African-Asian-Russian religious base has its fountainhead in present day india?


Thank you for the information for 12000BC. Sure looks impressive.

Anyone who claims that the hindu civilisation is not ancient needs his head checked.

But you and mr. @Hindustani78 have been trying to forward certain thesis which implies such a vastness of scope and depth of charge that it becomes rather too vast to comprehend.

So, if you, other indians and mr. @Hindustani78 can put forward a thesis/definition/statement that clarifies your contentions...then for us outside students it becomes clearer to frame the information that you both generously provide. Context?

I have nothing against hindus. Nothing whatsoever.

We can argue about policies, of course. But all of indians are as human as I am.

Looking forward to your kind help in understanding your framework of beliefs and thought process regarding massive information posting.


Regards,

SPF

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

All you Indians are crazy and completely ignorant and delusional I am done dealing with you lot.

I will tell my Pakistani friends to leave this nitwits to their delusions. It is the reason why their country is so under-developed and their standard of living is so low. They are too busy attempting to make conspiracy theories to actually fix anything.

 

[hussain0216]

Here is a Pakistani source. Hope you would accept it now.


Karbala and how Lahore was involved
Majid SheikhPublished Nov 26, 2012 03:50pm
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A Muharram procession in Lahore, Pakistan.—File Photo


IN our school and college days we all loved to assist friends set up ‘sabeels’ alongside Lahore`s traditional ‘Ashura’ procession, providing cold drinks to the thousands who mourned. Sects and beliefs never mattered then. But then neither did one`s religion.

For well over 1,332 years, the tragedy of Karbala moves everyone who hears about it, be they Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Sikh or any other religion. This is one incident that brings out the need to support those with a moral position.

As children we attended the ‘sham-i-ghareeban’ with our Shia friends, and learnt the lesson of supporting those in the right. Everyone respected the beliefs of others. Yes, there were always a few silly chaps who wanted attention, but they were at best ignored.

The ancient city of Lahore is connected to the tragedy in no uncertain terms.

Historical accounts say seven brave warriors from Lahore died while fighting in the Battle of Karbala. It is said their father Rahab Dutt, an old man who traded with Arabia in those days, had promised the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) to stand by his grandson in his fight to uphold the truth.

That pledge the brave Rajput Mohiyals of the Dutt clan from Lahore upheld.

Today they are known as Hussaini Brahmins, who lived in Lahore till 1947.

Then there is the fact that besides the Hindu Rajputs of Lahore, in the battle also fought John bin Huwai, a freed Christian slave of Abu Dharr al-Ghafari, whose `alleged` descendents, one researcher claims, still live inside the Walled City of Lahore.

I have been on the track of these ancestors for quite some time and have been able to trace one Christian family living inside Mori Gate. They claim to have a connection with a `Sahabi` whose name they cannot recollect. M. A. Karanpikar`s `Islam in Transition`, written over 250 years ago, made this claim, but I do not think it is a claim worth pursuing.

But the most powerful claim of Lahore as the place where the descendents of Hussain ibn All came lies in the Bibi Pak Daman graveyard, where the grave of Ruquiya, sister of Hussain ibn Ali and wife of Muslim ibn Ageel, is said to exist.

Also graves here attributed to the sisters of Muslim ibn Ageel and other family members. Many dispute this claim.

But then no less a person than Ali Hasan of Hajweri, known popularly as Data Sahib, came here every Thursday to offer ‘fateha’ at the grave, informing his followers that this was the grave of Ruquiya. The place where he always stood to offer `fateha` has been marked out, and his book also verifies this claim. Mind you detractors exist, of this have no doubt, but the supporting evidence is quite strong.

Let me begin the story of the Dutts by going through the record of the Shaukat Khanum Hospital and the recorded fact that Indian film star Sunil Dutt, who belonged to Lahore, made a donation to the hospital and recorded the following words: ‘For Lahore, like my elders, I will shed every drop of blood and give any donation asked for, just as my ancestors did when they laid down their lives at Karbala for Hazrat Imam Husain.

Makes you think -but then there is this account which says that the seven sons of Rahab Dutt lost their lives defending the Imam at Karbala. The Martyr’s List at Qum verifies this. History records when the third thrust by Yazid’s forces came, the Dutt brothers refused to let them pass. The seven Punjabi swordsmen stood their ground till they were felled by hundreds of horsemen. In lieu of the loyalty of the Dutt family to that of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) was coined the famous saying: ‘Wah Dutt Sultan, Hindu ka dharm, Musalman ka iman, Adha Hindu adha Musalman.’ Since then, so the belief goes, Muslims were instructed never to try to convert the Dutts to Islam.

A grieving Rahab returned to the land of his ancestors, and after staying in Afghanistan, returned to Lahore. I have tried my very best to locate their ‘mohallah’ inside the Walled City, and my educated guess is that it is Mohallah Maulian inside Lohari Gate. Later they moved to Mochi Gate, and it was there that the famous Dutts lived before 1947 saw them flee from the hate of the people they gave everything for.

The most interesting thing about the Hussaini Brahmins is that they are highly respected among Hindus, and even more amazingly it is said that all direct ancestors of Rahab Dutt are born with a light slash mark on their throat, a sort of symbol of their sacrifice. I was reading a piece by Prof Doonica Dutt of Delhi University who verified this claim and said that all true Dutts belong to Lahore.

I must point out to an amazing version of these events that an Indian historian, Chawala, has come up with. It says that one of the wives of Hazrat Imam Husain, the Persian princess Shahr Banu, was the sister of Chandra Lekha or Mehr Banu, the wife of an Indian king Chandragupta. We know that he ruled over Lahore. When it became clear that Yazid ibn Muawiya was determined to eliminate Hussain ibn Ali, the son of Hussain (named Ali) rushed off a letter to Chandragupta asking for assistance. The Mauriyan king, allegedly, dispatched a large army to Iraq to assist. By the time they arrived, the Tragedy of Karbala had taken place.

In Kufa in Iraq a disciple of Hazrat Imam Husain is said to have arranged for them to stay in a special part of the town, which even today is known by the name of Dair-i-Hindiya or ‘the Indian quarter’ The Hussaini Brahmins believe that in the Kalanki Purana, the last of 18 Puranas, as well as the Atharva Veda, the 4th Veda, refers to Hazrat Imam Husain as the avatar of the Kali Yug, the present age. They believe that the family of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)is Om Murti, the most respected family before the Almighty.

All these facts bring me back to our days as school children working hard to provide relief to the mourners on Ashura. Reminds me of our neighbour Nawab Raza Ali Qizilbash, who invited us to his ‘haveli’ every year to see the preparations before the event. Raza Bhai is no more, and neither is the tolerance that we all enjoyed so much.


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Of course not, this is unbelievable monkeyshit with no historical proof or evidence or significance

You think pagans were running around karbala

Shias were Vedic people. The fight between Shias and Sunni is primarily split between Vedics and Arab Umayyads.

Pakistanis and Sunni Muslims of India being Indic and former Vedics should have supported the India-Iran-Iraq-Syria instead of Sunni Arab Umayyads. The actions of current day Pakistanis is akin to the erst while Shia Abbasids who sided with the Umayyads instead of siding with Ali.

MRM demands scrapping Article 370; Holds impressive seminar at Jammu

The people of Jammu awoke to a new dawn on May 7th. The sweet sounds of "Vande Mataram" and "Bharat Mata ki Jai" that reverberated through the entire town of Jammu came as a pleasant surprise for them. The slogans also sounded a warning to those elements in the Kashmir Valley who nursed the dream of "Azad Kashmir". The people of Jammu were all smiles for they have not seen even in their dreams in the last 67 years that Muslims would sing "Vande Mataram" and chant "Bharat Mata ki Jai" and demand in once voice abrogation of Article 370! It was next to impossible for them!!

But this impossible was made possible. And that too by the Muslims who loved Mother India as their beloved 'Madar-e-Vatan' as any other devout Hindu.

The Muslim Rashtriya Manch (MRM) which has been working among the Indian Muslims rekindling the flames of love and devotion amongst them for the motherland had made this seemingly difficult and impossible task possible on the soil of Jammu. The two-day national seminar organized by MRM on "Hum Hindustani Jammu-Kashmir Hindustan Ka" was a befitting reply to those separatist and militant elements that had been day-dreaming about segregating Kashmir from India since the days of independence.

The seminar that began on May 7th at the Agrawal Dharmasabha auditorium was inaugurated in presence of stalwarts like Mohd Afzal, National Convener of MRM, BJP National Organizing Secretary Ram Lal, Indresh Kumar, Patron of the MRM and senior RSS functionary, Col. Khalid Hussein, Mohd Salim Asharfi, Chairman Chhattisgarh State Waqf Board, and others. The seminar was attended by over 200 delegates coming from all over the country including over 100 from the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Addressing the inaugural session Mohd Afzal highlighted the activities and programs of MRM vis-a-vis concern for J & K. he vividly described how the MRM activists under his leadership had participated in the Amarnath Shrine Board agitation, how they unfurled the tricolor at Lal Chowk in Shrinagar braving the terrorists' bullets and unfriendly administration, how the MRM rejected the Dilip Padgaonkar Committee report on J & K and how the MRMhad organized a massive dharna demonstration at Jantar-Mantar in New Delhi on December 18, 2011. He also highlighted the response elucidated by the MRM signature campaign from the Muslims of India over J & K. He categorically reaffirmed that the MRM would not allow further vivisection of Mother India in the name of religion to a thundering applause

Col Khalid Hussein underlined the need for spreading education among the Muslim masses. He said that Muslims should also study Geeta and Vedas translate these treasures in Urdu so that they can be within the reach of a common Musalman, he said. This understanding of each others religion would remove most of the misgivings, he said

Mohd Salim Asharfi said that MRM has been successful in setting in atmosphere of communal harmony, goodwill and brotherhood and mutual understanding. A very positive message is being disseminated to the people of India through MRM, he said.

BJP Organizing Secretary Ram Lal said that Jammu-Kashmir has been the region of Durgahs and temples. Blaming the British to wedge a divide between the Muslims and Hindus he said that after independence successive Congress Governments also followed the same policy for their political ambitions. He opposed the Article 370 which was discriminatory in nature and discriminated against the Muslims of Jammu and those of Kashmir regions.

Indresh Kumar said that MRM was a movement of spreading love for the country and people. We believed that the Muslims in India shared the same culture, same land and same ancestors with their Hindu brethren. Islam represents peace and progress while Musalman is synonymous to brotherhood and welfare. This has been the tradition of Hindustan. He said that the Kashmir from where the Prophet used to get a cool breeze of peace has now become hotbed of insurgency, separatism and militancy. The MRM committed itself to end all these woes of Kashmir and to usher in a new era of peace, progress and harmony.

In the subsequent sessions the speakers including Chaudhary Lal Hussein of Jammu, Mohd. Iqbal Bhatt of Doda, Bashir Ahmed of Kashmir, Chaudhary Manzoor Hussein, Mohd Faiz Khan,Mohd Siddique of Anantnag, Munnawar Chaudhary of Jaipur, Gulam Mohd of Jammu, Ishrat Khatun from Bihar, Shahnaz Afzal from Delhi and others demanded abrogation of Article 370 and denounced separatism and militancy in the strongest words.

The concluding session was marked with the presence of former Union Minister senior BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussein, Sohail Kasmi, Editor of prominent Urdu daily 'Takseem', Nazir Mir, MRM J & K Convener, Er. Gulam Ali, Mohd Salim Asharfi, and Mohd Afzal.

Shahnawaz Hussein said that Article 370 was the root cause of all problems in J & K. He lauded the MRM activists for their commitment to get this discriminatory article deleted from the Constitution. He said that this Article did not give anything to the people and state but snatched away every thing from its people.

The BJP leader said "the Indian Muslims have been fortunate enough to get a better nation like ours to live and a better neighbor like Hindus". No Muslims in the world have this privilege. Lambasting the ruling class in J & K Hussein said that only 100-odd families were benefited by Article 370.

Indresh Kumar in his valedictory address made a strong case for abrogation of Article 370 stating that it has created disparity in the society and division in the country. He disputed the claim of the Congress that it was instrumental in gaining freedom for the nation. The nation got freedom because of the sacrifice made by Bhagat Singh, Ashfaq Ullah, Chandra sekhar Azad, Subhash Chandra Bose and many others, he said.

MRM National Convener Mohd Afzal blamed Pt, Jawaharlal Nehru for the ills of Kashmir today. He said Muslims and Hindus were not responsible for partition of India but leaders like Pt. Nehru and Mohd Ali Jinnah should be blamed for this tragedy which saw the inhuman massacre of 0ver 10 lakh Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims. He squarely blamed Nehru for complicating the issue of J & K.

Out rightly rejecting the report and recommendations of Dilip Padgaonkar Committee Afzal said that the MRM had collected over 8 lakh signatures of Muslims from all over India in support of their demand for abrogation of Article 370. This has happened for the first time in the history of Independent India, he said.

Suhail Qazmi, Editor of Takseem, Salim Asharfi, and others also addressed the gathering. Er. Gulam Ali compeered the proceedings of the program held at Jammu Club.

MRM has undertaken special campaigns and programs as under:

1. Paigam-e-Aman yatra in 2008. The yatra began in small groups in the country and all the groups gathered at Hazrat Nizamuddin Durgah from where they marched to Hazrat Bal Durgah in Kashmir. Former RSS Chief flagged off this Paigam-e-Aman yatra from the Red Fort to Lal Chowk.

2. Over 5 lakh signatures of Muslims were gathered in November 2008 in support of ban on cow slaughter from the entire country. These signatures were presented to the President of India in presence of 10,000 Muslims. The MRM actively participated in Vishwa Mangal Go-gram Yatra in the entire country.

3. Dharna and demonstrations were held throughout the country in protest of terrorism followed by a massive demonstration at Jantar-Mantar in Delhi.

4. Meetings and demonstrations were organized in support of Tibetan refugees living in various parts of the country.

5. Tiranga Yatra was organized in 2009 at Mumbai in which Muslims from all over the country participated to denounce the brutal terrorist attack on Mumbai in 2008. The Yatra led by MRM leaders and Indresh Kumar culminated at Gateway of India.

6. Jammu-Kashmir ki Awaz program was held in December 2010.

7. Massive demonstrations were held on December 18, 2011 at Jantar-Mantar to voice concern over Kashmir issue. Nearly 10,000 Muslims from all over the country participated in this historic dharna program.

Kashmir issue. Nearly 10,000 Muslims from all over the country participated in this historic dharna program.

8. Signature campaign on Jammu and Kashmir issue was held in 2012 in which over 8 lakh signatures of Muslims were collected.

9. Save Girl Child Campaign

Giving a new dimension to the MRM mission, Indresh Kumar said that the MRM would take up the mission of saving the girl child. He said that each man aspires to have a loving mother and a caring wife. He can get them only when he cares for the girl child. Unless we care for them wherefrom we would get a loving mother and a caring wife? He asked. To kill the girl child even before the birth was against the tenets of Islam and an insult to the prophet. He called upon the MRM activists to strive to save the girl child and to propagate 'save girl child' message everywhere.






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Buddy when you become Muslim you are no longer anything except part of the Muslim ummah, this is now your identity as per Gods will

Vedic this, Indic that these are the definitions of kaffir that Muslims should no longer abide by

Taking allies of any idolaters is also a no nor any Muslim

Its why Jinnah (shia) was adamant tat Pakistan had to be made, so the Muslims of the subcontinent would not be effected by the whims of pagans

 

[StraightShooter]

Of course not, this is unbelievable monkeyshit with no historical proof or evidence or significance

You think pagans were running around karbala

You may be a Sunni hence you would of course downplay the incident but the fact is Shias were brutally killed in the Battle of Karbala by the Sunnis from the Arab lands. Hindus tried to help but those efforts were in vain.

But both Shias and Hindus have a long memory and remember this event.

Safavid Empire ensured that the Shias would never meet that fate again.

 

[shahbaz baig]

how dare you even compare Islam with Hinduism.. there is not any match between sky(islaam) and earth(hinduism).
by comparing islam with hinduism you are trying to curse Judaism and christianity too. these three religions have enough similarities, but Hinduism ?????? wtf

 

[hussain0216]

You may be a Sunni hence you would of course downplay the incident but the fact is Shias were brutally killed in the Battle of Karbala by the Sunnis from the Arab lands. Hindus tried to help but those efforts were in vain.

But both Shias and Hindus have a long memory and remember this event.

Safavid Empire ensured that the Shias would never meet that fate again.

It is rubbish

Karbala is well documented, this is the first time i have heasrd this delusional hindu nonsense

Hindus were pagans, it would be impossible for any Muslim of any persuasion to take any idolaters as a ally, you do know this don't you

Some of your Hindu historians are crazy , Hindu kingdoms pop up in the middle of Africa and France to these people

 

[StraightShooter]

Buddy when you become Muslim you are no longer anything except part of the Muslim ummah, this is now your identity as per Gods will

Vedic this, Indic that these are the definitions of kaffir that Muslims should no longer abide by

Taking allies of any idolaters is also a no nor any Muslim

Its why Jinnah (shia) was adamant tat Pakistan had to be made, so the Muslims of the subcontinent would not be effected by the whims of pagans

Jinnah envisioned a secular Pakistan not Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

 

[hussain0216]

Jinnah envisioned a secular Pakistan not Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Secular or Islamic or both either way, broken away from a hindutva India, separate from vedic hindus , adamant that Muslim must not live with or side by side with Hindus

India's hindutva lurch has proven Jinnah was a genius

 

[shahbaz baig]

Jinnah envisioned a secular Pakistan not Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

how dare you even compare Islam with Hinduism.. there is not any match between sky(islaam) and earth(hinduism).
by comparing islam with hinduism you are trying to curse Judaism and christianity too. these three religions have enough similarities, but Hinduism ?????? wtf

Muslims can live peacefully even with christian and jewish under the peace agreement but not with Hindus ... Hindus are worst human on the face of this earth.. hindus religious teaching are totally opposite with islam, christianity and Judaism..

 

[StraightShooter]

how dare you even compare Islam with Hinduism.. there is not any match between sky(islaam) and earth(hinduism).
by comparing islam with hinduism you are trying to curse Judaism and christianity too. these three religions have enough similarities, but Hinduism ?????? wtf

Of course no one is comparing.

Comparing Islam with Judaism & Christianity is like comparing one kid vs the other while comparing Islam with Hinduism is like comparing kid with the Parent.

 

[Tiger Genie]

all this chest beating is quite unnecessary. Indians need not at all feel reluctant about building a hindu rashtra. And no, hindu rashtra does not mean minority religions are abandoned - to the contrary they are supported a lot better. It is simply that a hindu rashtra by definition is built on fundamental principles which far more humane, developmental, personal freedom through discipline of the self and service mindedness.

Building a nation or a world based on that scares some people because they have seen what happens when other religions mix up with statecraft such as christian and islamic religions. Certainly those lead to the conclusion that it is best to keep church and state separate.

Hinduism is very different and not at all comparable to those religions.

 

[StraightShooter]

Muslims can live peacefully even with christian and jewish under the peace agreement but not with Hindus ... Hindus are worst human on the face of this earth.. hindus religious teaching are totally opposite with islam, christianity and Judaism..

Hindus do not have issues mingling with any other religion as Hinduism is not an organized religion.

It is like a Banyan tree and will keep changing with time.

 

[StraightShooter]

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Dear indian,

Thank you for taking the time to reply my question.

However, despite provision of information, I could not gather the Core of your beliefs.

Once again, if you could kindly answer what are you trying to prove/say/forward with this information?

Is it that everything i.e. ideas, civilisation, religious ethos came from present day india?

Is it that Shias are vedic people?

Is it that entirety of North African-Asian-Russian religious base has its fountainhead in present day india?


Thank you for the information for 12000BC. Sure looks impressive.

Anyone who claims that the hindu civilisation is not ancient needs his head checked.

But you and mr. @Hindustani78 have been trying to forward certain thesis which implies such a vastness of scope and depth of charge that it becomes rather too vast to comprehend.

So, if you, other indians and mr. @Hindustani78 can put forward a thesis/definition/statement that clarifies your contentions...then for us outside students it becomes clearer to frame the information that you both generously provide. Context?

I have nothing against hindus. Nothing whatsoever.

We can argue about policies, of course. But all of indians are as human as I am.

Looking forward to your kind help in understanding your framework of beliefs and thought process regarding massive information posting.


Regards,

SPF

Firstly I only speak for myself and do not any clue what @Hindustani78 's objectives are.

I am not a professional like many people here. I am just an enthusiast and shared whatever I read.

I tried to clarify the facts which many people would not like to accept due to current day politics.

I read all religious books (including my own) as History books rather than as mythology or divine literature.

The hard fact is that the similarities of ancient cultures, languages and religions were much closer than the current day modern cultures, languages and religions. This means Humans rather than getting more closer, civilized and friendly in the age of Globalization and Internet are in fact regressing with rigid thoughts and nonsensical ideas creating greater divides.

Historically many civilizations have committed mistakes in the name of religion, gender, language, culture, race etc.. But more than those mistakes the graver mistake is not to recognize those mistakes even today. History for most part has been written by the victors with malafide intentions to protect their political interests and narratives. So, in this day of age, for sustaining Global peace there is urgent need to document and recognize the Historical facts as they were. Only when this is done can people reconcile and move on.

This brings us to my position on rebuilding all the destroyed temples. I made that statement to demonstrate how painful it could be for someone to see their places of worships getting demolished. If the subcontinent Muslims does not have the courage and conviction to accept that fact, how could one expect peace to return to the subcontinent? My statement was to test the views of the members. Many of the members have become defensive and have just gone into denial mode (which was the easiest thing to do) hoping that the problem would get resolved on its own. The fact is that this position does not solve the problem instead it would reinforce the thought in the minds of the Hindus that the current day subcontinent Muslims are still carrying the same thinking and ill will as the erst while tyrannical rulers.

For me personally, correcting and accepting the historical fact is more important than the rebuilding of the destroyed temples.

For example, here in US, Students are taught in schools how native Indians were killed using small pox virus.

Stating of the facts of the erst while mistakes would go a long way in the reconciliation among current generation people. There is simply no reason why the current generation should carry the burden of the mistakes committed by the past generations.