Islamophobia [Dedicated Thread]

[EjazR]

@harpoon

So you are willing to listen to the fringe fanatics among Muslims but not the mainstream because what you are saying is basically what a fringe would say and even then , they might not agree in all of them.

I don't see majority of Muslims blaming all Jews and Christians either. And besides south Asia, most Muslims might not even have any acquaintance of who Hindus are.

The problem is that some people take criticism of Israeli actions or criticsm of Israelis who support those actions as criticism of Judaism or Jews which is wrong. Similarly, there are some muslims and probably non-muslims who see the conflict as a Muslim Jewish conflict instead of an Arab-Israeli conflict which what it is in reality.

Otherwise, Jews are the closest in religious practices to Muslims. Muslims can eat kosher while many Jews eat halal food. Strict monotheism, following religious laws like halakah for jews or shariah for Muslims and spiritual paths like kabbalah for jews and sufism for Muslims are some of the many common aspects that are present. One of the reason why many of the early Jewish migrants and traders that came to India use to live in predominantly Muslim enclaves as they felt more comfortable there.

The last 60-70 years of conflict is basically an anomaly for Jews and Arabs compared to the past 100s of years of Jewish conflict in Christian countries in Europe for example.


There is an undercurrent of Islamphobia post 9/11 and almost all sane people admit to it. This does not mean everyone in the west or Europe is Islamphobic just as there is latent antisemitism but not everyone in Europe or the West is anti-semitic. Infact, some of the leading people who fight against Islamphobia and antisemitism are non-muslims and non-jews respectively.

 

[Farooq]

Pat Condell
Anne Coulter [the playboy model LOL]
Michael Savage [Savage, he sure is]

are just some of the famous Islamophobes. Search them on Youtube, the videos are hilarious. People actually fall for their bullshit.

Freekin,

Believe it or not, I have met Savage

 

[foxbat]

@harpoon

So you are willing to listen to the fringe fanatics among Muslims but not the mainstream because what you are saying is basically what a fringe would say and even then , they might not agree in all of them.

I don't see majority of Muslims blaming all Jews and Christians either. And besides south Asia, most Muslims might not even have any acquaintance of who Hindus are.

The problem is that some people take criticism of Israeli actions or criticsm of Israelis who support those actions as criticism of Judaism or Jews which is wrong. Similarly, there are some muslims and probably non-muslims who see the conflict as a Muslim Jewish conflict instead of an Arab-Israeli conflict which what it is in reality.

Otherwise, Jews are the closest in religious practices to Muslims. Muslims can eat kosher while many Jews eat halal food. Strict monotheism, following religious laws like halakah for jews or shariah for Muslims and spiritual paths like kabbalah for jews and sufism for Muslims are some of the many common aspects that are present. One of the reason why many of the early Jewish migrants and traders that came to India use to live in predominantly Muslim enclaves as they felt more comfortable there.

The last 60-70 years of conflict is basically an anomaly for Jews and Arabs compared to the past 100s of years of Jewish conflict in Christian countries in Europe for example.


There is an undercurrent of Islamphobia post 9/11 and almost all sane people admit to it. This does not mean everyone in the west or Europe is Islamphobic just as there is latent antisemitism but not everyone in Europe or the West is anti-semitic. Infact, some of the leading people who fight against Islamphobia and antisemitism are non-muslims and non-jews respectively.

So true.. At the end of it, its all about a vocal and extremist minority screwing over a silent majority in virtually every religion and society of the world. The meek shall inherit the Earth.. MY A$$

 

[JayAtl]

Well I'm speaking my mind, so take it as you want to, i just wanted to speak what's at lest on my mind on this topic.

Tell me when the govt of Pakistan and other islamist countries bow and cower to the extremist through reneging on banning of the blasphemy laws and other such barbaric laws alike - how can you with any sincerity expect the world not to see all Muslims in Islamic countries ( this does not happen among Indian Muslims) as complacent through their silence?

I was shocked to read no outrage over mukhti ben ( is that the correct name?)rapists going free on PDF here - apparently only one = gang rape I suppose per their sharia judicial math.

The onus has to be on the silent majority with their deafing silence.

what I'm saying is , it's time the Muslims in such counties stop hiding behind the veil of silence and expecting that the rest of the world to not look at these islamist 'constitutionally' run countries and go - well seems like they are for it.this does not mean there is no Islamophobia, rather I'm trying to show some of the underpinnings of where it comes from.

 

[sur]

 

[ephone]

Before you accuse other islamphobia, why don't you exam within yourself what you and people from your religion have done to either strengthen or relieve such belief???

Are such islamphobia warranted or coming from nowhere???

What have your religious scholars done to relieve such islamphobia when those terrorists are on attacks??? What have they done to condemn those terrorists and condemn those (e.g. some imams) who keep recruiting suicide bombers and spreading hatred even when they enjoy the freedom in the west???

Clean yourself first before you start your attack.

 

[Banana]

Before you accuse other islamphobia, why don't you exam within yourself what you and people from your religion have done to either strengthen or relieve such belief???

Are such islamphobia warranted or coming from nowhere???

What have your religious scholars done to relieve such islamphobia when those terrorists are on attacks??? What have they done to condemn those terrorists and condemn those (e.g. some imams) who keep recruiting suicide bombers and spreading hatred even when they enjoy the freedom in the west???

Clean yourself first before you start your attack.

You will be soon asked to change your flags

 

[FreekiN]

Freekin,

Believe it or not, I have met Savage

Tell us about it

 

[ephone]

You will be soon asked to change your flags

There are idiots who have done that as well. They even accuse me that I am not a Chinese and show them the proof that I know how to read and write Chinese and etc.

What can I do? There are idiots everywhere.

 

[Dalai Lama]

^^^

Congrats on 1,000 posts...

 

[saleen_s7]

The rise of Islamophobia can be solely blamed on the European Governments policies. They have let the low/uneducated class of people from Islamic societies into their country and let fundamentalism grow under its nose. Now, few people in this forum has posted few so called "facts" that islamophobia is not a real phobia and there is genuine reason to be scared of this religion. Off course, I can use such "facts" even against the black by comparing them with african countries and the crime committed by the blacks, but I will be automatically labelled a racist. This facts serve no purpose other than to instigate and dehumanise a minority population. You can do a google search on nazi propaganda and you will find how nazis used such facts and footages to show how the jewish people always lived in slums and how they were culturally inferior. Matter of fact, all great thinkers and philosophers during that in Germany were anti semitic to a certain point.
Anyways, there is two sides of this story. On one side, normal, ordinary muslims suffering for the actions of the other. On the other side, just a normal walk on a typical day in east london will give you more than enough reasons to be Islamophobic. The truth is, the innocent muslims have suffered by far from the actions of few than any other race or religion.

 

[EjazR]

This is really funny but also sad and true.

(In)famous duo Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer are claiming that there is a vehicular "Jihad" plot were muslims are intentionally crashing their car into other people to kill them.

Must read
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Discover Muslim Vehicular Jihad Plot

 

[T-Rex]

This is really funny but also sad and true.

(In)famous duo Pamela Gellar and Robert Spencer are claiming that there is a vehicular "Jihad" plot were muslims are intentionally crashing their car into other people to kill them.

Must read
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Discover Muslim Vehicular Jihad Plot

There are those who claim that some want to wage a nuclear crusade against the Muslims and Mr. Breivik has added credence to that claim.

 

[ovarel]

i think all this slur to islam and muslims is because of israel..if islamophobia takes place in the west,then they wont mind israeli massacres since people killed by israel are all "muslim scums"..anti-islam propagandists dont care about religions,its all about politics.. just my two cents.

 

[Cloakedvessel]

They have let the low/uneducated class of people from Islamic societies into their country and let fundamentalism grow under its nose. .
Anyways, there is two sides of this story. On one side, normal, ordinary muslims suffering for the actions of the other. On the other side, just a normal walk on a typical day in east london will give you more than enough reasons to be Islamophobic. The truth is, the innocent muslims have suffered by far from the actions of few than any other race or religion.

Good point.

'No **** or prostitution': Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities

Islamic extremists have launched a poster campaign across the UK proclaiming areas where Sharia law enforcement zones have been set up.
Communities have been bombarded with the posters, which read: ‘You are entering a Sharia-controlled zone – Islamic rules enforced.’
The bright yellow messages daubed on bus stops and street lamps have already been seen across certain boroughs in London and order that in the ‘zone’ there should be ‘no gambling’, ‘no music or concerts’, ‘no **** or prostitution’, ‘no drugs or smoking’ and ‘no alcohol’.

Hate preacher Anjem Choudary has claimed responsibility for the scheme, saying he plans to flood specific Muslim and non-Muslim communities around the UK and ‘put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term’.
In the past week, dozens of streets in the London boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham have been targeted, raising fears that local residents may be intimidated or threatened for flouting ‘Islamic rules’.


Choudary, who runs the banned militant group Islam4UK, warned: ‘We now have hundreds if not thousands of people up and down the country willing to go out and patrol the streets for us and a print run of between 10,000 and 50,000 stickers ready for distribution.
‘There are 25 areas around the country which the Government has earmarked as areas where violent extremism is a problem

We are going to go to all these same areas and implement our own Sharia-controlled zones.
‘This is the best way for dealing with drunkenness and loutishness, prostitution and the sort of thug life attitude you get in British cities.’

The former lawyer added: ‘This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, pornography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes – the fruits if you like of Western civilisation.
‘We want to run the area as a Sharia-controlled zone and really to put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term.’
Scotland Yard is now working with local councils to remove the posters and identify those responsible for putting them up.
Choudary said he was organising a protest against the Far Right in Waltham Forest this weekend following last Friday’s killing spree in Norway by anti-Islamic gunman Anders Breivik.

He said: ‘We are going to put the events in Oslo on the agenda. We are going to be marching and addressing this issue. It is a whole new scenario now. The Muslim community needs to be vigilant. There is an undercurrent against Islam.
‘I do believe a Norway-style attack could happen here.’
The campaign comes just months after stickers proclaiming a ‘gay-free zone’ and appearing to reference the religious Islamic text of the Koran appeared in Tower Hamlets.

Women in parts of East London including Tower Hamlets have been threatened with violence and even death by Islamic extremists if they did not wear headscarves.
James Brandon, of the anti-extremism think-tank the Quilliam Foundation, which has dubbed the intimidation the work of ‘Talibanesque thugs’, said: ‘This is a small group which is not representative of these communities.
‘It’s great news that the police have decided to investigate this. This has the potential to divide communities and upset people.’
Yesterday the leader of Waltham Forest Council, Chris Robbins, said: ‘As soon as we heard about these posters we worked over the weekend to take them all down.
‘Since then we have been going through our CCTV images and working with the police to try to identify the culprits. Our policy is to use the full extent of our powers to prosecute any offenders.
‘People should not get the wrong idea about our borough because a handful of small-minded idiots, who do not live here, decide to deface our streets with ridiculous posters.’


Anjem Choudary and Islamic extremists set up Sharia law zones in UK cities | Mail Online