ISIS is not our adversary,” wherever Turkey is, ISIS will be active

[Saddam Hussein]

Arab nationalism loool joke of the century.

Not a joke, as we have already partially Arabized you!

Muahhahahhaa, you will never get rid ofi t.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

In his remarks at the British Royal Institute for International Studies (Chatham House) in 2014, former Turkish President Abdullah Gul did not hesitate to express his reassurance from his ISIS neighbor, describing it as "a political movement, not a religious one, and not an ideological threat to Turkey." While this movement, according to the Turkish vision, was expanding its spread in Syria and Iraq, revealing its alleged maps that include most of the world.

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This statement of the President of Turkey at the time revealed the extent of the relationship and the size of the relationship between ISIS and Turkey in Iraq and Syria, and similar schemes for both parties where ISIS seeks to control the countries and regions within its map and at the same time Turkey is seeking Erdogan to control the same sites in order to implement the map of their Ottoman ancestors, even the maps almost similar to each other.

The Turkish consulate and ISIS in Mosul were not adversaries

At the time of the sudden invasion of ISIS mercenaries and the rapid control of the Iraqi city of Mosul in June 2014, everyone was watching the movement of the Turkish consulate in the city, where everyone there was alert and withdrew as only consular members remained quiet in the vicinity of igniting, and in this context Turkish media revealed a copy of an official document sent by the Turkish consul in the Iraqi city of Mosul to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in his country, he warned that “the situation in Mosul is getting worse.” As ISIS advanced, the sources quoted by the document said that the response was not delayed and read as follows: It is not our opponent.”

International reports and newspapers talked about the role of Turkey in smuggling al-Qaeda elements to Syria and facilitating their passage in the north of Syria, and support the mercenaries to fight the Kurds, and stressed that Ankara turned a blind eye to the flow of thousands of foreign mercenaries from all countries of the world, especially the Islamic world across its borders, on its way to fight alongside Rebels in Syria, to accelerate the overthrow of the Syrian regime.

The BBC showed a video in December 7, 2013, in which foreign mercenaries were using safe houses in southern Turkey as a transit center for Syria. One merchant, who called them "jihadists," usually spent a day or two at home before crossing into Syria, and on the way home they used the house again to wait for repatriation trips.

Turkish support for ISIS has increased especially after the failure of its project in Syria, Iraq and Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood project fell quickly, and the resentment inside the Turkish street has increased the deteriorating economic, political and human rights situation in the country since 2013, all of which pushed Turkey to search for new options and policies including supporting ISIS in order to fight for it by proxy and implementing what it failed to achieve by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood project in the region.

ISIS ambassador almost met with Erdogan

With the SDF advancing its war against ISIS in Syria and liberating large areas, there has been much evidence of Turkish support for ISIS.

According to the US Homeland Security Today, Abu Mansour confirmed that he was an ISIS ambassador to Turkey where he met with high-ranking officials in all security branches of the Turkish government, and was even about to meet with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

“My mission was to direct agents to receive foreign fighters in Turkey,” said Abu Mansour, a Moroccan engineer who joined ISIS in Syria in 2013, referring to a network of people funded by ISIS who facilitated the travel of foreign mercenaries from Istanbul to the border areas with Syria, such as Gaziantep, Antakya and Urfa, “the members of the network were mostly paid by ISIS.”

Now that ISIS has fallen geographically by the SDF, Turkey has begun to repatriate these mercenaries from Syria to Libya, Egypt, and other areas, wherever there is activity, consulates, or military positions of ISIS.

ISIS appears in Libya and threatens those fighting Turkish-backed groups

After Mosul and the Turkish consulate incident, ISIS is re-emerging in Libya. According to Al-Arab newspaper, in recent months, intensive movements of ISIS mercenaries who have taken advantage of the security and military vacuum have been monitored as the Libyan army's armed forces are engaged in armed battles with the Turkish-backed government of national reconciliation.

Dozens of masked mercenaries appeared in a video broadcast by ISIS-affiliated media renewing allegiance to al-Baghdadi and threatening reprisals against the Libyan army fighting Turkish-backed groups.

ISIS is trying to rearrange and re-awaken after a large number of its mercenaries were holed up in different cities in southern Libya and lost after a major war in Sirte in 2016.

Turkey is heavily involved in the conflict in Libya, where its military bases, which include drones and other weapons, are deployed under the cover of the Wefaq government.

Libyan journalist Abubakr Byzantine told Al-Arab that ISIS lost its stronghold in central Libya in Sirte in December 2016 but retreated into the vast desert to regroup.

The Byzantine said that remnants of Daesh faded in the Libyan desert and fled to some African cities after it was tightened down in Sirte.

The Libyan journalist noted that the tense situation in Libya has allowed the Islamic State to return to Libya and extend it again in the south of the country and in some western areas.

Quoting eyewitnesses, residents of the cities of the south noticed the influx of strange elements of various nationalities to the city, accompanied by weapons and carrying flags of ISIS.

ISIS expanding on the continent... Somalia will be a starting point

ISIS is trying to expand in Africa, in addition to Libya, Somalia has found a fertile environment for its growth.

"So far ISIS's influence in Somalia is limited, because al-Shabaab Movement loyal to al-Qaeda is peer-to-peer and remains opposed to its entry," African Affairs expert Attia Essawi told the UAE's Al-Bayan newspaper. Attia added, ISIS influence will be limited unless the al-Shabaab Movement allied with it against the Somali government."

The expert on extremist movements told Al-Bayan that ISIS will use Somalia to be its starting point and its expansion in Africa, taking into account that the Sahel and Sahara countries represent a real extension of it, and will help him to penetrate in eastern and central Africa.

Turkey is using ISIS to fight opponents

Turkey, whose president Erdogan has visited several African countries, has military bases in Somalia, Qatar and Cyprus, and was in the process of establishing a naval base on the Sudanese island of Suakin without the overthrow of Bashir.

Turkey provides weapons and equipment to the forces it is training in Somalia, and under the pretext of training is working to expand its influence there and exploit the wealth of the country.

Turkey is fighting its opponents by supporting mercenary groups in Libya and Somalia, where it aims to strengthen its influence in these countries to face Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.


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[Trango Towers]

Not a joke, as we have already partially Arabized you!

Muahhahahhaa, you will never get rid ofi t.

Loool. You arn't arabs yourselves. Note even the genetic crap of arabs gone. You are more zionists than zionists.
Religion of islam is not arabization. That's why all the prophets came you you. Still stupid

Stay with the camel ---- camel guy as the internet is like sand in your ears



REMEMBER YOU STARTED THIS

 

[xenon54 out]

lol Going to quote this on my status box (as long as you don’t mind of course)

Go ahead.

Every Isis member that made it into Syria or Iraq did so throw turkey not Jordan or any other country Isis never attacked your boarder why is that can you explain.....

Dude first look at the nationalities of the isis members before making such a bolt claim.
I know you guys have an alternative reality in your Sisi land but you have access to internet, do some research...

 

[Trango Towers]

No one in the region fought Israel more than Arabs, Turkey's only actions against Israel are vocal/verbal and Iran has not directly clashed with Israel. Infact Israel has directly aided Iran when Iraq and Iran were at war.

GCC-America relations do not define all Arab states. And even that does not support your accusations given that Turkey and America are allies and Pakistan-America.. they paid for your F-16's.

You're acting like your ruled by some mujahid who is burning the west left and right, focus on India and keep out of these matters. If Turkey or Pakistan take a true hostile stance towards Israel they will see actual trouble, which is why they don't. Erdogan gave in to some light American economic pressure and released that Bruton religious guy, and that was a joke compared to the hostility the US has shown to certain Arab states. Therefore, spare me all this and keep crying.

Real arabs weren't cowards. They have long gone. You are all talkers.
Pakistani pilots have fought in every arabs israeli war and with courage and conviction. On the other hands arabs back stabbed each other even during the height of conflict. Remember how the Egyptians stopped their advance and at the same time stopped talking to the Syrians and Jordanians.
You cannot ever beat the israeli until you lose your.....I am an arab and I am better than everyone attitude.
The world calls you stupid arabs.....there is a reason for that. So speare me the headache.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Real arabs weren't cowards. They have long gone. You are all talkers.
Pakistani pilots have fought in every arabs israeli war and with courage and conviction. On the other hands arabs back stabbed each other even during the height of conflict. Remember how the Egyptians stopped their advance and at the same time stopped talking to the Syrians and Jordanians.
You cannot ever beat the israeli until you lose your.....I am an arab and I am better than everyone attitude.
The world calls you stupid arabs.....there is a reason for that. So speare me the headache.

And the world ("Western Whites") whom you refer to they look up to Pakistanis right? Heh

 

[925boy]

ISIS created by CIA and Mossad. Financially supported by Arabs. Armed by West and manpowered by extremists around the world.
Defeated by Turks.

And this Arab piggy accusing Turkey. Pathetic pice of shtt.

NO. Turkey was made the "CEO" of ISIS by this group(CIA + Mossad). You started off good, but then got derailed.

Why is Turkey the "CEO" of ISIS? :
1) Turkey was/is the main entry point for ISIS members from many countries into Syria (this was when ISIS was the best and only good ground forces available to fight Assad)
2)Turkey supported ISIS oil infrastructure in Syria and bought oil from ISIS as normal trade
3) Turkey is not providing evidence to EU countries that Turkey sent ISIS members to so those EU countries cant use that evidence to convict those people for being formal members of ISIS.
4) Turkey is supporting ISIS logistically and financially on behalf of GCC + US + NATO + Israel.
5) Turkey hosts ISIS members, supporters, middle men, etc IN Turkey, close to Syria.

So you see why this makes no sense?

Defeated by Turks.

There is no need to defeat what you already control successfully.

Hey 2014 called, they want their conspiracy theory back.

LOL. remove "theory" since it was actual reality and i think you are onto the truth:

Hey 2014 called, they want their conspiracy back.

ohhh please ur arab nationalism is eating away ur brain

You hate to admit the truth, even when its starring you in the face.

Nationalism is always a major cause of defeat of any nation. Check the pages of history.

Its also the motivation for nations to return back to glory...look at today's China and Russia.

Is Turkey also in Sinai because ISIS are pretty active there too.

Yes, because Turkey has beef with Egypt and maybe Turkey sent ISIS there to disturb Egyptian govt that Turkey doesnt like?

Will the Middle East ever return to an United Caliphate? like how it was during the Umayyads? A lot of conflict will be solved and it will be better for world trade and prosperity

NO, because we currently exist on the nation state model, so while many Muslims low key want that, they still prefer their nation-states over a caliphate...

 

[Nein]

Honestly are Arabs this retarded when Isis is majority Arab.

 

[925boy]

Arab states should work together and form alliances, beyond the current sphere of Arab alliances. Once this happens it will be very easy to deter and defend against neighbors such as Erdogan's policies. In fact, once that happens it'll be easy to Arabize them. Our current leaders are very soft, with the right ones we can cause a real headache and export true hell.

They already tried and failed to do this against Iran so this is old news. Btw this is what Nasser was saying, but once again, thats old and dead. Any other new ideas???

I believe in pan-Arabism and eventually expanding through military means, my current regime needs to be burnt down

The oil wealth that the GCC, Iraq and Libya have combined is enormous and together with the massive population of the Arab world it could be put to better use with the right management.

Pan Arabism, like the one Nasser advocated for is dead today. Whats your plan B? You were saying IRaq's population will be 100m and pass Turkey and Iran combined together- how is this even possible when Iran by then will have at least 80m people and Turkey is over 20m people? 2nd of all, i hate to say this, but Iraq can never mess with Iran in any serious way in the near future. You guys lack what Iran has plenty of - cohesive population + smart regional strategy. But if these are your dreams and wishes, i respect them.

 

[HAIDER]

NO. Turkey was made the "CEO" of ISIS by this group(CIA + Mossad). You started off good, but then got derailed.

Why is Turkey the "CEO" of ISIS? :
1) Turkey was/is the main entry point for ISIS members from many countries into Syria (this was when ISIS was the best and only good ground forces available to fight Assad)
2)Turkey supported ISIS oil infrastructure in Syria and bought oil from ISIS as normal trade
3) Turkey is not providing evidence to EU countries that Turkey sent ISIS members to so those EU countries cant use that evidence to convict those people for being formal members of ISIS.
4) Turkey is supporting ISIS logistically and financially on behalf of GCC + US + NATO + Israel.
5) Turkey hosts ISIS members, supporters, middle men, etc IN Turkey, close to Syria.

So you see why this makes no sense? There is no need to defeat what you already control successfully.


LOL. remove "theory" since it was actual reality and i think you are onto the truth:




You hate to admit the truth, even when its starring you in the face.


Its also the motivation for nations to return back to glory...look at today's China and Russia.


Yes, because Turkey has beef with Egypt and maybe Turkey sent ISIS there to disturb Egyptian govt that Turkey doesnt like?


NO, because we currently exist on the nation state model, so while many Muslims low key want that, they still prefer their nation-states over a caliphate...

Nationalism is a double edge sword. If you know how to and when to use. Our last holy prophet deal with many standoff situations where he never used nationalism or tribalism.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

They already tried and failed to do this against Iran so this is old news. Btw this is what Nasser was saying, but once again, thats old and dead. Any other new ideas???


Pan Arabism, like the one Nasser advocated for is dead today. Whats your plan B? You were saying IRaq's population will be 100m and pass Turkey and Iran combined together- how is this even possible when Iran by then will have at least 80m people and Turkey is over 20m people? 2nd of all, i hate to say this, but Iraq can never mess with Iran in any serious way in the near future. You guys lack what Iran has plenty of - cohesive population + smart regional strategy. But if these are your dreams and wishes, i respect them.

Maybe you take thigs too serious and too literal sometimes

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

They already tried and failed to do this against Iran so this is old news. Btw this is what Nasser was saying, but once again, thats old and dead. Any other new ideas???


Pan Arabism, like the one Nasser advocated for is dead today. Whats your plan B? You were saying IRaq's population will be 100m and pass Turkey and Iran combined together- how is this even possible when Iran by then will have at least 80m people and Turkey is over 20m people? 2nd of all, i hate to say this, but Iraq can never mess with Iran in any serious way in the near future. You guys lack what Iran has plenty of - cohesive population + smart regional strategy. But if these are your dreams and wishes, i respect them.

A 3.5 times smaller Iraq (with 2.5 times less population) had the upper hand against Iran for 8 years and inflicted far more damage on Iran (1 million Iranian casualties and injured, many permanently).

Iraq is a far more cohesive country with 85% + of the population being Arab while Iran is far more diverse and only a fairly strong central state (regime) keeps it united. The difference between Arab Al-Ahwaz, Baloch Balochistan, Azeri Azerbaijan and Persian desert inland, is far greater than any diversity in a single Arab country, including Iraq.

Iraq does not need to dominate anything due to its strategic location. Iraq has already been dominating Iran culturally, linguistically, religiously etc. for millennia. It is Iran that is looking west (Arab world), not the other way. Explains why the eastern borders of Iran are more or less irrelevant for the Arab Mullah's that rule Iran.

As for population, Arabs already FAR outnumber all non-Arabs in the region and the difference will be even greater in the future. By 2030 and 2050, Iraq and Egypt alone will have twice as many people as Turkey and Iran combined. A country like Yemen will have almost 100 million people as well.

As for unification, the Arab world is already the most close ethnically tied region in the world with the oldest and most cohesive political bodies.

Ever heard about an Slavic League, Germanic League, Turkic League (aside from the modern invention that is far, far smaller in scope due to there only being 5-6 Turkic states in the world), Iranic etc. League? There is a good reason for that.

Also have in mind that most of the regimes in power in the Arab world currently are not always (in fact most of the time) representing the will of the Arab street. Once they are gone, even greater integration will occur on every front.

Lastly, the GCC is to date the most comprehensive regional/ethnic bloc in the world. The EU is geographical and not ethnic so I don't count them.

Honestly are Arabs this retarded when Isis is majority Arab.

No shit Sherlock since the arena of conflict (Iraq and Syria) is 90% Arab and all parties involved are Arabs. By the same token, Arabs have defeated ISIS (which is true).

Arab or non-Arab, did not stop 1000's of Turkic Central Asians from joining with their entire families. Or 10.000's of non-Arabs from Indonesia to Senegal to South America to native European converts. Or for that matter 1000's of Turks (from Turkey and from Europe and elsewhere).

Not a joke, as we have already partially Arabized you!

Muahhahahhaa, you will never get rid ofi t.

The entire Muslim world is Arabized to larger or smaller degrees. Most educated Muslims understand that (hence the overall reverence of Arab Islamic civilization) but those who pretend otherwise, are looking at the plenty of Arab elements within their cultures, as something indigenous by now. Rightly so if you ask me. Does not change the origin though and if that fact can get Arab-obsessed individuals panties in a twist, all the better.

Take Iranian culture as of 2019. Remove the Arab influence, and there will be hardly any left.

In my opinion, all gas and oil in the world belongs to us Arabs. We Arabs have most of the oil in the world and we should take even more. Some Kurdish animals in Iraq tried to take Kirkuk from us, that didn't last long for them. We should take all the oil in this region as far as i'm concerned.

Egypt's population is booming hard, Iraq's population will reach 100 million in a few decades outnumbering both Turkey and Iran put together. Arabization is going at a high pace and I will ensure further Arabization by creating over 10 Arab kids in the future. May the sharp sword of Arabism be sharpened further.

Mandatory 4 wives, and 3 children by each, should be made obligatory. Banning all contraception as well. We have a landmass the size of Russia to fill from the Atlantic to the Arabian Sea! Get to work boys.

I didn't know we were Turks, looks like I was told a lie that i'm Arab

What's with the PDF hate towards Arabs?

4-5 years ago, there were far too many Arab bootlickers on PDF. Now due to the empty populism of Erdogan, Pakistanis on PDF have shifted their allegiance or at least many of them. Once an Arab Erdogan emerges (will change regardless depending on what is going on politically, if say Uzbekistan joins Pakistan in some imaginary war against India, Uzbeks will become ally number 1 within an evening), expect it to change within a second. The average Pakistani has far more in common with the average Arab than the average Anatolian.

This thing of looking towards foreigners to be somehow saved, seems to be a very Pakistani thing. Not experienced it among any other Muslim community.

Having said that, the average Pakistani in Pakistan (the actual country, not PDF which is not representative of Pakistan and Pakistanis at all) have very favorable views of Arabs (KSA was once again voted as the by far best ally inside Pakistan a few months ago) and Pakistanis (people to people) have more dealings with Arabs than any other Muslim group outside of Afghan Pashtuns, but that only goes for Pakistani Pashtuns and Afghans have a horrible reputation inside Pakistan overall which PDF is also a testament off.

Also the Arab bashing (when it exists) is aimed at our leaders, and quite frankly, Arabs are the best in the world at bashing our leadership. No need to take it seriously.

Arab states should work together and form alliances, beyond the current sphere of Arab alliances. Once this happens it will be very easy to deter and defend against neighbors such as Erdogan's policies. In fact, once that happens it'll be easy to Arabize them. Our current leaders are very soft, with the right ones we can cause a real headache and export true hell.

The current cancerous meddling is only taking place in war-torn/unstable Arab countries for a reason. Once stability emerges (question of time) that will no longer take place. Can you imagine the same entities meddling in Iraq during the 1980's or 1970's or today's KSA? Or Egypt. List is long.

Puppets/mercenaries come and go, Libyans (example) will continue to rule Libya and shape it regardless of which fraction emerges victorious. The Libyan already knows that foreigners are not in Libya due to loving Libyans or for the sake of Libya or Libyans, but for pursuing their own interests. I talked with many Libyans who looked at Haftar unfavorable but they were all against foreign meddling/interference/exploitation.

Same fears as about Iraq post 2003 and as in Syria. If America back in 2003, failed to control and shape Iraq, no second rate regional power or any other country for that matter, will even be close to any real influence.

Take the Mullah's ruling Iran, if they were so strong in Iraq, ISIS would not have emerged and there would not be millions of Iraqis on the street shouting death to Iran or burning consulates in the Shia heartland (Najaf, Karbala). All this despite the money, energy and monopoly of pro-Mullah political entities in Iraq. With the internet around, Arab satellite TV, people traveling abroad, you are only going to be truly liked/have genuine influence, if you pursue policies that are representative of the will of the nation (majority) regardless of who you are and where it is in the world. It was easier back in the day, when 95% of all people were illiterate and most people had not ventured out of their cities/villages.

 

[Amun]

Reported for fake news

Do you afraid of Facts

 

[Attila the Hun]

1) Turkey was/is the main entry point for ISIS members from many countries into Syria (this was when ISIS was the best and only good ground forces available to fight Assad)

We're guilty for bordering Syria? I know the story bro. The Assad saw Turks let the ISIS go through, and Assad/Syria did nothing, they waited for the ISIS to kill Sunnis, so the Assad/Syria can say "how bad are these Turks".

2)Turkey supported ISIS oil infrastructure in Syria and bought oil from ISIS as normal trade

We invented ISIS and have to pay for the OIL also? Surely the oil should been free ffs!!

3) Turkey is not providing evidence to EU countries that Turkey sent ISIS members to so those EU countries cant use

I bet you have this evidence though. right?

4) Turkey is supporting ISIS logistically and financially on behalf of GCC + US + NATO + Israel.

Basically half the world?

5) Turkey hosts ISIS members, supporters, middle men, etc IN Turkey, close to Syria.

Go pray for a Lawrence of Arabia to come rescue you from Turks, Arabi

 

[Arsalan 345]

When you hear about these terrorist groups,kindly ask anyone who they are and they will point fingers towards only one group and they know it as well.explosions,jehad,all types of suicide,mass shooting,these camel guys are PhD in all these topics lol.
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