"ISI has to change its strategic thrust": Gen Mullen

[Peshwa]

Why should Pakistan disband ISI which is the first line of defence what exactly is the US to trying to achieve?

Could India disband RAW or USA disband CIA which is practically impossible Mullen is just making a fool of himself by issuing such statements.

Well I agree....from a neutral standpoint....Pakistan should definitely hold on this asset!!

Well like I said....no one can force anyone to disband their intelligence agency....however from what I perceive in this report, the US wants to trim the agency and have it controlled more by the civilian government....instead of ISI running wild with its own agenda...

I feel ISI is so powerful because it cannot be controlled by the government...Dont you think so?

 

[Peshwa]

I am sure they have plans for India also . Right now i belive they are in a phase of setting the stage up .To be Honest neither ISI is going to change its ajenda Neither the Establishment in US would Force it to a degree where a change could brought about .Its one of their long term Interests .And they always like to be the middle man and take the max juice out of it .

Well to a certain extent I agree with you....The relationship with the US always comes with an agenda and at a price.....

But I feel what makes India a bit immune to this is that we have a very strong opposition party, communists, and a plethora of voices that would turn the tide if the current govt. got too cosy with US.....

In Pakistan, since the army is supreme....they set the agenda....which at times is unidirectional....but in a way good and works since at least **** gets done when push comes to shove...

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Great to learn that you gave lives for "Kashmir Freedom Struggle" and will not dare to give more ...but friend what lives are you talking about.If you are talking about the lives of your soldiers then I appreciate that but on the other hand if you are talking about terrorists being trained by ISI to squander their lives in order to achieve cheap publicity on International stage then it is highly condemnable.If you are highlighting these terrorist's lives then I have just two questions to you. First, can you also give your life like these terrorists for the "Cause" and Secondly, Then doesn't India also has the moral right to reciprocate the proxy war in "Baluchistan" for their "Freedom Struggle".

Regards.

Sir
For your kind information Kashmir Dispute is the mother of all chaos btw India and Pakistan. From Political Blamming to the Milletery Expeditions. From Proxies to all those dirty tricks which one can Imagine, you can trace the Essence of this dispute in almost every sphere of the INDO-PAK Tentions . And that Includes the training and arming of the Religious Fanatics to achieve the objective

We have fought wars over this dispute. And Please if it would have been for buying cheap publicity then you are seriously mistaken coz there are ways to buy publicity far more easier than this one.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Well to a certain extent I agree with you....The relationship with the US always comes with an agenda and at a price.....

But I feel what makes India a bit immune to this is that we have a very strong opposition party, communists, and a plethora of voices that would turn the tide if the current govt. got too cosy with US.....

I dought it. I think you guys have no idea how ferociously US protects its intersts in any place and especially in a reagion which has tremendous strategik importance. You would have to play your every card and at the right moment once you sit with these guys for a game .

 

[macrocks]

Sir
For your kind information Kashmir Dispute is the mother of all chaos btw India and Pakistan. From Political Blamming to the Milletery Expeditions. From Proxies to all those dirty tricks which one can Imagine, you can trace the Essence of this dispute in almost every sphere of the INDO-PAK Tentions . And that Includes the training and arming of the Religious Fanatics to achieve the objective

We have fought wars over this dispute. And Please if it would have been for buying cheap publicity then you are seriously mistaken coz there are ways to buy publicity far more easier than this one.

First of all Please Don't call me Sir.
As far as your reasoning is concerned then "training and arming of the Religious Fanatics to achieve the objective " should lead to peace and ease of tensions.Will it ???

No, it wont. If you are defending these trainings then you should have no qualms about "Baluchistan" which is so close to your heart and also with commotion in Xiang "autonomous" region.

But the fact is that on one hand even if you praising these fanatics then will you be able to send your son to these trainings.No you wont. You are happy praising them from a distance but they are also the son and brothers of someone and by brainwashing them both RAW and ISI are just exploiting them. And guys like you have no qualms that your money is being wasted as also the life of a son, who may have the potential to protect the lives of others, is being just squandred away and you guys are calling this stupidity as "Freedom Stuggle".

Isues can be solved in just two ways.
First kill the other person or
Secondly by diplomacy.
Pakistan is a 60 year old country and is mature enough to decide for itself.

Regards.

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

well let us take a case of an organisation
who is more important in decision making
A) A security Gaurd
or
B)The CEO of that company

Now u decide

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

in any organisation or company if two positions become so strong that they start taking decisions because of their autonomous structure...than that company or organisation can move ahead when there is a better understanding btw both of the two................otherwise

what happen at such a high level if there is a hair crack misunderstanding

all the employees or people working under this company their stakes become very high and thus creates volatility.....further if such NEWS go outside the organisation....the competitiors take full advantage by spreading rumuors.....and u see that share prices fall......

just u see this dynamics are well proven and can be a case study for any country also and its people

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

so its always better to empower the most the TOP NOTCH position in that company or a country...so he takes decisions and uniformity and organisation structure...or if we say democracy can retain

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

No, it wont. If you are defending these trainings then you should have no qualms about "Baluchistan" which is so close to your heart and also with commotion in Xiang "autonomous" region.

Frankly speaking the issue of Balochistan is a different scenario altogether. Those who are shouting for free balochistan are only a handfull of people which represent not even more than 0.5% of totall Population of Pakistan.

But the fact is that on one hand even if you praising these fanatics then will you be able to send your son to these trainings.No you wont. You are happy praising them from a distance but they are also the son and brothers of someone and by brainwashing them both
RAW and ISI are just exploiting them. And guys like you have no qualms that your money is being wasted as also the life of a son, who may have the potential to protect the lives of others, is being just squandred away and you guys are calling this stupidity as "Freedom Stuggle".

I have to agree with you, we(humans) are really the ugliest animals on this planet. But this is how things go in this cruel world lol.

Isues can be solved in just two ways.
First kill the other person or
Secondly by diplomacy.
Pakistan is a 60 year old country and is mature enough to decide for itself.

I think Present GOP is giving its best to find means to negotiate all possible diplomatic solutiOns of all OUTSTANDING DISPUTES with India so that a congenial environment to progress could be achieved.

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

i might be wrong ...but i believe so...

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

well let us take a case of an organisation
who is more important in decision making
A) A security Gaurd
or
B)The CEO of that company

Now u decide

the dynamics of a country are compleetely different than those of a state.
For example you cannont apply the same dynamic to a company in US which you applied to a company in China .

Moreever in a company theres a risk of loosing jobs at the expence of nasty CEOs.But in a state theres is a risk of LOOSING FREEDOM at the expense of a coruupt Leader. Hence e=mc2 prooved.

Now you decide the difference btw a company and a state.

 

[Peshwa]

I dought it. I think you guys have no idea how ferociously US protects its intersts in any place and especially in a reagion which has tremendous strategik importance. You would have to play your every card and at the right moment once you sit with these guys for a game .

I dont think you understand Indian politics my friend.....we take a million years to make a decision....and only reason why is because everyone wants their way....Political parties maybe inclined to side with a certain idea, but next term a new party comes and reverses it...Just to give you a little sampling...please see the below article....

No matter how ferociusly the US works to get its ways...it will not work in India....

There is a reason why we became the forerunners of the Non-Aligned movement....so we dont have to deal with adopting someone else's foreign policy

Govt accused of giving in to US - India - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I dont think you understand Indian politics my friend.....we take a million years to make a decision....and only reason why is because everyone wants their way....Political parties maybe inclined to side with a certain idea, but next term a new party comes and reverses it...Just to give you a little sampling...please see the below article....

No matter how ferociusly the US works to get its ways...it will not work in India....

There is a reason why we became the forerunners of the Non-Aligned movement....so we dont have to deal with adopting someone else's foreign policy

Govt accused of giving in to US - India - NEWS - The Times of India

You cant imagin how much US is being hated in alomost every Muslim Country. They do the same in Pakistan also but no vein .Howeevr its the US you are dealing with, they wont let go easy once you go into their camp. However i have to agree that India has differnt dynamics than all the other countries with which US has dealt and that explains why they are leining too much .

I have a question regarding the ops against the Communist MOIST .I dought that US has its dirty hands in it also ?

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

the dynamics of a country are compleetely different than those of a state.
For example you cannont apply the same dynamic to a company in US which you applied to a company in China .

Moreever in a company theres a risk of loosing jobs at the expence of nasty CEOs.But in a state theres is a risk of LOOSING FREEDOM at the expense of a coruupt Leader. Hence e=mc2 prooved.

Now you decide the difference btw a company and a state

it means there is prblm in the system and than it has to addressed....

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

Moreever in a company theres a risk of loosing jobs at the expence of nasty CEOs.But in a state theres is a risk of LOOSING FREEDOM at the expense of a coruupt Leader. Hence e=mc2 prooved.

however just to deviated from the topic ...and on a lighter side .... E=mc2 is not entirely correct...c which is speed of light is infinite and multiplying it by itself becomes a very large infinite valvue...so if we take a very small particle of mass...it will give enough energy to explode this earth several times.....isn't so .....my dear the application of E=mc2 is different and not be understood as einstein understood