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Israeli minister calls for full Saudi ties and official Riyadh visit
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HannibalBarca
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So this thread is about if the house of saud are angels or not?
Well if killing your own brothers for power... Is angelic then the Saud are angels...
And let's be honest... Whoever defend the Saud and their legacy on the Muslim world as being fruitfull, good and kind since those past 50 years... Then it's an hypocrite...
Their ideology was and is a cancer to our ummah... They don't care about Muslims, they care about themselves, and their throne. Period. Same as their mullah twin brother, same ideology, different name...
As for the relation ship with Israel... GCC didn't do much to anger Israel in those past decades... It's even quite the opposite... Let's not even talk about UAE/ Israel relationship... That's will be Bromance spotted...
Anyway... Bibi is happy and that's important..
And for those searching a lineage ( that is not confirmed) as a token of being the leader, then enjoy your madness. Even our rassul told us to choose those who will govern us and not by blood or by lineage right...
Anyway... Enjoy yourself
Well if killing your own brothers for power... Is angelic then the Saud are angels...
And let's be honest... Whoever defend the Saud and their legacy on the Muslim world as being fruitfull, good and kind since those past 50 years... Then it's an hypocrite...
Their ideology was and is a cancer to our ummah... They don't care about Muslims, they care about themselves, and their throne. Period. Same as their mullah twin brother, same ideology, different name...
As for the relation ship with Israel... GCC didn't do much to anger Israel in those past decades... It's even quite the opposite... Let's not even talk about UAE/ Israel relationship... That's will be Bromance spotted...
Anyway... Bibi is happy and that's important..
And for those searching a lineage ( that is not confirmed) as a token of being the leader, then enjoy your madness. Even our rassul told us to choose those who will govern us and not by blood or by lineage right...
Anyway... Enjoy yourself
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Saif al-Arab
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What are you talking about exactly? Who has been mentioning House of Saud and angels in the same sentence?
KSA and the House of Saud and their ties Israel and Jews do not even reach the knees in terms of the ties that Turkey, Iran and even most Arab nations (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon etc.) have had ever since Israel appeared in 1948.
Sure. Expect for the fact that KSA took actively part in the Arab-Israeli war in 1948
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War
The Yom Kippur War in 1973 (which was the most successful war from an Arab perspective)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
let alone the oil embargo that paralyzed the Western world and world economy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Oil_Embargo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_energy_crisis
House of Saudi is completely irrelevant here. We will always defend our ancient land regardless of who is the ruler. We have had more dynasties in pre-Islamic era and Islamic times than arguably anyone else in the Muslim world. Not only that some of the oldest recorded civilizations, kingdoms and political entities and known rulers whether male or female.
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despite all the hadits... we should do the peace deal with Israel... tell me where is written in hadith that Muslims cant sign a peace deal with Jewish? when prophet P.B.U.H could sign a deal so why cant us? i better to follow Prophet P.B.U.H rather then conspiracy theories... christian did very wrong with Jewish & killed many Jewish and even Muslims boycotted Israel it is really injustice. let's live us peacefully with all the faiths whatever we believe... humanity should be the first priority.. you cant be a good Muslim, christian or a Jewish if you are not good human first..
in my opinion israel should not only make a good relation with KSA but also with Turkey & Pakistan.. if Israel will get success to make a good relationship with these 3 countries all the Muslims world will follow them automatically... Iran also should forget all the things and move on please for peace...
i know Israel known as backstabber in Muslims world.. and we all have fear that Israel can backstab us.. but we should give a chance for peace with them.. that's it.... why cant we live peacefully with all the faiths...
if you forgot then let me remind you that the 10 lost tribe of Jewish migrated to the region India, Pakistan, Afghanistan.. if you test their DNA they belong to Jewish ancestor and most of them converted their religion in different faiths.. so when their 10th lost tribe can live with us peacefully why cant we and Israelis live peacefully ??? dont be a hater just give a chance for peace
in my opinion israel should not only make a good relation with KSA but also with Turkey & Pakistan.. if Israel will get success to make a good relationship with these 3 countries all the Muslims world will follow them automatically... Iran also should forget all the things and move on please for peace...
i know Israel known as backstabber in Muslims world.. and we all have fear that Israel can backstab us.. but we should give a chance for peace with them.. that's it.... why cant we live peacefully with all the faiths...
if you forgot then let me remind you that the 10 lost tribe of Jewish migrated to the region India, Pakistan, Afghanistan.. if you test their DNA they belong to Jewish ancestor and most of them converted their religion in different faiths.. so when their 10th lost tribe can live with us peacefully why cant we and Israelis live peacefully ??? dont be a hater just give a chance for peace
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Almost every Arab/Muslim country were involved in wars against Israel...
As for protecting your land... Well it's legitimate as anyone, no arguing in that.
As for KSA relationship with Israel... Let's not forget faycel view on that... And let's be honest... He was the only true Member of that family who was really against Israel.. after him... No one tried to anger Israel...
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Arabs and Jews are cousins. Most of the Jews of today are Arab Jews or Jews originally from the Arab world who look like us and who are identical to us (DNA confirmed this ages ago) expect for in religion and nowadays language. 2/3's of all Israelis are Arab Jews or partially Arab Jews. For instance what is modern-day KSA, especially Northern KSA and Hijaz, has one of the oldest traces of Jewish/Hebrew/Israelite history in the world. Muslims by large, in particular Arabs, never really had a problem with Jews as a people. This conflict is a recent thing and mainly about land.
Only the uneducated lot among us and other Muslims have a problem with Jews for being Jews. The problem is bound in politics and recent events. Not only that it is first and foremost a Palestinian and Israeli issue. It does not matter that Palestinians are Arabs de facto similar to it not being relevant that Libyans are Arabs in the Saudi Arabian-Yemeni dispute.
However I find it ridiculous that people from countries are posting fingers at a fake news (already denied by KSA) when their own countries have had much closer ties to Israel historically and even today by recognizing them, hosting their embassy, shaking hands with their worst killers (Ariel Sharon), buying their weapons, hosting their tourists etc. while pointing fingers at KSA, a country, that only has ties with Israel, by chance, due to both KSA and Israel seeing Mullah ruled Iran as a troublemaker but that is something that they share with most of the region and world for that matter hence the Mullah being isolate and sanctioned for the past 38 years along with the likes of North Korea and nowadays Russia. Ironically allies of the Mullahs!
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Ok, can you give me a kiss after I take your home, kill maybe few in your family and, let's say... Hmm... I will treat you as a subhuman...
After all that, if you can make peace with me and kiss me... Then we will see... Otherwise you can stay in you wonderland a little longer...
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Sure, but few played as big a role (politically, economically and military) as KSA. Only neighboring Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Syria played a bigger role.
Why should KSA anger Israel for the sake of it when 99,9% of all Muslim nations do not do that? If you ask an Israeli, I am sure that most of them would say that KSA, whether directly or indirectly, has caused more harm for Israel and Jews than most other countries. Just by KSA's support for Muslims across the world. For most Zionists this is a grave problem as growing Muslim communities challenge their political power in the West.
Not only that hardcore Zionists blame Saudi Arabians for Islam and call Palestinians for Arab invaders from Arabia. They do it on a daily basis.
Anyway I just found it funny that some Turk of all people, is pointing fingers when this is fake news and when KSA-Israeli relations do not even reach the knees of Israeli-Turkish relations or Iranians for that matter. It's a complete and utter joke that no sane or informed person can take seriously.
The only thing that KSA and Israel have in common with currently is that both are against the Mullah's of Iran but that is something that is shared by most of the region and world, hence Iran being a sanctioned and isolated pariah state for most of the Mullah-rule along with their allies (ironically) in the form of North Korea (where most of their reserved engineered technology comes from) or Russia, another recently sanctioned entity.
Anyway let's assume that KSA recognizes Israel tomorrow. How would that be any different from Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and a few other majority Muslim nations having full diplomatic ties with Israel and for a very long time? If you already stated that the House of Saud do not represent Islam (I agree as I don't think that any current day rulers do that) what is the problem then? Why is KSA judged by different standards from everyone else? Why the obvious hypocrisy?
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Thats not true, Bedouin. Turks and Persians have very long lists of dynasties.
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So just because the Israeli state violates the rights of Palestinians all Israelis and Jews worldwide (not even citizens of Israel) are to be blamed?
So in other words French people are free to hate and attack Tunisians because Tunisians have been involved in terrorist attacks in France (Nice etc.) and elsewhere in Europe in recent years?
Should Americans also have attacked the around 1 million Saudi Arabian students in total who have been studying in the US since the 1960's, despite only 15 of those 1 million, causing any problems in the US?
Should we not have learned to separate regimes from the ordinary people by now?
But not as many or as old as Arabs and Semites, Gypsy. There are no Bedouins in Hijaz today or historically outside of the extreme interior. Hashemites are one of the oldest recorded families in the world and they were never Bedouins either. Besides Bedouins are one of the most ancient people with a very rich culture, poetry, folklore, musical tradition and complex codes of honor. World famous for their hospitality and warrior skills. Many of the modern-day Bedouins (the few that remain) are direct descendants of the world-famous Nabateans and other ancient civilizations who left numerous World UNESCO Heritage Sites in 4 countries (KSA, Jordan, Israel, Syria) and built some of the most famous ancient settlements (Petra, Madain Saleh, Avdat, Bosra etc.). They did more than your Pahstuns did in their entire history. That's a fact.
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That must be old history, learn to live in present.
Today they are known as axis of evil.
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you will find me like Habil (the son of Adam)
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Speaking of Israel, Tunisia is one of few Arabian countries that allow Israelis to travel to, though non-Arab country such as Pakistan stands by the cause of Palestinians and doesn't allow Israelis to get to their country.
I'm just asking Tunisia to ban Israelis, not goint to war with them.
That's the least you could do for our Palestinian brothers, don't you think so?
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They have back-stabbed the Prophet (P.B.U.H) himself, let alone ordinary Muslims of today..
Egypt and Jordan's relationships with Usrael are more administrative than anything else, there are not or very few economic or scientific exchanges..Unlike Qatar and Turkey who have full fledged relationships with this illegal entity imposed on the middle east like a trojan horse of the west.. If they wanted genuine peace, they had only to accept the pre 1967 UN resolution to return all the occupied territories since 67 that were usurped by western help, and most important.. by deception and force.. and negotiate a peace deal for a two state solution.. it is that easy.. but the ones who know the history of Usrael know that any negotiations with them on the Palestinian issue are in vain, since most of their founding fathers vowed to conduct negotiations with the Arabs indefinitely to gain time and perpetuate the status quo which fits their aims in the region.. they only believe in the law of the jungle where the strongest survive best.. in other words, they believe in military strength, conflict and war.. in their many aspects, economical, cultural and military..
Europeans and Americans tolerate the Zionists in small numbers so to contain them, and allow them just enough powers to be able to use it themselves through them as a proxy..
So, this has nothing to do with hatred or subjectivity, it is all rational based on facts that call for prudence..
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In 1994, channels of communication were opened with Israel through the Belgian embassies in Tel Aviv and Tunis. Tunisian Foreign Minister Habib Ben Yahia and then-Israeli Foreign Minister Ehud Barak met in Barcelona in 1995 to expand official relations between the two countries after relations had been confined to "two communications channels" in the Belgian embassies in each of Tunis and Tel Aviv.[5] On Jan. 22, 1996, then US Secretary of State Warren Christopher announced "that for the first time Israel and Tunisia will establish official facilities called "interests sections" in each other's countries. By April 15 of this year, each nation will host representatives of the other government so as to facilitate political consultations, travel, and trade between their two countries". According to plan, Israel opened an interest office in Tunisia in April and six weeks later, in May, Tunisian diplomat Khemaies Jhinaoui went to Israel to open his country's interest office in Tel Aviv.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Tunisia_relations
@Sharif al-Hijaz haha look who is talking
about relations with Israel
and they still issues visas for the israelis
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Tu...of-Israeli-tourists-despite-opposition-350151
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