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Israel’s Iron Dome Isn’t Working: A Weapons Expert’s Warning
By Peter Coy July 21, 2014

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A missile is launched by an Iron Dome battery on July 13 in the southern Israeli city of Ashdod

“We’re not trying to bash Iron Dome,” says weapons scientist Richard Lloyd, author of a research paper that calls into question the effectiveness of Israel’s now famous rocket-defense system. “We’re trying to help Iron Dome. The way to help Iron Dome is to identify some of its problems.”

Representatives for the Israel Defense Forces claim that Iron Dome has been about 90 percent effective in knocking down Hamas missiles fired from Gaza. Lloyd and a handful of other outside experts, including Theodore Postol of Massachusetts Institute of Technology, have been challenging the IDF’s assertions on Iron Dome’s success rate since at least 2012.

On Monday, Lloyd e-mailed me a copy of a 28-page analysis that’s the most detailed critique yet of the holes in the Iron Dome system—holes so big that, if he’s right, would justify calling it Iron Sieve. He says his paper is based entirely on open-source documents and observations and was cleared for public release by the Pentagon in late May.

Lloyd wrote the paper for Tesla Laboratories, a defense contractor in Arlington, Va., for which he is a consultant, and plans to post it on the Internet “sometime.” He spent more than two decades at Raytheon (RTN) and was a past engineering fellow at Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems.

The strength of Lloyd’s critique is that ordinary people can evaluate the effectiveness of Iron Dome just by looking up in the sky at the contrails of the antimissile system’s Tamir interceptors. If it’s working properly, the interceptor missiles shoot upward and meet incoming Hamas rockets as they fall to the ground at a steep angle. The contrails are short and go straight skyward. If it’s not working, the contrails form loop-de-loops as the interceptors chase after the rockets and catch them from the side or behind.

Hamas rockets that are hit from the side or behind may be knocked out of the air, but their warheads usually aren’t detonated, Lloyd says, so they can still explode when they hit the ground and cause serious damage.

Postol, a professor of science, technology, and national security policy at MIT who is familiar with Lloyd’s work, compares the Iron Dome interceptors to an outfielder who misjudges a fly ball and has to backpedal furiously to get under it. “The radar system should be able to track incoming rockets with reasonable precision. That should not be a big problem, but there’s something going on,” Postol says.

One problem is that there aren’t enough Iron Dome batteries to cover the country, Lloyd says, so interceptors have to race long distances and can’t always get in position in time to meet rockets head-on. The recent addition of an eighth battery should be helping at least a little.

Jonathan Mosery, a spokesman for Israel’s Ministry of Defense, stood by the government’s statements about the accuracy of Iron Dome and said he would seek a more specific reaction to the claims in Lloyd’s paper.

Hamas warheads aren’t easy to blow up in midair. The explosive used—TNT—is fairly inert and encased in a thick steel tube. The Tamir interceptors are supposed to blow up when they get close to the rockets and shred them with small steel rods. But the rods spray in all directions, so most don’t even touch the rocket. Many of those that hit may deflect off. The rods don’t have much chance if the timing or direction of the interceptor is even slightly off, according to Lloyd’s calculations.

If Iron Dome isn’t effective, then why have so few Israelis died from rocket fire? Both Lloyd and Postol attribute that mainly to the low firepower of the rockets and to Israel’s excellent early-warning system and network of shelters.

Lloyd and Postol both have potential conflicts of interest that critics might argue color their analysis. Lloyd has developed a concept for a different warhead for the Tamir interceptors, and he thinks his design would be more successful. Postol, for his part, has been a long-term critic of all kinds of missile-defense systems. He’s in a heated conflict with his employer, MIT, which he says has tried to suppress him because it wants contracts from Raytheon, the world’s biggest missile maker and now a supplier of parts for Iron Dome.
 
All I see is @500 posting that one picture of the apartment building hit by a hamas missile. For all intents and purposes the iron dome is working. Or the other case is that Hamas is firing the rockets into the sea. That guy just wants to sell his warhead for the project.
 
They don't want it to, they need an excuse to launch the god damn atrocities that they do.
 
Compare the causalities and number of rockets landed on critical areas inside Israel to previous clashes .....
 
What is the cost of each interception of an incoming missile to Israel ?
 
What is the cost of each interception of an incoming missile to Israel ?

$50,000 is the cost of the rocket fired from Iron Dome battery. Other costs aren't included.

But Israel doesn't need to worry.

U.S congress yesterday passed a resolution to DOUBLE the money going into Iron Dome program (500 million U.S dollars). It was all over the news here in the U.S. Saw it myself

So U.S will pay the bill :D
 
$50,000 is the cost of the rocket fired from Iron Dome battery. Other costs aren't included.

But Israel doesn't need to worry.

U.S congress yesterday passed a resolution to DOUBLE the money going into Iron Dome program (500 million U.S dollars). It was all over the news here in the U.S. Saw it myself

So U.S will pay the bill :D

There will come a day when the American people realize where their dollars are going and something drastic will happen. I just hope it comes soon enough.
 
Hamas needs to fire enough simultaneous rockets at the same target will make iron dome doomed. Anti missile batteries are for high value targets like Missliles or Aircraft not for rockets.

0 Israelis civilian casualties inspite of 100s of hamas rockets. Just shows the capability of iron dome system
Hamas just could not or did not fire enough to overwhelm iron dome. But increase of their range just changed the dynamics of Israel/Palestinian conflict.
 
Hamas rockets that are hit from the side or behind may be knocked out of the air, but their warheads usually aren’t detonated, Lloyd says, so they can still explode when they hit the ground and cause serious damage.

That is making this Iron Dome, Iron Sieve :)
 
What is the cost of each interception of an incoming missile to Israel ?

$50,000 is the cost of the rocket fired from Iron Dome battery. Other costs aren't included.

But Israel doesn't need to worry.

U.S congress yesterday passed a resolution to DOUBLE the money going into Iron Dome program (500 million U.S dollars). It was all over the news here in the U.S. Saw it myself

So U.S will pay the bill :D
50 million is charged per battary.
Plus 20,000$ per interception.


Here are some calculations which I have made to determine cost price of battery:
There are 9 batteries available for iron dome till now.
Hence,if 1 =50,000,000
currently ,9 batteries are used:
9×50,000,000=450,000,000
It is said that they will bring 15 this year.So,in case if 15 batteries are brought,therefore:
15×50,000,000=750,000,000

So,batteries will cost 750,000,000$ only
-Regards
 
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50 million is charged per battary.
Plus 20,000$ per interception.


Here are some calculations which I have made to determine cost price of battery:
There are 9 batteries available for iron dome till now.
Hence,if 1 =50,000,000
currently ,9 batteries are used:
9×50,000,000=450,000,000
It is said that they will bring 15 this year.So,in case if 15 batteries are brought,therefore:
15×50,000,000=750,000,000

So,batteries will cost 750,000,000$ only
-Regards

I said fifty thousand per interception..not fifty million :P

Iron Dome is a cheap system compared to its effectiveness. Israelis are coming up with anti-rocket laser beam..which would be SUPER cheap compared to Iron dome..
 
I said fifty thousand per interception..not fifty million :P

Iron Dome is a cheap system compared to its effectiveness. Israelis are coming up with anti-rocket laser beam..which would be SUPER cheap compared to Iron dome..
20,000 per interception while 50 million is of per battery charge.

50 million is per unit cost says wiki:
Iron Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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