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Have you ever been to USA? A country is made of all sorts. And enjoy the fun time with BD immigrants. I am sure you can reflect on the 1971 "tight embrace of brotherhood" you guys had.
Yeah .. A country is made of all sorts. And it's you who should realize that before making racist and hate posts.
I think Pakistan should also reflect on 1971 just like us. There are many lessons to be learned.
And I visit every year. Pump some money into the local economy and sponsor certain political party.
Oh thats good..
 
Yeah .. A country is made of all sorts. And it's you who should realize that before making racist and hate posts.
I think Pakistan should also reflect on 1971 just like us. There are many lessons to be learned.

Oh thats good..

Mine is only reaction to incessant, all prevailing referance to Pakistani's as *Pork" or *Pak* or failed etc and other inventive vulgarties that Indian's employ as standard practice in addition to pontificating and looking down as if India's is some first world haven by cherrypicking from 5% cream from the 1.27 billion putrid swamp.

Mine is a ungentle reminder. Good day to you.
 
Mine is only reaction to incessant, all prevailing referance to Pakistani's as *Pork" or *Pak* or failed etc and other inventive vulgarties that Indian's employ as standard practice in addition to pontificating and looking down as if India's is some first world haven by cherrypicking from 5% cream from the 1.27 billion putrid swamp.
Yeah a lot of Indian posters are also really abusive. I'm not here to defend them. Just saying your posts are sometimes racist in nature even after being a TTA.
 
It is for their governments to decide whether to allow Syrian refugees or not. Some nobody making funny statements does not carry any weight. Their countries are secular countries, not Christian theocracies. Hungary has fenced it's borders, other European countries are not answerable to Hungary, they make their own choices - Their democracies have made a decision to allow refugees on humanitarian grounds which must be respected. If you don't want them, protest to your government.
 

Oooops. Did not know if they were any of these savages about ( below ) my apologies. Don't please slice my head off. I will agree to give handsome amount of "Danegeld" in return for keeping attached head :enjoy:

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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...as-never-part-of-Europe-Hungary-s-Orban-.html

Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban defended his hardline stance against refugees, the vast majority of whom are Muslim, saying in an interview published Friday that Islam “has never been part of Europe”.

Speaking to Germany’s Focus news weekly about the record migrant influx, he said “the language of the European elite is ideological and dogmatic”.

“Islam has never been part of Europe, it came to us,” Orban told Focus in an interview to be published in full Saturday.

He conceded that Germany’s Turkish migrants, who arrived in their tens of thousands from the 1960s for work, now “belong to German history and therefore Europe’s too”.

“But spiritually, Islam was never part of Europe. It’s the rulebook of another world,” said Orban.

He also hit out at France and Germany for refusing to countenance “any doubts” over a multicultural society.

“We in Hungary decide what we want or don’t want. We don’t want that,” he said.

By that logic Christianity also come from same (another world) and as per that logic “has never been part of Europe”. Idiots are everywhere
 
I agree with you on most parts.It's exactly what Orban stated,"Islam is the rue book of another world".

Yeah, but what does Orban and Europeans like yourself plan to do about it?

I have talked to some people who were willing to do a mass genocide (holocaust) of Muslim Europeans or mass expulsions. Now, these two options seem to be fastest way to "cleanse" Europe but tell me, how realistic it is to do a genocide/expulsion of around 40 million to 45 million people, especially when these people belong to a global civilization present, literally, everywhere? Muslims aren't Jews of 1939, you know. Imagine some European states explicitly starting killing of Muslim Turks in Germanic regions of Europe. Do you think Turkey---with its massive modern military and huge intelligence network---will just sit there and watch? You think the United States would just sit there and watch Europe being taken over by anti-American, anti-globalization, most likely ultra pro-Russian, genocidal maniac rightwing forces?

Islam is the only civilization that is so global and so mainstream and yet it has maintained its traditional outlook, culture, traditions, societal interaction, sanctity of marriage, somewhat rejection of hedonism, explicit rejection of "gay rights" and non-traditional/weird sexual norms, and so on--and has modernized itself to get integration into global stream of wealth, finance, trade, and so on. It is due to this critical advantage over other defeated-to-globalization entity that, unlike India, China, Europe, and Americas---Islamic World is spreading and expanding on global scale. Even a modern, "secular" and "European" Muslim state like Turkey has maintained great values, healthy marriage rates, and fertility rates of more than 2.1 kids per woman--and adds around 1 million of indigenous people of Turkey into its population stream and enjoys great and dynamic growth.

If Europe had done the above, it wouldn't be needing so many immigrants to sustain itself--you know.

This is the reason even ultra national Jobbik party of Hungary has nothing but admiration for this aspect of Islam and its civilization

"Meanwhile the globalism had worn out the great states of Asia. Russia, Japan, China and India seem to have kept their traditionalisms, but these are only surface lights beneath which in the depths, the worm of neo-liberalism rots the societies. The signs of internal decay are obvious and it is only a matter of time till the ulcer will be unambiguous and visible. From this perspective Africa has no power; Australia and South-America suffer from perplexed identity due to their much congested societies. Considering all this, there’s only one culture left which seeks to preserve its traditions: it is the Islamic world. And of course I do not favour suicide bombers and ruthless wars but at the same time I declare that today the mankind’s last remaining bastions of traditional culture- experiencing the transcendent in everyday life- is the Islamic world. I say this as a Roman Catholic man.) Its success or failure, in the relation of the Islam and America/Israel is not as important for me as from the aspect of mankind. If Islam fails the lights will completely go out. There will be no foeman against the darkness of globalism. Then the history will really come to an end and there will be no happy end...."

Read full on official site of Jobbik...

Vona Gábor about the Islam | jobbik.com

The problem from your perspective arises when Muslims, who are probably so proud of their religion/culture/civilization that it touches borderline cultural supremacism, strive to keep their own culture and maintain their traditional life and outlook even within European mainland. Seeing Hijabs, Halal food, Mosques, Arabic, rejection of drugs/alcohol, and strict rules regarding interaction of men-women, extreme adherence to their religion, and violent blow backs to events like Prophet's caricatures is something that, as a European, makes you uncomfortable since its kind of foreign to you. I get it. However, don't you want Europeans to be like that too when it comes to their own indigenous culture? Not that Europeans start fighting over Christianity, but I'm sure you want Europe to preserve its culture, be proud of itself and its traditions, go back to its traditions of nurturing family, respecting marriage, and so on.

So now, two things will happen--either Muslim of Europe will slowly become more European and will become integrated into European lifestyle---while maintaining their identity and culture but not 100%. ( I think this is more likely option as always minority is influenced by majority).

OR

Europeans will become more like Muslims and start to be more traditional Europeans in their worldview and lifestyle.

Either of the two is good for Europe, won't you say?

In the end, I see Europe and Islam getting integrated in mainland Europe like it has never happened before. Imagine European and Islamic ancestors of past centuries---who amongst them would have thought about the possibility of such integration in European continent between Islamic peoples/Civilization and European peoples/Culture on such a big level?
 
Yeah, but what does Orban and Europeans like yourself plan to do about it?

I have talked to some people who were willing to do a mass genocide (holocaust) of Muslim Europeans or mass expulsions. Now, these two options seem to be fastest way to "cleanse" Europe but tell me, how realistic it is to do a genocide/expulsion of around 40 million to 45 million people, especially when these people belong to a global civilization present, literally, everywhere? Muslims aren't Jews of 1939, you know. Imagine some European states explicitly starting killing of Muslim Turks in Germanic regions of Europe. Do you think Turkey---with its massive modern military and huge intelligence network---will just sit there and watch? You think the United States would just sit there and watch Europe being taken over by anti-American, anti-globalization, most likely ultra pro-Russian, genocidal maniac rightwing forces?

Islam is the only civilization that is so global and so mainstream and yet it has maintained its traditional outlook, culture, traditions, societal interaction, sanctity of marriage, somewhat rejection of hedonism, explicit rejection of "gay rights" and non-traditional/weird sexual norms, and so on--and has modernized itself to get integration into global stream of wealth, finance, trade, and so on. It is due to this critical advantage over other defeated-to-globalization entity that, unlike India, China, Europe, and Americas---Islamic World is spreading and expanding on global scale. Even a modern, "secular" and "European" Muslim state like Turkey has maintained great values, healthy marriage rates, and fertility rates of more than 2.1 kids per woman--and adds around 1 million of indigenous people of Turkey into its population stream and enjoys great and dynamic growth.

If Europe had done the above, it wouldn't be needing so many immigrants to sustain itself--you know.

This is the reason even ultra national Jobbik party of Hungary has nothing but admiration for this aspect of Islam and its civilization

"Meanwhile the globalism had worn out the great states of Asia. Russia, Japan, China and India seem to have kept their traditionalisms, but these are only surface lights beneath which in the depths, the worm of neo-liberalism rots the societies. The signs of internal decay are obvious and it is only a matter of time till the ulcer will be unambiguous and visible. From this perspective Africa has no power; Australia and South-America suffer from perplexed identity due to their much congested societies. Considering all this, there’s only one culture left which seeks to preserve its traditions: it is the Islamic world. And of course I do not favour suicide bombers and ruthless wars but at the same time I declare that today the mankind’s last remaining bastions of traditional culture- experiencing the transcendent in everyday life- is the Islamic world. I say this as a Roman Catholic man.) Its success or failure, in the relation of the Islam and America/Israel is not as important for me as from the aspect of mankind. If Islam fails the lights will completely go out. There will be no foeman against the darkness of globalism. Then the history will really come to an end and there will be no happy end...."

Read full on official site of Jobbik...

Vona Gábor about the Islam | jobbik.com

The problem from your perspective arises when Muslims, who are probably so proud of their religion/culture/civilization that it touches borderline cultural supremacism, strive to keep their own culture and maintain their traditional life and outlook even within European mainland. Seeing Hijabs, Halal food, Mosques, Arabic, rejection of drugs/alcohol, and strict rules regarding interaction of men-women, extreme adherence to their religion, and violent blow backs to events like Prophet's caricatures is something that, as a European, makes you uncomfortable since its kind of foreign to you. I get it. However, don't you want Europeans to be like that too when it comes to their own indigenous culture? Not that Europeans start fighting over Christianity, but I'm sure you want Europe to preserve its culture, be proud of itself and its traditions, go back to its traditions of nurturing family, respecting marriage, and so on.

So now, two things will happen--either Muslim of Europe will slowly become more European and will become integrated into European lifestyle---while maintaining their identity and culture but not 100%. ( I think this is more likely option as always minority is influenced by majority).

OR

Europeans will become more like Muslims and start to be more traditional Europeans in their worldview and lifestyle.

Either of the two is good for Europe, won't you say?

In the end, I see Europe and Islam getting integrated in mainland Europe like it has never happened before. Imagine European and Islamic ancestors of past centuries---who amongst them would have thought about the possibility of such integration in European continent between Islamic peoples/Civilization and European peoples/Culture on such a big level?

Explain why no Christians are currently living in 7th century mindsets.
Explain why Christians are not fighting other Christians just because they follow a different branch (excluding the whole Ireland Issue)
Explain why muslims are immigrating to Christian lands
Explain why Christian empires are the pinnacle of civilization.
Explain why Christian countries are ahead in technology, research, and education.
When was the last time Christian extremists beheaded people of other religions or different branch of the same religion.
Explain why there are far higher freedom(cultural, religious,etc) in christian countries.
Explain why you aren't living in Dubai, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, etc.
Explain why you wrote a biased plethora of garbage, addressing Islam, but reluctantly left out the flaws of Islam.
Explain why Christian countries are taking in Muslim refugees while muslim countries barely even make an effort.
Explain the benefits of Christianity and how it has shaped the modern world compared to islam.
Explain why Muslim countries are in a state of war and turmoil
Explain why there isn't a Christain country that is a third world
Explain why you bring up the past scientific contributions of islam but ignore the future contributions of christianity
 
Explain why no Christians are currently living in 7th century mindsets.
Explain why Christians are not fighting other Christians just because they follow a different branch (excluding the whole Ireland Issue)
Explain why muslims are immigrating to Christian lands
Explain why Christian empires are the pinnacle of civilization.
Explain why Christian countries are ahead in technology, research, and education.
When was the last time Christian extremists beheaded people of other religions or different branch of the same religion.
Explain why there are far higher freedom(cultural, religious,etc) in christian countries.
Explain why you aren't living in Dubai, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, etc.
Explain why you wrote a biased plethora of garbage, addressing Islam, but reluctantly left out the flaws of Islam.
Explain why Christian countries are taking in Muslim refugees while muslim countries barely even make an effort.
Explain the benefits of Christianity and how it has shaped the modern world compared to islam.
Explain why Muslim countries are in a state of war and turmoil
Explain why there isn't a Christain country that is a third world
Explain why you bring up the past scientific contributions of islam but ignore the future contributions of christianity

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What a load of crap. Are you some sort of delusional indian christian or something?

"Christian empires"?

No "christian" country that is "third world"?

Dude, there's barely any christian countries left in the world. Show me a 'Christian nation' where lifestyle, laws, culture, and worldview is derived from Christianity explicitly? Show me one major/important country that is 'christian' country?

Don't yell at me for christianity's destruction, humiliation, and decline. Its not my fault. Western world itself chose to throw christianity out of their public lives...adapt secular/godless goverments and institutions, and their culture/lifestyle followed and became hedonistic.

Now please stop quoting me unless you have some constructive thing to add to the conversation
 
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

What a load of crap. Are you some sort of delusional indian christian or something?

"Christian empires"?

No "christian" country that is "third world"?

Dude, there's barely any christian countries left in the world. Show me a 'Christian nation' where lifestyle, laws, culture, and worldview is derived from Christianity explicitly? Show me one major/important country that is 'christian' country?

Don't yell at me for christianity's destruction, humiliation, and decline. Its not my fault. Western world itself chose to throw christianity out of their public lives...adapt secular/godless goverments and institutions, and their culture/lifestyle followed and became hedonistic.

Now please stop quoting me unless you have some constructive thing to add to the conversation

So the vast number of Americans are what? Muslims? Why are you living in America? Why aren't you living in a country where Islam is dominant?
 
OMG i am dying. :lol:

What is there to laugh? I mean, we aren't talking about 'french' here who'll just sit and let Nazis destroy their a$$es...:lol:

Seriously though, the biggest LOL is @ punny elements of punny little European states (everyone expect France, Germany, UK) who dream of "pure" EUROPA and destruction of Islam in Europe etc.

Turks would probably over-run them faster than French surrendering..hehe..

Anyways, Europe doesn't have the energy to even try to do any more genocides. Whats the average age in Germany again?

So the vast number of Americans are what? Muslims? Why are you living in America? Why aren't you living in a country where Islam is dominant?

Vast number of Americans are also "white"---does that mean that U.S is an ethnic white state? :lol:

People here don't give a sh!t about christianity (except few crazies of South). Drugs, alcohol, sex before marriage, kids out of wedlock, greed, luxury etc are the daily lifestyle of the Americans. How "christian"...LOL! Majority of Americans aren't even christian--believe me. They just get "registered" as christians cuz their 'heritage' is christian.

And I'm living in America because its the best country in the world. Problem?
 
What is there to laugh? I mean, we aren't talking about 'french' here who'll just sit and let Nazis destroy their a$$es...:lol:

Seriously though, the biggest LOL is @ punny elements of punny little European states (everyone expect France, Germany, UK) who dream of "pure" EUROPA and destruction of Islam in Europe etc.

Turks would probably over-run them faster than French surrendering..hehe..

Anyways, Europe doesn't have the energy to even try to do any more genocides. Whats the average age in Germany again?

There is much to laugh about in your dellusional posts,starting from the fact that you think that muslims hold some sort of power in Europe and they're not just a fringe minority ,to the fact of calling states like Italy,Spain,Poland,Netherlands,etc-puny,ending with the grand joke that Turkey could actually be a threat to Europe

And no,look at the mood,the right,the extreme right is rising,we won't just take it lying down as you suggested,Islam almost overran the entire continent a few hundred years ago but it was pushed back.

We have the right to live according to our laws,laws that are in their majority accepted by Europeans ,from Ireland to Bulgaria despite ethnic differences.We don't have to bend over for a minority with awkward (to us) religious zeal.
 
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...as-never-part-of-Europe-Hungary-s-Orban-.html

Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban defended his hardline stance against refugees, the vast majority of whom are Muslim, saying in an interview published Friday that Islam “has never been part of Europe”.

Speaking to Germany’s Focus news weekly about the record migrant influx, he said “the language of the European elite is ideological and dogmatic”.

“Islam has never been part of Europe, it came to us,” Orban told Focus in an interview to be published in full Saturday.

He conceded that Germany’s Turkish migrants, who arrived in their tens of thousands from the 1960s for work, now “belong to German history and therefore Europe’s too”.

“But spiritually, Islam was never part of Europe. It’s the rulebook of another world,” said Orban.

He also hit out at France and Germany for refusing to countenance “any doubts” over a multicultural society.

“We in Hungary decide what we want or don’t want. We don’t want that,” he said.
yeah and jesus was a white european with blond hair and blue eyes :cheesy:
besides refugees don't want to go to hungary or poor eastern europe any way
 
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