Is the BJP hacking EVMs to win UP election?

[Joe Shearer]

EVMS can not be hacked.
People's mind....possible to hack.

Demonstrated a dozen times.

They do not have to enter the system; just carry off some systems, methodically enter votes for one candidate, and then submit that system for vote-counting.

 

[Rakesh]

Demonstrated a dozen times.

They do not have to enter the system; just carry off some systems, methodically enter votes for one candidate, and then submit that system for vote-counting.

Actually it is the process, which is fool proof. There are many stake holder (political parties).
Entire process, right from arrival of EVMs to counting of votes is done as per well devised method.
An EVM can be tempered, hacked or fiddled with. But the EVM which is going for election can not be accessed by general public. At every stage it is checked by agents of political parties.

(saying this from my experience, conducted three elections)

 

[aryadravida]

The people voted for bjp as they brought law and order situation under control. Besides they felt voting for samajwadi party would bring back Muslim hooliganism back....
Dalits and OBCs are Hindus at the end of the day... These casteist feelings have diluted a lot even in North India thanks to Muslims rowdyism.
Another 5 years of bjp in UP and it will become another gujarat: a Hindu hub.
BJP would always have a strong hindutva vote base across India regardless of their performance.
Some people are hoping bjp will lose in 2024.But bjp will sweep more seats than last time around ..it will win seats even from Andhra and Tamil nadu. The reason being opening of ram mandir and passing of uniform civil code bill.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The people voted for bjp as they brought law and order situation under control

By killing people in cold blood, and demonstrating that it is only order that matters, and not law?

It shows so clearly that there are people who believe that if a crowd decides that an individual is a person who requires killing, he - or she - is killed. Tell me the difference between this kind of killing in cold blood and the deaths at the hands of crowds convinced that an individual or a group has committed blasphemy that we see in the news from time to time?

Besides they felt voting for samajwadi party would bring back Muslim hooliganism back

I take it that you believe that Hindu hooliganism is a more pious variety than Muslim hooliganism.

So people would not vote for the Samajwadi Party, according to you, because that party would curtail Hindu hooliganism, presumably. In other words, killing people on suspicion of carrying forbidden meat on his person or in his house is not hooliganism; some other action is.

Yes, a familiar line of thinking, and of inciting the scum of the earth to take the law into their own hands.

Dalits and OBCs are Hindus at the end of the day

Of course. We have it on your authority that a Dalit will take all the insults and the slights that he and his family have had to take for over 1500 years now, just because some pompous prat (not you, some other) thinks he should be glad to be Hindu.

These casteist feelings have diluted a lot even in North India thanks to Muslims rowdyism

Clear now.

The casteist feeling is the feeling that is outraged that a Dalit may not ride a horse to his wedding, for fear of assault. It is not the beating and humiliation of such Dalits by the upper castes.

Not just clear, crystal clear.

Another 5 years of bjp in UP and it will become another gujarat: a Hindu hub.

Gandhi took 32 years to convince people that citizens of all religions were deserving of a place in the sun.

The Sangh and its offshoots took 55 years to convert Gujarati into a Hindu hub.

Just goes to show. It takes evil longer than it takes good, to prevail.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Another 5 years of bjp in UP and it will become another gujarat: a Hindu hub.

Gandhi took 32 years to convince people that citizens of all religions were deserving of a place in the sun.

The Sangh and its offshoots took 55 years to convert Gujarati into a Hindu hub.

Just goes to show. It takes evil longer than it takes good, to prevail.

BJP would always have a strong hindutva vote base across India regardless of their performance.

Ah, yes, that's why elected representatives had to be purchased, in Madhya Pradesh, in Goa, in Karnataka, in Manipur, in order to set up a government.

Some people are hoping bjp will lose in 2024.But bjp will sweep more seats than last time around ..it will win seats even from Andhra and Tamil nadu.

Is that a note of disappointment?

 

[Akshay89]

The people voted for bjp as they brought law and order situation under control. Besides they felt voting for samajwadi party would bring back Muslim hooliganism back....
Dalits and OBCs are Hindus at the end of the day... These casteist feelings have diluted a lot even in North India thanks to Muslims rowdyism.
Another 5 years of bjp in UP and it will become another gujarat: a Hindu hub.
BJP would always have a strong hindutva vote base across India regardless of their performance.
Some people are hoping bjp will lose in 2024.But bjp will sweep more seats than last time around ..it will win seats even from Andhra and Tamil nadu. The reason being opening of ram mandir and passing of uniform civil code bill.

If BJP wins in 2024, India will be destroyed.

Forget Muslims.

BJP has betrayed the poor, middle class and the unemployed.

BJP does not create employment opportunities. It creates hatred.

Even the world is heading for a global depression. BJP will just starve Indians to death and make them kill each other.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The reason being opening of ram mandir and passing of uniform civil code bill.

It is worth noticing that stupid people blurt out the truth. It is worth noticing that the BJP/Sangh supporters on social media no longer raises the issue of development and growth with which to anoint themselves.

At least that lie is out of the way. It was never about governance. it was never about economic performance. It was always about an inferiority complex that had to be itched.

 

[Rollno21]

They cannot do that in states like Punjab where BJP has no base. Or West Bengal where Mamta Banerjee is too popular among Bengalis. Or Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

Yogi has alienated OBCs, Dalits and even Brahmans. He is very arrogant and high handed. He does not posses oratory and crowd pulling skills of Modi. Uttar Pradesh is still one of the worst states in India.

Besides Congress and BSP are very weak atm. Only Samajwadi party is strong. Most OBCs and Muslims probably voted for it.


I just don't see how the BJP would win in UP.

And you forget 50% of the Muslim votes are women.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Actually it is the process, which is fool proof. There are many stake holder (political parties).
Entire process, right from arrival of EVMs to counting of votes is done as per well devised method.
An EVM can be tempered, hacked or fiddled with. But the EVM which is going for election can not be accessed by general public. At every stage it is checked by agents of political parties.

(saying this from my experience, conducted three elections)

Then, from your experience, you are aware how much the BJP has subverted processes that kept our institutions going, and brought in sleight of hand to get their own way. Right from harassing members of the Electoral Commission to threatening the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, to cooking up charges and detaining people for three years without a charge-sheet.

Do you still stand by your story of the sanctity of this process?

 

[Akshay89]

And you forget 50% of the Muslim votes are women.

Muslim women are voting for the BJP for the following reasons:
1) Targetting them in riots.
2) Refusing them entry in colleges.
3) Auctioning them online.

 

[jamahir]

The people voted for bjp as they brought law and order situation under control. Besides they felt voting for samajwadi party would bring back Muslim hooliganism back....

Yes yes, we all know about Bulldozer Baba who criminally destroyed the homes and confiscated properties and money of various people including those who participated in the anti-CAA-NRC protests and those against whom Babaji had political and other enmity because of which these citizens went into socio-economic difficulties including having to take loans to survive and which they have had difficulty paying but do you know that the Supreme Court ordered Babaji's government to repay the confiscated material back to the owners though the repayment is obviously not coming through as enthusiastically as the confiscations.

Some people are hoping bjp will lose in 2024.But bjp will sweep more seats than last time around ..it will win seats even from Andhra and Tamil nadu. The reason being opening of ram mandir and passing of uniform civil code bill.

Uniform Civil Code, eh ? In a true UCC it will be the Hindutvadis rampaging and screaming that their traditions are being insulted. But who will bring the true UCC ? Yogi as PM ? Here are some of Yogi's misogynist and suffocating views :

He believes women need male protection from birth to death and their ‘energy/power’ should be regulated or controlled, lest it become worthless and destructive.

He adds the shastras say that a woman is protected in her childhood by her father, by her husband in her youth and by her son in her old age — so that way a woman is not capable of being left free or independent.

In the old days he would have been the type to not allow a widow to remarry, let alone allow a divorce system to exist. He would have been the one to perpetuate the dowry system and the sati system and not allow the female to consent in marriage. We all know that he and his comrades would dearly like to replace the current Indian constitution with the Manusmriti.

By killing people in cold blood, and demonstrating that it is only order that matters, and not law?

It shows so clearly that there are people who believe that if a crowd decides that an individual is a person who requires killing, he - or she - is killed. Tell me the difference between this kind of killing in cold blood and the deaths at the hands of crowds convinced that an individual or a group has committed blasphemy that we see in the news from time to time?

I take it that you believe that Hindu hooliganism is a more pious variety than Muslim hooliganism.

So people would not vote for the Samajwadi Party, according to you, because that party would curtail Hindu hooliganism, presumably. In other words, killing people on suspicion of carrying forbidden meat on his person or in his house is not hooliganism; some other action is.

Yes, a familiar line of thinking, and of inciting the scum of the earth to take the law into their own hands.


Of course. We have it on your authority that a Dalit will take all the insults and the slights that he and his family have had to take for over 1500 years now, just because some pompous prat (not you, some other) thinks he should be glad to be Hindu.


Clear now.

The casteist feeling is the feeling that is outraged that a Dalit may not ride a horse to his wedding, for fear of assault. It is not the beating and humiliation of such Dalits by the upper castes.

Not just clear, crystal clear.


Gandhi took 32 years to convince people that citizens of all religions were deserving of a place in the sun.

The Sangh and its offshoots took 55 years to convert Gujarati into a Hindu hub.

Just goes to show. It takes evil longer than it takes good, to prevail.

Well said but isn't the Dalit oppression as old as 3000 years ( Aryan entry ) rather than 1500 ?

Muslim women are voting for the BJP for the following reasons:
1) Targetting them in riots.
2) Refusing them entry in colleges.
3) Auctioning them online.

Number 1 and 3 are valid issues but 2 is a different thing which I informed you in the thread on that topic.

 

[Akshay89]

but 2 is a different thing which I informed you in the thread on that topic.

You cannot deny education, just because they chose to wear a Burqa and hijab.

 

[Paitoo]

Largely because (1) EVM tampering; (2) buying up elected representatives of some other party are branded BJP manoeuvres.

Sr No. 2 will help them form government in all close elections. In fact now it is said that for any party to defeat BJP, they have to do so comprehensively.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well said but isn't the Dalit oppression as old as 3000 years ( Aryan entry ) rather than 1500 ?

Apparently not.

Geneticists say that different caste genetic profiles only got frozen with the increasing rigidity of the caste system roughly around 400 CE (400 AD).

That doesn't give much mental relief. Something like, 'Let's be lenient. Let's give him 30 lashes instead of 32.'

Sr No. 2 will help them form government in all close elections. In fact now it is said that for any party to defeat BJP, they have to do so comprehensively.

Totally so.

One of the things those bastards did was to pass that electoral funding rule - I don't remember if it was a statute or an ordinance. The one where you could buy an anonymous bond and donate it.

So the BJP has declared assets over twice that of the nearest second runner.

As you said, they have to be smashed and a stake driven through their heart to keep them from coming out of the coffin. Actually you didn't say - sorry.

 

[xeuss]

I watched exit polls of many news channels. Most exit polls are predicting BJP victory in Uttar Pradesh.

I know most news channel are on the payroll of the RSS.

But I don't understand how the BJP can win the most important Indian state.

* OBC and Muslim population is around 35 percent and 20 percent respectively. OBCs are angry with the BJP. Most OBCs went for Samajwadi Party this time. Muslims won't vote for the BJP.

* Dalits are angry with the BJP to due to rise in anti Dalit Hate crimes. Most of them would have voted for BSP. Dalits form around 25 percent.

* Brahmins are around 9.5 percent. Yogi (a Thakur) has irked Brahmins by favouring his caste over them. Atleast half of them would go with the Congress and the BSP.

* Farmers protest has turned agrarian castes like Jaats and Gujjars who are form a significant chunk of the population of western up anti BJP. Most Muslims of the state are concentrated in the Western Part.

* Thakurs who form around 7 percent of the state population would support Yogi (a thakur). Who would else vote for BJP? Some Brahmins. Some minor OBCs castes. Some minor Dalits castes. In short BJP wouldn't be able to garner more than 18 percent votes.



So how the BJP would cross the majority mark?

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EVM is not hacked. It is the Hindu mind that has been hacked.