Israeli F-16I pilots get S-300 training opportunity

[SOHEIL]

Very sad they can't train with B-373 & T-3 !!!

I don't know why these idiots bothering themselves !

 

[haman10]

I don't know why these idiots bothering themselves !

Duh !

Cause they're idiots !

 

[Zarvan]

Israeli F-16I pilots get S-300 training opportunity
By: Arie Egozi
05-05-2015

The Israeli air force has used a bilateral exercise with its Greek counterpart to prepare for a potential situation where it will have to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.

In late April, the service took part in joint training with the Greek air force, which included performing missions against the nation's Russian-made S-300 surface-to-air missile system. The same equipment will soon be supplied to Iran, under a proposed deal with Moscow.

Israel deployed a force of Lockheed Martin F-16Is of at least squadron strength from several of its bases to participate in the "Iniohos" exercise. Air forcecommander Maj Gen Amir Eshel visited the manoeuvres and flew a number of missions.

Recently, the commander of Israel's Nevatim air base, Brig Gen Lihu HaCohen, said the air force is getting ready for a number of possible scenarios, including the Iranian one.

The Israeli and Greek air forces have staged a number of joint exercises over the last few years.

NATO member Greece has been in possession of S-300s since the late 1990s, andis operating theair defence system from a base in Crete. Athens is also negotiating with Russia for the purchase of additional missiles.

According to foreign sources, the Israeli air force has acquired technical data about the long-range surface-to-air missile system, and now its pilots have had a chance to simulate a scenario in which they attack a site heavily protected with the S-300 and other advanced anti-aircraft systems.

Israeli F-16I pilots get S-300 training opportunity - 5/6/2015 - Flight Global

Israeli attempt will lead to massive war and trouble for Israel

 

[syedali73]

Why the Greeks are letting IDF-AF to have a look in their S-300 system and why Russians are not apposing? What is the guarantee that Iranians will get the similar and not better/upgraded system compared to Hellenic's 15 years old system? I wonder if Russians want the IDF-AF to learn something that will later cost them (IDF-AF) dearly.

 

[SOHEIL]

What if we change its key features ?

 

[UkroTurk]

Israel uses F16 very smartly and effectvly . Another example :


The Israeli air force is developing a short field operating capability for its Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters, based on the use of a rocket-assisted take-off. A first test is scheduled for next year, with the air force having decided to develop such a system for its F-16A/B, C/D and I-model variants. asset image Rex Features Rocket assistance can be used by some military transports to provide additional thrust when an aircraft is heavy or a runway is short. As part of the new plan, rockets will be placed under the wing of the F-16 and released after they have burned out. Close attention will be paid to aircraft safety, according to an article in the Israeli air force magazine, which reports that the addition will havea "meaningful" effect on the F-16's aerodynamics. In recent years the Israeli air force has taken steps to allow uninterrupted operations in a situation where its bases come under attack. The most realistic scenario is heavy rocket attacks on its facilities, some of which were targeted during the recent Protective Edge operation in the Gaza strip. Other measures include the ability to rapidly fix damaged runways.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Why the Greeks are letting IDF-AF to have a look in their S-300 system and why Russians are not apposing? What is the guarantee that Iranians will get the similar and not better/upgraded system compared to Hellenic's 15 years old system? I wonder if Russians want the IDF-AF to learn something that will later cost them (IDF-AF) dearly.

I was thinking the same thing. Nothing like popping someones big fat ugly ego!!

This article might interest you:

Russian Missile Sale to Iran Involves Unseen Deals With Israel
by Calev Ben-DavidIlya and [URL='http://www.bloomberg.com/authors/AP8UYLyFzIc/ilya-arkhipov']Ilya Arkhipov[/URL]
May 5, 2015

Last month, when President Vladimir Putin of Russia announced plans to sell a powerful anti-missile system to Iran before the lifting of international sanctions, Israel was quick to join the U.S. in expressing shock and anger.

But behind the public announcements is a little-known web of arms negotiations and secret diplomacy. In recent years, Israel and Russia have engaged in a complex dance, with Israel selling drones to Russia while remaining conspicuously neutral toward Ukraine and hoping to stave off Iranian military development. The dance may not be over.

Critics of the Russian move say it undermines efforts to apply pressure to Iran by removing one building block of a sanctions regime that will be hard to put back together. It would also enhance Iran’s defenses against a potential U.S. or Israeli attack, as both countries have said they’d consider using force if diplomacy fails.

Israeli officials, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, warned that the missiles, known as S-300s, would provide the Islamic Republic with a military shield that would encourage further adventurism, and expressed concern they could end up in the hands of Iranian allies like Lebanon’s Hezbollah.

Others argued that the Russian move shouldn’t be taken at face value.

“The public announcement of the possible sale of S-300 to Iran is no more than a political gesture aimed at the U.S. to motivate it in restraining its arms transfers to Ukraine,” says Konstantin Makienko, deputy head of Moscow’s Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.“In any case deliveries of S-300s to Iran will remain a bargaining chip between Moscow, the United States and Israel in talks on a wide range of issues.”

Ukraine
One of those issues is Israel’s neutrality toward Ukraine, where Russian-backed separatists have waged war over the past year. Israel has held back from selling weapons to the government in Kiev, which is backed by the U.S. and European Union, in the hope of keeping Russia’s S-300s away from Iran. It’s reportedly reconsidering that position

“Israel has come under a lot of pressure for not joining the all-Western consensus on the Ukrainian crisis,” said Sarah Feinberg, a research fellow at Tel Aviv’s Institute for National Security Studies. “It was a difficult decision for the Israeli government, which was concerned about possible Russian retaliatory moves in the Mideast - such as selling the S-300 to Iran.”

On April 18 Putin cautioned Israel against selling arms to Ukraine, saying it “will only lead to yet another swirl of confrontation, to more human casualties, but the result will be the same.”

Importing Drones
Putin’s concern over Israeli arms sales to Ukraine, including drones, is not without basis. Last October, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin visited Israel and told local journalists his country was very interested in importing Israeli drones, especially to monitor ceasefire agreements with Russian-backed separatists.

Just a month earlier, Israel’s Channel 2 television reported that Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd., the country’s top producer of unmanned aerial vehicles, had agreed to sell Ukraine drones. The deal foundered over opposition from within the Israeli government, Channel 2 said, without citing sources.

An Israeli official, who was not authorized to discuss the matter on record, said the drones sale to Ukraine was quashed after Putin phoned Netanyahu to object. Netanyahu’s office, the Israeli Defense Ministry and IAI declined comment. A Putin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, didn’t reply to messages seeking comment.

While Ukraine may not have gotten the Israeli drones, Russia already has -- in an earlier deal that sources say has a direct connection with the S-300 sale.

Georgia
Russia expressed interest in buying Israeli drones after coming up against them during the 2008 war with Georgia. In 2010 Russia concluded a deal to purchase 15 of them from IAI, and to set up a joint venture to produce drone technology.

An Israeli familiar with the matter said the drone deal with Russia carried an unwritten quid pro quo: It would proceed only if the Kremlin suspended its announced S-300 sale to Iran. Now having gotten the Israeli technology, the Israeli said, that promise is no longer a factor in Russian considerations.

“Sending drones or other arms to Ukraine would be an ineffective, even inconsequential Israeli response to Russia selling the S-300s to Iran,” said Feinberg. More effective, she said, would be for Israel to lift its political neutrality on the Ukrainian conflict, or take actions in the Middle East against Russian regional allies such as the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.

50 Clients
IAI says it sells drones to 50 international clients but wouldn’t provide figures. Israel overall is the biggest global exporter of UAV products and services, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, and consultancy group Frost & Sullivan estimates that Israeli drones garnered at least $4.6 billion in export sales from 2005-2013.

On April 23 Russia did appear to backtrack somewhat on its earlier announcement of the S-300 sale to Iran, with Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov telling the Interfax news agency that delivery won’t occur soon, and would only happen after political and legal issues were resolved. In his April 16 call-in show on Russian television, Putin acknowledged that Israeli objections had scuttled a potential S-300 sale to another Mideast nation, reportedly Syria.

Russian analyst Makienko suggests that what occurred in public over the S-300 sale was essentially political theater. “It is likely that behind the curtain, the announcement of lifting the embargo on the sale of the S-300 was agreed with Israel in advance,” he said. “So Israel’s response to this Russian decision was just going through the motions.”


Russian Missile Sale to Iran Involves Unseen Deals With Israel - Bloomberg Business

Israel uses F16 very smartly and effectvly . Another example :


The Israeli air force is developing a short field operating capability for its Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters, based on the use of a rocket-assisted take-off. A first test is scheduled for next year, with the air force having decided to develop such a system for its F-16A/B, C/D and I-model variants. asset image Rex Features Rocket assistance can be used by some military transports to provide additional thrust when an aircraft is heavy or a runway is short. As part of the new plan, rockets will be placed under the wing of the F-16 and released after they have burned out. Close attention will be paid to aircraft safety, according to an article in the Israeli air force magazine, which reports that the addition will havea "meaningful" effect on the F-16's aerodynamics. In recent years the Israeli air force has taken steps to allow uninterrupted operations in a situation where its bases come under attack. The most realistic scenario is heavy rocket attacks on its facilities, some of which were targeted during the recent Protective Edge operation in the Gaza strip. Other measures include the ability to rapidly fix damaged runways.

What I have noticed about the Israelis is that they create a lot of hype around themselves, but when it comes to actual combat it's a different story.

Merkava being beaten the hell out of is just one example. Second being Arrow BMD system.

aviationweek.com/defense/israel-arrow-missile-defense-systems-faltered-204-tests

 

[Globenim]

Why does 'Israel' need to attack civilians, many bright scientists, and civilian industries in Iran in first place?

 

[Azeri440]

Why does 'Israel' need to attack civilians, many bright scientists, and civilian industries in Iran in first place?

killing of course is never justified but Iran does threaten Israel
so there is that.

Duh !

Cause they're idiots !

the "idiots" managed to build a much more successful country than yours.

 

[haman10]

killing of course is never justified but Iran does threaten Israel
so there is that.
the "idiots" managed to build a much more successful country than yours.

1-as a muslim (if you're one) who lives in a shia majority muslim nation , you should know that Israel is a occupying regime . they are occupying other people's lands .

2- mikhail gorbachev was the last president of USSR . he still was an idiot . israel is not even USSR's index finger when it comes to success . they still f-ed up .

3-Iran threatens no one . Iran threatens back . they threaten to attack our nuclear sites , we say that if you carry that out , we'll wipe out tel-aviv and haifa .

 

[Aramagedon]

Israel is a small state has no change against Iran. Any attack against Iran will send Israel to 100 years ago .

 

[Globenim]

killing of course is never justified but Iran does threaten Israel
so there is that.

And then there is the part you conventiently ommited
Iran threatens 'Israel' to retaliate if they attack.

Doesn't sound like an excuse to start an attack on Iran anymore. More like circular reasoning.

So again what is their actual reason to kill civilian scientist and destroy civilian facilities in Iran?

 

[Azeri440]

And then there is the part you conventiently ommited
Iran threatens 'Israel' to retaliate if they attack.

Doesn't sound like an excuse to start an attack on Iran anymore. More like circular reasoning.

So again what is their actual reason to kill civilian scientist and destroy civilian facilities in Iran?

The relations between the two go way back before the nuclear deal

you can check here for more info Iran–Israel relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iran isn't some peaceful nation that is getting threatened by Israel , There have been numerous terrorist attempts against Israeli assets in neighboring countries and Iran as their sponsor.

These games go 2 ways, Israel vs. Iran.

 

[Aryan122]

1-as a muslim (if you're one) who lives in a shia majority muslim nation , you should know that Israel is a occupying regime . they are occupying other people's lands .

2- mikhail gorbachev was the last president of USSR . he still was an idiot . israel is not even USSR's index finger when it comes to success . they still f-ed up .

3-Iran threatens no one . Iran threatens back . they threaten to attack our nuclear sites , we say that if you carry that out , we'll wipe out tel-aviv and haifa .

1- chenchnya and daghestan are also occupied land. Go and search six armenian vilayats. The armenian geneocide is well documented and well established. 1.5 million were killed and nearly 900 thousand people displaced from where is today eastern Turkey. Now answer this. Did these 2.5 million armenians have properties did they have lands did they have homes? Of course they did. Who took it? The turks and the kurds. Western armenia or the six armenian provinces were 5 times bigger than palestine today it is part of modern day Turkey. How about calling for Turkeys destruction how about rejecting turkey' s right to exist? Chenchnya and daghestan were occupied in 1921. In the first and second chechen war nearly 200 to 250 thousand muslims were killed. Did you even give damn? The chinese occupation of tibet is more brutal and more extreme than palestine but the mullah regim maintans good ties with china. Go and study 1934 war between saudis and yemenis and look at thr land that was occupied.


Iran threatens no one? Just in the last month how many irgc generals talked about the destruction of al saud?. As early as 1960s ayatollah khomeini in faizia madrasa talked about the destruction of israel. If u want i can show you speeches by rafsanjani as early as 1981 talking about the destruction of israel in friday prayers. General naghdi last mounth said thr destruction of israel is non negotiable.