Is your country developed/have potential to be developed in next 50 years?

[Menthol]

i dont care about religion. i mean asian people worship money and other things and in the developed west people tend to give less of a **** about that. asian people spend all of their life gaining wealth but in the end die without living for a day. even the wealthiest asians are selfish and obsessed with themselves bragging about what they have. people dont do that in the west. they enjoy their lives. that's the difference. it's a culturual problem imo.

Lol

I agree if it looked from outside, it will look like that.

But it's a myth that Chinese people don't spend their money, and their life is not happy - satisfying.

I guess their mentality is shaped because many Chinese countries was poor before, they behave accordingly. But younger generation are different, as the countries is getting wealthier and the idea to became a extremely wealthy is not in place anymore.

I think the new lavish culture of younger generation need to be watched and shaped carefully. I have a feeling they are not as resilient and productive as their parents/grandparents.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

asians are selfish and obsessed with themselves bragging about what they have. people dont do that in the west. they enjoy their lives. that's the difference. it's a culturual problem imo.

I don't have the numbers of all Western countries but I can give a slice with the US.

In the US there are 15.8 Million recreational boats (1 for every 20 people)

Going for a horse ride...there are 9.2 million horses in the country...and 2 million people own horses.

About 15,000 non-government helicopters..and over 35,000 people have an active license to fly one.

1 in 10 households have a private swimming pool

1 in 5 people go on a ski trip each year.

about 1 in 30 go on a cruise

There's about 400 Amusement parks/attractions in the US with about 375M tickets in total sold (that's 115% of the population).

We have 148 Michelin starred restaurants

32Million live concert tickets were sold last year. That's about 1/10 the population.

The number of large organized sporting events each day (1000's of Football, Baseball, Basketball, and hockey games) and the total attendance for it all each year is so large it would be difficult to calculate it all relative to the population.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

i dont care about religion. i mean asian people worship money and other things and in the developed west people tend to give less of a **** about that. asian people spend all of their life gaining wealth but in the end die without living for a day. even the wealthiest asians are selfish and obsessed with themselves bragging about what they have. people dont do that in the west. they enjoy their lives. that's the difference. it's a culturual problem imo.

Yep agree with this, Asians especially from the sub continent/China just talk shit all day, about how much they have etc, but yet turn a blind eye to the poverty, pollution, lack of sewage all around them, very sad actually.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Yep agree with this, Asians especially from the sub continent/China just talk shit all day, about how much they have etc, but yet turn a blind eye to the poverty, pollution, lack of sewage all around them, very sad actually.

That blind eye towards pollution is going to be shocked open when they realize the past few decades of unrestrained industrialization has permanently polluted large percentages of their land and groundwater. All this so a consumer in another part of the world can wear a pair of leather shoes or have some plastic toy for a few years.

 

[Kashmiri Brahman]

Okay there I was sneezing [have a bad cold] and a thought grabbed me. What if any are signs of a country/culture that has potential to get developed or is on the way to being developed? Well I leave all the complicated economic indicators to the likes od Riazhaq and the Indian techies here. Being a simple chap this is the 5 Point Test I have come up with. Go out in your town and see if you tick these boxes. Now don't forget to tick the sign it must be widespread or ubiquitous and not isolated to few cases. Okay here we go.

I am going to use Turkey as "test example". Does your town have -

1. Predominantly or significant sloping roofs that use some type of roofing tile. Image below of old house in Istanbul.

2. Does the sloping roof have some sort of water dispoal guttering that relays rain to the ground thereby preventing unsightly stains along the walls and causing ugly cracks over time?

Istanbul- above/below. Old houses.

3. Do you typically have pavements in your town that are elevated and disgned only for pedestrians/ Also they have not been encroached on and are free to use without obstructions.

4. Does your town make some effort to relay cables underground this hiding them and not have them hanging everywhere posing danger/looking hideous?

5. Does your town make some effort to lay underground sewer lines as opposed to leaving open lines everywhere?

Turkey scored 5/5 therefore it passed the test. well done Turkey ! Although this is meant to be lighthearted 5 Point Test of your culture/country but there is deep basis to it. Greatness is in the fine details. Greatness is in the subtle things in life. Greatness is being particular with even small things. Non of these 5 points is rocket science. It could have been done 2000 years ago. What it does require though is a culture and society that is particular with doing things properly. No corners cut. Societies that have such traits that are concerned with even small details are societies that will succeed in time. They have the right cultural/societal traits. It has little to do with being poor either.

And before some of you cite lack of rain as excusing you from some of the signs I have enumerated. Don't. If you look at Karachi in 1900s under British rule most buildings had all the signs I have marked. Karachi was dry as a bone then as it is now. However the culture/society that ruled it has changed.


Old Karachi 1900s

And finally if your town gets a score below 4/5 then your country is doomed to stay undeveloped for at least the next 50 years if not more. If it score 4/5 or higher then your either already developed on well on the way to get developed or will be within 50 years. So how did your town/country score?

@KediKesenFare @Joe Shearer etc

Its hardhard to measure sri Nagar based on your Technique forget Kashmir or whole India.

 

[Menthol]

Yep agree with this, Asians especially from the sub continent/China just talk shit all day, about how much they have etc, but yet turn a blind eye to the poverty, pollution, lack of sewage all around them, very sad actually.

I think what you said is 50% right.

The problem is there, but not as worse as what you assumed.

That blind eye towards pollution is going to be shocked open when they realize the past few decades of unrestrained industrialization has permanently polluted large percentages of their land and groundwater. All this so a consumer in another part of the world can wear a pair of leather shoes or have some plastic toy for a few years.

It's a very normal thing for developing country in high economy activity to have pollution and deforestation.

It may be sound so controversial, but if you understand economy, it's actually a very normal thing.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I think what you said is 50% right.

The problem is there, but not as worse as what you assumed.



It's a very normal thing for developing country in high economy activity to have pollution and deforestation.

It may be sound so controversial, but if you understand economy, it's actually a very normal thing.

Not on this grand of a scale.
Both the US and Europe have off-loaded many of their most polluting industries to China. That means China is getting at least triple the pollution expected.

So say China decides it's gong to help Pakistan industrialize. It then may just outsource the worst to them..so they won't be manufacturing circuit boards for just their 200M population. They will manufacturing it for Pakistan + China + US + Europe + other markets. All those chemical byproducts will either go into local rivers leading to public drinking water supplies or go into the ground permanently damaging aquifers. Just so some person in Zimbabwe can use a smart phone for a few years at most since they will buy a new one because it has a better feature.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

That blind eye towards pollution is going to be shocked open when they realize the past few decades of unrestrained industrialization has permanently polluted large percentages of their land and groundwater. All this so a consumer in another part of the world can wear a pair of leather shoes or have some plastic toy for a few years.

We are talking about the sub continent, China etc here, nothing will be done, the lack of compassion in those countries for fellow humans is startling. When I traveled there I was shocked and disgusted, I haven't been to Pakistan so cant compare, but India and China are a disgrace. Building sites are a disgrace, workers in slippers or even barefoot, bamboo scaffolding etc.

In both countries the so called "elite" don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves, both countries have shocking figures when it comes to infanticide, where they believe that girl children are useless and have to be disposed of. They don't really care about the workers, if a few thousand die it's no big deal, it's a very sad state of affairs. And not to mention racism, one would think that there would be no racism in India, but trust me the facts are very different,

 

[Shajida Khan]

I think the first indicators a nation can be a developed country is seeing their culture toward materialism.

Then seeing their ambitions, hardworking, descipline and ability to be organized.


A religious country, who religion is strong, usually will be a poor country or at best to be trapped in middle income. As their main culture will be toward God, not extremely pursuing worldly materialism like there's no other salvation except money, science and technological wonders.

You will be surprised how much God loving Americans are. You will be again surprised how wealthy Mormons are or how successful Jews in Israel and elsewhere are. Religion and Religiosity of a country is very poor predictor of its economic success. Much better predictor is how good ease of doing business in that country is...

This is ease of doing map...

This is income per Capita. Do you see some correspondence?

Almost without fail, the country with high ease of doing business is quite wealthy. Reverse is not always true but forward is.

 

[NoOne'sBoy]

I don't have the numbers of all Western countries but I can give a slice with the US.

In the US there are 15.8 Million recreational boats (1 for every 20 people)

Going for a horse ride...there are 9.2 million horses in the country...and 2 million people own horses.
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About 15,000 non-government helicopters..and over 35,000 people have an active license to fly one.
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1 in 10 households have a private swimming pool
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1 in 5 people go on a ski trip each year.
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about 1 in 30 go on a cruise

There's about 400 Amusement parks/attractions in the US with about 375M tickets in total sold (that's 115% of the population).
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We have 148 Michelin starred restaurants

32Million live concert tickets were sold last year. That's about 1/10 the population.
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The number of large organized sporting events each day (1000's of Football, Baseball, Basketball, and hockey games) and the total attendance for it all each year is so large it would be difficult to calculate it all relative to the population.

exactly. People enjoy their lives unlike in asia where it's all about showing others what they have. They travel not for the experience but to stay in a 5 star hotel just to brag about it later, they buy things to show off. I've had enough of that shit in sri lanka. it's a poor country but people have no regard to the fellow citizens. i remember my friends collecting money for a ****ing retarded vehicle parade in school and to rent expensive cars so they can show that theirs is better than other schools while there are thousands of kids who dont have money to go to school

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

exactly. People enjoy their lives unlike in asia where it's all about showing others what they have. They travel not for the experience but to stay in a 5 star hotel just to brag about it later, they buy things to show off. I've had enough of that shit in sri lanka. it's a poor country but people have no regard to the fellow citizens. i remember my friends collecting money for a ****ing retarded vehicle parade in school and to rent expensive cars so they can show that theirs is better than other schools while there are thousands of kids who dont have money to go to school

Very true in and India, China it's all about that, just show off, it's not about enjoying the culture like you said it's just about going to another country and buying expensive things and then come back and brag about to everyone.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Okay there I was sneezing [have a bad cold] and a thought grabbed me. What if any are signs of a country/culture that has potential to get developed or is on the way to being developed? Well I leave all the complicated economic indicators to the likes od Riazhaq and the Indian techies here. Being a simple chap this is the 5 Point Test I have come up with. Go out in your town and see if you tick these boxes. Now don't forget to tick the sign it must be widespread or ubiquitous and not isolated to few cases. Okay here we go.
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@KediKesenFare @Joe Shearer etc

Kaptaan bhai, you are looking only at the symptoms and not the actual disease. Almost no high income country can be considered as 'under-developed'. And almost no country which has great ease of doing business remains low income for long. So there is only one index we need to track, the ease of doing business. Governments and communities should make it easy to do business in their countries and rest will take care of itself.

 

[Menthol]

You will be surprised how much God loving Americans are. You will be again surprised how wealthy Mormons are or how successful Jews in Israel and elsewhere are. Religion and Religiosity of a country is very poor predictor of its economic success. Much better predictor is how good ease of doing business in that country is...

This is ease of doing map...

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This is income per Capita. Do you see some correspondence?
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Almost without fail, the country with high ease of doing business is quite wealthy. Reverse is not always true but forward is.

Culture is the basic and most important.

Easy of doing business is supportive factor.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Culture is the basic and most important.

Easy of doing business is supportive factor.

I beg to differ. Business trumps all cultural divide. Almost all culture understand importance of making money. Almost all the major religions, languages, beliefs etc have excelled when the environment is supportive of business.

And especially Indians. The Indians who have moved out of India have done really well for themselves. Plus we have infliction points in our history like 1990s. It was this point when lethargic license raj was undone and India started growing economically faster than the so called 'Hindu Rate of Growth' prevalent in Nehruvian India.

 

[Menthol]

exactly. People enjoy their lives unlike in asia where it's all about showing others what they have. They travel not for the experience but to stay in a 5 star hotel just to brag about it later, they buy things to show off. I've had enough of that shit in sri lanka. it's a poor country but people have no regard to the fellow citizens. i remember my friends collecting money for a ****ing retarded vehicle parade in school and to rent expensive cars so they can show that theirs is better than other schools while there are thousands of kids who dont have money to go to school

Very true in and India, China it's all about that, just show off, it's not about enjoying the culture like you said it's just about going to another country and buying expensive things and then come back and brag about to everyone.

It's not true for Chinese people. Despite there are people like that but not majority.

Chinese people tend to look poorer than they should be. That is why many foreigner saw Chinese people have a very boring life.

But the truth, Chinese people spend their money and having fun too, but not overspend crazily.

I beg to differ. Business trumps all cultural divide. Almost all culture understand importance of making money. Almost all the major religions, languages, beliefs etc have excelled when the environment is supportive of business.

And especially Indians. The Indians who have moved out of India have done really well for themselves. Plus we have infliction points in our history like 1990s. It was this point when lethargic license raj was undone and India started growing economically faster than the so called 'Hindu Rate of Growth' prevalent in Nehruvian India.

I see. You saw it based on your experience in India.

I don't understand. India is not that bad, despite was a socialist country, but business was still allowed, isn't? And some people get extremely rich from it.

Unlike communist country where there's zero private business like those in USSR, Mao's China and North Korea.