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Isn’t deporting the mothers of young Muslim men likely to drive extremism?

Most commenters here railing against Muslims are not Britons themselves.

If you are a non-Muslim and can't tolerate Muslims, why don't you just get lost? Do a good deed, and get lost from this forum instead of railing against Muslims all the time.

The problem with the current lot of Muslims is there is no independent, self-sufficient Muslim geopolitical power in the world. At best, there are contenders like Turkey or Iran which are no more than middleweights in a battle of superheavyweights.

That's the real problem that ails the Muslim world. The rest is just fluff.
Why do you need a muslim geopolitical power, your faith should be personal, it shouldnt be reflected in the state and politics, thats the problem..not fluff. Always looking for a reason, surely religious people should have the inner faith and power to push through any problems. Thats another topic anyway.

The reality is that alot of mainly middle aged onwards muslim women know nothing of English despite spending decades here, should they have to learn it..no, not if they dont need to use it but they should because it further increases the stereotype of muslim women being locked in their houses and having the independence of a caged animal.

Most younger women born here will still not use it alot of the time because so many of their family havent learnt the language, I used to see it everyday when I was in college and some of the muslim girls I knew would be speaking to their parents in their native language, I dont even care about integration etc its just fucking lazy at the end of the day.

As for recent arrivals, they can bugger off, your not an immigrant, there are a hundred places between Syria/Iraq that are "safe" yet they are choosing to cross countless borders of countries where they are no longer under threat and as such become economic migrants, every single immigrant who is in the UK is an economic migrant purely because they have had to enter about 20 safe counties to get here and if your coming here with that intent, then learn the language and develop local friendship as opposed to alienation. People will just get more angry when they see people who obviously arent war migrants who are earning money and most likely sending it back home whilst making zero effort to learn local languages/ways.
 
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Why do you need a muslim geopolitical power, your faith should be personal, it shouldnt be reflected in the state and politics, thats the problem..not fluff. Always looking for a reason, surely religious people should have the inner faith and power to push through any problems. Thats another topic anyway.

The reality is that alot of mainly middle aged onwards muslim women know nothing of English despite spending decades here, should they have to learn it..no, not if they dont need to use it but they should because it further increases the stereotype of muslim women being locked in their houses and having the independence of a caged animal.

Most younger women born here will still not use it alot of the time because so many of their family havent learnt the language, I used to see it everyday when I was in college and some of the muslim girls I knew would be speaking to their parents in their native language, I dont even care about integration etc its just fucking lazy at the end of the day.

As for recent arrivals, they can bugger off, your not an immigrant, there are a hundred places between Syria/Iraq that are "safe" yet they are choosing to cross countless borders of countries where they are no longer under threat and as such become economic migrants, every single immigrant who is in the UK is an economic migrant purely because they have had to enter about 20 safe counties to get here and if your coming here with that intent, then learn the language and develop local friendship as opposed to alienation. People will just get more angry when they see people who obviously arent war migrants who are earning money and most likely sending it back home whilst making zero effort to learn local languages/ways.


None of your business.

You are not a Muslim to begin with. It's our concern and we need at least one globally influential Muslim geopolitical power, and it is that deficiency which hurts the Muslim world, not anything else.

The rest of the rant, I didn't even bother to read. I don't give an eff if the whole of the UK is left as a bulk of glowing crater, just for the record. In my personal life, I don't pay much respect to the Westerners that you see most Muslims, non-Muslim non-Westerners do. That's why they bow in reverence to their colonial masters and try to appease them at every opportunity.

What is with that subservient attitude of these nonwestern members? For me, the entire US or Canada can be nuked till kingdom come, they don't matter to me. End of discussion.
 
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Why do you need a muslim geopolitical power, your faith should be personal, it shouldnt be reflected in the state and politics, thats the problem..not fluff. Always looking for a reason, surely religious people should have the inner faith and power to push through any problems. Thats another topic anyway.

The reality is that alot of mainly middle aged onwards muslim women know nothing of English despite spending decades here, should they have to learn it..no, not if they dont need to use it but they should because it further increases the stereotype of muslim women being locked in their houses and having the independence of a caged animal.

Most younger women born here will still not use it alot of the time because so many of their family havent learnt the language, I used to see it everyday when I was in college and some of the muslim girls I knew would be speaking to their parents in their native language, I dont even care about integration etc its just fucking lazy at the end of the day.

As for recent arrivals, they can bugger off, your not an immigrant, there are a hundred places between Syria/Iraq that are "safe" yet they are choosing to cross countless borders of countries where they are no longer under threat and as such become economic migrants, every single immigrant who is in the UK is an economic migrant purely because they have had to enter about 20 safe counties to get here and if your coming here with that intent, then learn the language and develop local friendship as opposed to alienation. People will just get more angry when they see people who obviously arent war migrants who are earning money and most likely sending it back home whilst making zero effort to learn local languages/ways.

I can go through Brampton, Mississauga, Scarborough & Markham, Ont to name some of the cities in Canada and find Indians, Sri Lankans,Chinese and other Nationalities That don't speak a word of English young and old, men or women.
 
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Most commenters here railing against Muslims are not Britons themselves.

If you are a non-Muslim and can't tolerate Muslims, why don't you just get lost? Do a good deed, and get lost from this forum instead of railing against Muslims all the time.

The problem with the current lot of Muslims is there is no independent, self-sufficient Muslim geopolitical power in the world. At best, there are contenders like Turkey or Iran which are no more than middleweights in a battle of superheavyweights.

That's the real problem that ails the Muslim world. The rest is just fluff.

So,basically they're butthurt that there's no muslim superpower so they're taking it out on the rest of the world.

If everyone else on this planet would pay 1 trillion $ to create a muslim empire from Morrocco to Indonesia would they be happy ?
 
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So,basically they're butthurt that there's no muslim superpower so they're taking it out on the rest of the world.

If everyone else on this planet would pay 1 trillion $ to create a muslim empire from Morrocco to Indonesia would they be happy ?

I don't argue with non-intelligent people. Goes to my ignore list.
 
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None of your business.

You are not a Muslim to begin with. It's our concern and we need at least one globally influential Muslim geopolitical power, and it is that deficiency which hurts the Muslim world, not anything else.

The rest of the rant, I didn't even bother to read. I don't give an eff if the whole of the UK is left as a bulk of glowing crater, just for the record. In my personal life, I don't pay much respect to the Westerners that you see most Muslims, non-Muslim non-Westerners do. That's why they bow in reverence to their colonial masters and try to appease them at every opportunity.

What is with that subservient attitude of these nonwestern members? For me, the entire US or Canada can be nuked till kingdom come, they don't matter to me. End of discussion.


HAHAHA,and he's living in France telling the rest of us to "bugger off".Why don't you take your own advice and crawl back to the desert .
 
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"Isn’t deporting the mothers of young Muslim men likely to drive extremism?"

Lol, at the title... so, a Muslim is prone to blow himself up when he faces injustice ? Kind of discriminating title from the newspaper.
 
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An idiotic rule. U should have made the rule when the wife lands at britain or at best at the British Embassy of the host nation.
U can even ask them to have IELTS to score a minimum marks. Now after becoming mothers will they asked to go ?

Love is more important than language and threats to get separated from family is a worst form of mental violence.

Bad Law UK :tdown:
 
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A lot of wives from 'traditional' Muslim families in the UK do not get the chance to go to college or school to improve/learn English due to the 'traditional' mentality of the husbands. Not only is this proposal going to allow these women to learn English, it will also allow them to become more independent of there husbands.

Also if your wife/mother is brought into the UK with a spousal visa , and your intentions are to not allow that women to from learn what it is to be a brit, you are already an extremist; so that person shouldn't be here too.

No, you will hear some extremists claiming our government trying to facilitate Muslim women to learn English,emancipate and be more independent from their husbands is a crime against Islam and its values/beliefs. lool We should let their women live a secluded life far away from British values and what we stand for. Any talk of trying to make them integrate is anti Islam. So good luck to our government if they think this policy will succeed. lol
It will only succeed if they threaten to deport these Muslim husbands who prevent their wives from learning English for fear that they might become more outspoken and independent from them. So it's the husbands that we should be targeting not the women/wives since most of them are merely subservient to their husbands and they always 'do as they are told' else face the consequences(and we all know what that usually means. lol). its the case in most of their home countries. So we shouldn't target the women IMO. Since the choice isn't theirs to make. It's the husband that is the ABSOLUTE KING in their household/society. What else can the women do??:meeting:

Moreover, this laws should apply to every migrant here who doesn't speak/have English as their first language not just Muslims.
 
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Moreover, this laws should apply to every migrant here who doesn't speak/have English as their first language not just Muslims.

100% agree if you going to live in a different country thats a Basic thing you need to do ...
 
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Young Muslim women speak to David Cameron at the Jamia Masjid mosque in Manchester in 2013. He has said Muslim women who cannot speak English will be 'susceptible' to Isis Rex Features
The most obvious flaw in David Cameron’s extremism plan is this. What seems to you more likely to radicalise a young British Muslim: having a mother around the house who does not speak very good English, or having that same mother deported, because of the fact she struggles with the language? I don’t think it is a hard question.
What I object to is the use of counter-extremism as a shield for policy-making that has ulterior motives, and may backfire entirely. Forcing recent arrivals to take an English test after two-and-a-half years looks very much like a measure to reassure white voters that the government is “tough” on immigration and terrorism (the two issues that top the list of public concerns, according to the latest polling).

Isn’t deporting the mothers of young Muslim men likely to drive extremism? | Voices | The Independent

WHAT CRAP THIS LAW IS NOT MUSLIM CENTRIC BUT APPLIES TO ALL IMMIGRANTS INCLUDING HINDUS AND JAINS ETC. BUT I SEE MUSLIMS ONLY CRYING? WILL PAKISTAN ALLOW FELLOW PAKISTANI TO DRINK ALCOHOL IN THE OPEN LEGALLY FORGET ABOUT SHARIAH WHEN THEY LIVE THERE? BOTTOM LINE DON'T GO TO ANY COUNTRY WHICH YOU DO NOT WISH TO INTEGRATE IN !
 
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