ISIS attacks Turkish Army on Syrian Border [T-155 destroyed]

[-SINAN-]

Turkey used artillery not aircraft in Syria. Putin has said Russia would shoot down Turkish aircraft in Syrian airspace hence Turkey only uses short range artillery to target mostly Kurds unlike in Iraq were Turkey used F-16s.

Result of the Russian Propaganda.,

I can't believe Russian people still can be managed with propaganda, in spite of the free and unlimited flow of information due to internet.

 

[ptldM3]

Result of the Russian Propaganda.,

I can't believe Russian people still can be managed with propaganda, in spite of the free and unlimited flow of information due to internet.

To the best of my knowledge Turkey has only fired artillery into Syria. So how is that Russian propaganda?

 

[Kutsanan]

Wrong what? if you have some evidence to disprove me you would have done so.

That video has nothing to do with Turkish T-155s or Turkey in general.

Ok whats your evidence dumbas? Your arse?

 

[-SINAN-]

To the best of my knowledge Turkey has only fired artillery into Syria. So how is that Russian propaganda?

1-) Turkey targets mostly Kurds;

There were two instances that we hit YPG;
a) When they tried to cross Euphrates river,
b) When YPG tried to march on Azez from Afrin.

When comparing it to our strikes against ISIS, it's very unsignificant.

2-) Turkey used artillery not aircraft in Syria. Putin has said Russia would shoot down Turkish aircraft in Syrian airspace hence Turkey only uses short range artillery

a) Since 2012 June, we didn't entered Syrian Airspace. You are trying to portrait it, like we fear Russia or something like that.
b)We can very well hit ISIS targets within our borders using smart munitions.

Ok whats your evidence dumbas? Your arse?

Proper language please....

 

[ptldM3]

Ok whats your evidence dumbas? Your arse?

Russia first reported Turkish artillery strikes in February 2016:


https://www.rt.com/news/330858-turkey-shells-syrian-territory/


One of the originals of that video (perhaps not even the original).

Published on Nov 11, 2015:

Don't you feel stupid after acting so cocky?

1-) Turkey targets mostly Kurds;

There were two instances that we hit YPG;
a) When they tried to cross Euphrates river,
b) When YPG tried to march on Azez from Afrin.

When comparing it to our strikes against ISIS, it's very unsignificant.

2-) Turkey used artillery not aircraft in Syria. Putin has said Russia would shoot down Turkish aircraft in Syrian airspace hence Turkey only uses short range artillery

a) Since 2012 June, we didn't entered Syrian Airspace. You are trying to portrait it, like we fear Russia or something like that.
b)We can very well hit ISIS targets within our borders using smart munitions.


Proper language please....

Turkey wants to fly over Syria. Why would Turkey use aircraft to bomb targets in Iraq but only use short range artillery in Syria? The answer is because Turkey does fear getting its aircraft shot down over Syria. Recently a Turkish Super Cobra (supposedly equipment with EW system) was blown to pieces by an old Igla fired by Kurds. Before that a Turkish F-4 was shot down by a Pantsir.

Russia already has Pantsirs and S-300 in Syria as well as other air defense systems, including the most powerful air defense system in the world, the S-400.

If old MANPADs can destroy Turkish aircraft then S-400s, S-300s, Pantsirs, SU-30s and SU-35s would have no problems. so yes Turkey is afraid, it's not just me blowing hot air it's Turkey's actions that prove it.

 

[-SINAN-]

Turkey wants to fly over Syria. Why would Turkey use aircraft to bomb targets in Iraq but only use short range artillery in Syria? The answer is because Turkey does fear getting its aircraft shot down over Syria. Recently a Turkish Super Cobra (supposedly equipment with EW system) was blown to pieces by an old Igla fired by Kurds. Before that a Turkish F-4 was shot down by a Pantsir.

Russia already has Pantsirs and S-300 in Syria as well as other air defense systems, including the most powerful air defense system in the world, the S-400.

If old MANPADs can destroy Turkish aircraft then S-400s, S-300s, Pantsirs, SU-30s and SU-35s would have no problems. so yes Turkey is afraid, it's not just me blowing hot air it's Turkey's actions that prove it.

I'm not talking about technical capabilities (Turkey has ability to effectively destroy every air defence system in syria)

What i'm saying is, it our policy to not enter Syria and in return to shoot down every other aircraft that trespasses to Turkey from Syrian border. And this policy is not related to Russia, it's being applied since 2012.

 

[ptldM3]

I'm not talking about technical capabilities (Turkey has ability to effectively destroy every air defence system in syria)

What i'm saying is, it our policy to not enter Syria and in return to shoot down every other aircraft that trespasses to Turkey from Syrian border. And this policy is not related to Russia, it's being applied since 2012.

Turkish aircraft could not even avoid an old Igla MANPAD so what makes you think Turkey can stop a Pantsir or S-300 or S-400?

Turkey can not destroy all the air defenses in Syria, many of the systems move around so Turkey would not even know where to target some of the systems. The only way Turkey can destroy some (they will never destroy all) of the air defense systems is to overwhelm the air defense systems with volleys of cruise missile and air-to-ground missiles but even then that guarantees nothing since air defense systems have electronic warfare systems that can disrupt incoming threats without even shooting them down.


And then Turkey would have to be prepared for retaliatory strikes that would target the sources of the threats to Russian air defense systems and more.

 

[Timur]

Turkish aircraft could not even avoid an old Igla MANPAD so what makes you think Turkey can stop a Pantsir or S-300 or S-400?

Turkey can not destroy all the air defenses in Syria, many of the systems move around so Turkey would not even know where to target some of the systems. The only way Turkey can destroy some (they will never destroy all) of the air defense systems is to overwhelm the air defense systems with volleys of cruise missile and air-to-ground missiles but even then that guarantees nothing since air defense systems have electronic warfare systems that can disrupt incoming threats without even shooting them down.


And then Turkey would have to be prepared for retaliatory strikes that would target the sources of the threats to Russian air defense systems and more.

Turkey can not destroy all the air defenses in Syria

he only way Turkey can destroy some (they will never destroy all) of the air defense systems is to overwhelm the air defense systems with volleys of cruise missile and air-to-ground missiles

wtf what are you talking about.. you giving yourself the answer overwhelm the system.. and we can easily overwhelm the system

 

[-SINAN-]

Turkish aircraft could not even avoid an old Igla MANPAD so what makes you think Turkey can stop a Pantsir or S-300 or S-400?

Turkey can not destroy all the air defenses in Syria, many of the systems move around so Turkey would not even know where to target some of the systems. The only way Turkey can destroy some (they will never destroy all) of the air defense systems is to overwhelm the air defense systems with volleys of cruise missile and air-to-ground missiles but even then that guarantees nothing since air defense systems have electronic warfare systems that can disrupt incoming threats without even shooting them down.


And then Turkey would have to be prepared for retaliatory strikes that would target the sources of the threats to Russian air defense systems and more.

Since, discussion turned to technical evaluation, i'm out.

I think, i answered your prior questions.

Turkish aircraft could not even avoid an old Igla MANPAD so what makes you think Turkey can stop a Pantsir or S-300 or S-400?

But i can't pass on this one....if you equate shooting down an old Cobra that was doing bombing strafes on terrorists target which was not expecting any form of air defence, being shot down by an IGLA in very low altitute, to shoot down a Block 50 F-16 which will conduct SEAD&DEAD operation....with an IGLA....then i will seriously question your knowledge....

 

[Successwill]

Turkish aircraft could not even avoid an old Igla MANPAD so what makes you think Turkey can stop a Pantsir or S-300 or S-400?

What kind of BS is this?

How many helis did russia lose in syria hit by rebels etc? Its not a matter of this country or that country.. Hitting a heli is not that imposible...

I am not mentioning the lately burned rusky helis in a base in syria.

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/770x0/57447c6318c7733dc8fa04f1

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/620x350/57447c5518c7733dc8fa04ee.jpg

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/770x0/57447c7a18c7733dc8fa04f4

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/770x0/57447c8b18c7733dc8fa04f7

 

[UkroTurk]

Turkish aircraft could not even avoid an old Igla MANPAD so what makes you think Turkey can stop a Pantsir or S-300 or S-400?

Turkey can not destroy all the air defenses in Syria, many of the systems move around so Turkey would not even know where to target some of the systems. [/QUOTE]

We have not only air force, we have also land force which has Tanks.
And how could S300 hit members of Turkish SAS?:p
All s400 batteries definetly would be destroyed by land forces till Russian parachuters land to Syria.

 

[ptldM3]

We have not only air force, we have also land force which has Tanks.
And how could S300 hit members of Turkish SAS?:p
All s400 batteries definetly would be destroyed by land forces till Russian parachuters land to Syria.

So you will drive tanks through mountains?

The S-300 is an air defense battery genius. If Russia wanted to hit "SAS" it would use cruise missiles, tactile ballistic missiles and air to ground missiles.

The S-400 would "definitely" not get destroyed just because you say so. The S-400 is protected by Pantsirs and other systems that are capable of shooting down cruise missiles, and if all else fails the the airbase in Latakia is heavily defended by power electronic war fair systems.

What kind of BS is this?

How many helis did russia lose in syria hit by rebels etc? Its not a matter of this country or that country.. Hitting a heli is not that imposible...

I am not mentioning the lately burned rusky helis in a base in syria.

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/770x0/57447c6318c7733dc8fa04f1

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/620x350/57447c5518c7733dc8fa04ee.jpg

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/770x0/57447c7a18c7733dc8fa04f4

http://i.hurimg.com/i/hurriyet/90/770x0/57447c8b18c7733dc8fa04f7

Russia lost one helicopter which was a lightly armed MI-17 due to small arms, that helicopter landed and was hit with a TOW. So far Russia has lost zero aircraft due to MANPADS.

Since, discussion turned to technical evaluation, i'm out.

I think, i answered your prior questions.


But i can't pass on this one....if you equate shooting down an old Cobra that was doing bombing strafes on terrorists target which was not expecting any form of air defence, being shot down by an IGLA in very low altitute, to shoot down a Block 50 F-16 which will conduct SEAD&DEAD operation....with an IGLA....then i will seriously question your knowledge....

You're out because a technical discussion is out of your realm. The Cobra that your talking about was a newer Super Cobra that should have at least had a RWR.

2 Turkish aircraft were blown out of the sky and you're arguing that Turkey is not worried about losing more.

Many Turkish F-16s are not even block 50s, nor is an F-16 that great at SEADs. If if a F-16 does somehow manage to Jam one air defense system it can not jam multiple systems that operate at different frequencies.

 

[-SINAN-]

2 Turkish aircraft were blown out of the sky and

Which is the second one ????

you're arguing that Turkey is not worried about losing more.

I'm not even arguing about that, what are you talking about ???

You still don't get it, we don't trespass into a hostile country's airspace. But shoot one of our airplanes in our airspace, and see how quick of a work we doing in Syria against anyone that stands on our way.

Many Turkish F-16s are not even block 50s, nor is an F-16 that great at SEADs. If if a F-16 does somehow manage to Jam one air defense system it can not jam multiple systems that operate at different frequencies

We saw in Serbia, how great your air defense assets are..... We destroyed it once, i think we can do it for the second time.

 

[Baybars Han]

Russia first reported Turkish artillery strikes in February 2016:


https://www.rt.com/news/330858-turkey-shells-syrian-territory/


One of the originals of that video (perhaps not even the original).

Published on Nov 11, 2015:

Don't you feel stupid after acting so cocky?








Turkey wants to fly over Syria. Why would Turkey use aircraft to bomb targets in Iraq but only use short range artillery in Syria? The answer is because Turkey does fear getting its aircraft shot down over Syria. Recently a Turkish Super Cobra (supposedly equipment with EW system) was blown to pieces by an old Igla fired by Kurds. Before that a Turkish F-4 was shot down by a Pantsir.

Russia already has Pantsirs and S-300 in Syria as well as other air defense systems, including the most powerful air defense system in the world, the S-400.

If old MANPADs can destroy Turkish aircraft then S-400s, S-300s, Pantsirs, SU-30s and SU-35s would have no problems. so yes Turkey is afraid, it's not just me blowing hot air it's Turkey's actions that prove it.

The Iraq geography and Syria geography is completely different smart ***.. Iraq border has so many mountains and difficult terrain, airstrikes are much more effective, otherwise I'm sure we would use just artillery as it would be much cheaper.

You are supporting pkk now but remember, times change. You can in no way guarantee an uprising won't begin in Russia in 5,10 maybe 15 years.

Russia is a big hypocrite. Ukraine and Russia are arch enemies now lol. Your stupid idiots made yourself enemies with a country that is so close to you in many ways. Just for crimea. Now Ukrainians won't forget this for very very long years.

 

[cabatli_53]

Russian propaganda ? Care about your totally destroyed base instead of Turkish Cobra Ruski.

No need to mention your Syrian bases inside of Turkish artillery range. destroying almost all parts of them including your SAM is just a matter of desicion.