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Israel has bought 33 F-35A conventional take off fighter aircraft, and has an option to buy 17 more, for two F-35 squadrons.
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F-35 fighter jets . (photo credit:LOCKHEED MARTIN)

Israel and the US are in talks about a potential Israeli acquisition of a squadron of F-35B vertical take off jets.
As first reported by the Walla news agency, talks over a new US decade-long defense package for Israel, starting in 2016, have expanded to include the possible acquisition of F-35B Lightning II short takeoff/vertical landing jets.
Israel has bought 33 F-35A conventional take off fighter aircraft, and has an option to buy 17 more, for two F-35 squadrons.
According to Lockheed Martin, manufacturer of the F-35, the B variant "is designed to operate from austere bases and a range of air-capable ships near front-line combat zones. It can also take off and land conventionally from longer runways on major bases." Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon and US Secretary of State Ash Carter launched talks in October on the defense package Washington will offer Israel over the next decade in the wake of the Iran nuclear deal.
Israel is keen on increasing the IDF’s offensive capabilities and maintaining its qualitative edge in light of increased regional threats, Ya'alon said at the time of his visit.
In April, Lockheed Martin officials visiting Israel said the fifth generation F-35 multi-role planes will begin arriving in Israel at the end of 2016, with the first two arriving at Nevatim airbase next December. The officials said Israel would be the first to receive the jets outside of the United States.
F-35B Rolls-Royce propulsion systems and a swiveling engine enables the short takeoff/vertical landing mode, according to the defense corporation.
The aircraft are stationed at the first operational F-35B base, Marine Corps Air Station, Yuma, Arizona, and Marine Corp Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina, where F-35B training is taking place.
Israel, US examining F-35B sale - Israel News - Jerusalem Post
 
so america gets billions of aid to israel so that israel can buy these F-35Bs.
 
The basic question is, why would IDFAF need F-35B(which has less loiter time, less fuel, less agility, less range)? why not stick with F-35A?
 
In case of a war, the IAF takeoff roads might be damaged, and in that case, the F35B could lift into the air without the need of one
But for short take off atleast it would have to run, as it can not take off vertically like harriers
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F35B is as close to a harrier, as possible.
But as far as i know, initially when Lockheed was testing the lift fan in X-35 they tried to take off vertically like harriers but aircraft began staggering around few feet above the ground, so they gave up the idea to take off vertically like harriers and decided to stick with short take off
It can, under a certain weight limit.
and what weight limits precisely! in a war day scenerio, you have to bypass certain limits sometimes, you have to fly with weapons payload! if you are saying it can take off vertically without weapons payload and less fuel load then this would be a ridiculous statement ever, no offense
 
The headline in post 1 is a bit off course. Replace 'buying' with 'to be given'. Everybody knows israel almost never buys from USA, they get it for free.
 
But as far as i know, initially when Lockheed was testing the lift fan in X-35 they tried to take off vertically like harriers but aircraft began staggering around few feet above the ground, so they gave up the idea to take off vertically like harriers and decided to stick with short take off

and what weight limits precisely! in a war day scenerio, you have to bypass certain limits sometimes, you have to fly with weapons payload! if you are saying it can take off vertically without weapons payload and less fuel load then this would be a ridiculous statement ever, no offense
you make a good point that it would be important to know exactly that, our enemies would love to know, so i doubt it will be public info for some time.
 
you make a good point that it would be important to know exactly that, our enemies would love to know, so i doubt it will be public info for some time.
waiting for that time impatiently
 
But for short take off atleast it would have to run, as it can not take off vertically like harriers
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No?

Israel’s ministry of defense today signed a €430 million procurement contract with Germany for four new patrol vessels to defend the country’s Mediterranean economic waters and offshore gas rigs. The German government will provide a €115 million grant towards the new boats.

The Sa’ar 6 patrol boats will be produced at the ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) shipyards in Kiel. TKMS is also building Dolphin submarines for the Israel Navy. The new boats will be based on the Corvette K-130 and will have an estimated weight of 2,000 tons.
Israel signs €430 million deal for German patrol vessels – Jewish Business News

The hangar is too small for standard helicopters, but the pad is large enough for Sea Kings, Lynx or NH-90s, the helicopters of the German Navy.
Braunschweig-class corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If it can handle a SeaKing, it can handle an F-35B (although I think the deck would have to be specially treated)


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But this video just shows a vertical jump, that i accept F-35B is able to do, but still the thing that this video lacks is after vertical jump, the plane doesn't start to fly in horizontal direction like harriers or yaks actually do, rather it comes back on the ground after hovering for a few seconds.
 
See at 0:47 and 2:10, flying sideways and lowering (i.e. transitioning)
You do realize it is a STOVL aircraft (as opposed to V/STOL): don't be asking a fish to climb a tree.
 
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