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Should Pakistan students evacuated from China?

  • Yes, They should

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • No, They should not.

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • Agreed - 'Zindagi aur maut Allah ke haath mein' Pakistani embassy ...

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Total voters
    19

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Since, Virus Infection is increasing day by day. Being a human you people don't think that A normal people should not stay/live at infected place.

if anyone is not infected by the virus then he should moved to safer place?

It is a heart breaking if you not infected and you forcefully asked to stay in Infected place. if also a painful when you speak with your family and your mother will cry because of your
safety concerns.

If
Bangladesh/India can evaluate people and kept them in quarantine place, then why not Pakistan?

After reading below news..... I am very much worry about Pakistan students. Now people from
Pakistan will take on different way but really, it does not matter for me as of now, we are Indian or Pakistani..... we are a human...

China is doing best to control on this situation and I don't blame to them but their people can't relocate to other countries but we can save our
students because they are our responsibility.

Coronavirus death toll rises over 1,000
https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...ntinues-to-rise-97-fatalities-in-a-day/678305


A British man who contracted the new coronavirus on a business trip appears to have spread the virus to 11 other people.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-uk-superspreader.html


https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...ners-and-open-windows-to-reduce-risk-of-being





Coronavirus may infect up to 500000 in Wuhan before it peaks
Experts are predicting a mid-to-late February peak of the virus.
Jason Gale, Bloomberg / 10 February 2020 08:00
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A man by bicycles past an empty street on February 8, 2020 in Wuhan, Hubei province, China. Image: Bloomberg
The new coronavirus might have infected at least 500 000 people in Wuhan, the Chinese city at the epicentre of the global outbreak, by the time it peaks in coming weeks.

The typically bustling megacity, where the so-called 2019-nCoV virus emerged late last year, has been in effective lockdown since January 23, restricting the movement of 11 million people. Recent trends in reported cases in Wuhan broadly support the preliminary mathematical modelling the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine is using to predict the epidemic’s transmission dynamics.

“Assuming current trends continue, we’re still projecting a mid-to-late-February peak” of virus cases in Wuhan, Adam Kucharski, an associate professor of infectious disease epidemiology, said by email Sunday. “There’s a lot of uncertainty, so I’m cautious about picking out a single value for the peak, but it’s possible based on current data we might see a peak prevalence over 5%.”

That would potentially mean at least 1 in 20 people would have been infected in the city by the time the epidemic peaks, Kucharski said, adding that this may change if transmission patterns slow in coming days. The prediction doesn’t indicate a coming surge in cases in Wuhan, but that the current cumulative total doesn’t reflect all infections, especially mild ones, that have occurred.

Health authorities in China and around the world are anxiously waiting to know whether the world’s largest known quarantine effort has been effective in containing the pneumonia-causing virus in Wuhan and across other cities in Hubei province, a landlocked region of 60 million people.



Kucharski, whose research focuses on the dynamics of infectious diseases, and colleagues have based their modelling on a range of assumptions about the 2019-nCoV virus. These include an incubation period of 5.2 days, a delay from the onset of symptoms to confirmation of infection of 6.1 days, and about 10 million people being at risk of infection in Wuhan.

Based on that, a prevalence of 5% equates to about 500 000 cumulative infections. That’s many times more than the 16 902 cases provincial health authorities had counted in Wuhan as of midnight Sunday.

Researchers will gauge the proportion of people in the population who have been infected with 2019-nCoV after a test becomes available that enables them to conduct a so-called serosurvey to identify those whose blood contains antibodies produced in response to exposure to the virus.

Currently, the true number of people in Wuhan exposed to the virus “may be vastly underestimated,” Manuel Battegay and colleagues at the University of Basel in Switzerland said in a study published Friday. “With a focus on thousands of serious cases, mild or asymptomatic courses that possibly account for the bulk of the 2019-nCoV infections might remain largely unrecognised, in particular during the influenza season.”

Authorities in China have counted more than 37 000 cases — of which more than 800 have been fatal — over the past two months. That has surpassed the 774 fatalities from the 2002-2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, over eight months, according to the World Health Organisation.

Mild symptoms

In the first 17 000 or so cases, about 82% are mild, 15% severe and 3% critical, the WHO said Friday. Of 138 patients admitted to Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in the first four weeks of January, 26% were placed in intensive care and 4.3% died, a study in the Journal of the American Medical Association published Friday found.

While the fast-moving, infectious coronavirus has caused thousands of people to fall gravely ill and overwhelm hospitals, once researchers understand the full spectrum of illness associated with the virus, the overall case-fatality risk is likely to be much less than 1%, said Ian Lipkin, director of the Centre for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health in New York.

People with mild or no apparent symptoms aren’t currently being counted among cases, he told reporters Sunday. A slowdown in the increase in reported cases over the past few days is “meaningful,” according to Lipkin, who recently returned to the US from China, where he was advising on the outbreak. He spoke with journalists during a 14-day home quarantine.

If measures taken so far to contain the outbreak are effective, some “dramatic reductions” in infections should be observed in the third or fourth weeks of February, he said. Warmer, early-spring weather might also impede transmission, he said.

Some studies indicate an infected person may not display symptoms for 14 days or more, with testing and confirmation of cases adding to delays. This will prolong the time it will take to identify whether China’s unprecedented disease-control measures have worked.

“The next two weeks are really critical to understand what’s been happening,” said Benjamin Cowling, head of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Hong Kong, in an interview in Melbourne on Thursday. “And, is this going to spread into other locations, or have we avoided what could be a global pandemic because of the control measures that have been implemented to date?”

The number of cases reported in Wuhan and across Hubei province has been tracking downward over the past several days.

“There has been a stabilisation in the number of cases reported from Hubei, and we’re in a four-day stable period where the number of reported cases hasn’t advanced,” Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Program, told reporters in Geneva Saturday. “That’s good news and may reflect the impact of the control measures that have been put in place.”

Watch and wait

There has been a “low, but steady incidence” of infections in places outside Hubei, Ryan said. It’s unclear which of those provinces may control the disease or where it might escalate, he said.

“We hope that the same stabilisation that appears to be occurring in Wuhan also occurs outside,” Ryan said. “But, again it’s very, very, very early to make any predictions about numbers.”

“This is still a very intense disease outbreak in Wuhan and Hubei, and there are still great risks in practically all of the other provinces, so we will wait and see,” he said.

https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news-fas...nfect-up-to-500-000-in-wuhan-before-it-peaks/
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Coronavirus super-spreaders: Why are they important?
By James GallagherHealth and science reporter, BBC News


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Super-spreading, where individual patients pass on an infection to large numbers of people, is a feature of nearly every outbreak.

It is not their fault but can have a significant impact on how diseases spread.

There are reports of super-spreading during the new coronavirus outbreak, which has centred on Wuhan, in China.

A British man who had been in Singapore has been linked to four cases in the UK, five in France and possibly one in Majorca.

Coronavirus claims 97 lives in one day

Four more people diagnosed in UK

How worried should we be?

What it does to the body

What is a super-spreader?
It is a bit of a vague term, with no strict scientific definition.

But it is when a patient infects significantly more people than usual.

On average, each person infected with the new coronavirus is passing it on to between two and three other people.

But this is only an average; some people will pass it on to nobody while others pass their infection on to far more.

How big can a super-spreading event be?
Massive - and they can have a huge effect on an outbreak.

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Image captionMost Ebola cases came from a small number of patients
In 2015, a super-spreading event led to 82 people being infected from a single hospital patient with Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers), a coronavirus distantly related to the current virus

And in the Ebola epidemic in West Africa, the vast majority of cases (61%) came from just a tiny handful of patients (3%).

"There were more than 100 new chains of transmission from just one funeral in June 2014," Dr Nathalie MacDermott, from King's College London, says.

Why do some people spread more?
Some just come into contact with far more people - either because of their job or where they live - and that means they can spread more of the disease, whether or not they themselves have symptoms.

"Kids are good at that - that's why closing schools can be a good measure," Dr John Edmunds, from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says.

"Commercial sex workers were very important in spreading HIV," Prof Mark Woolhouse, from the University of Edinburgh, says .

Others are "super-shedders", who release unusually large amounts of virus (or other bug) from their bodies, so anybody coming into contact with them is more likely to become infected.

Hospitals treating severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) became a major centre of super-spreading because the sickest patients were also the most infectious and they came into contact with lots of healthcare workers.

How do they change an outbreak?
"It plays a big role at the beginning of any outbreak, when the virus is trying to get established," Dr Edmunds told BBC News.

New infections, including the coronavirus, come from animals.

When it makes the jump into the first patient, the disease might fizzle out before it can cause a large outbreak.

But if it can quickly find its way into a super-spreader, then it gives the outbreak a boost. The same rules apply when cases are imported into other countries.

"If you have several super-spreaders in close proximity, you're going to struggle to contain your outbreak," Dr MacDermott says.

What will it take to stop coronavirus if there is super-spreading?
Super-spreading of the new coronavirus would not be a surprise and will not significantly change how the disease is managed.

At the moment, we are completely reliant on identifying cases and anyone they have come into contact with quickly.

"It makes that even more important - you can't afford too many mistakes, you can't afford to miss the super-spreader," Prof Woolhouse says.

Is it the super-spreader's fault?
Historically, there has been a tendency to demonise the super-spreader.

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Image captionMary Mallon was blamed for super-spreading typhoid
"Typhoid Mary", Irish cook Mary Mallon (1869-1938), unknowingly passed on typhoid fever when she had no symptoms and ended up spending decades in exile and forced quarantine.

But in reality, it's not the patient's fault.

"We need to be careful of the language we use," Dr MacDermott says.

"They haven't done anything wrong, this is an infection picked up through no fault of their own.

"They're probably afraid and need love and attention."

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Coronavirus super-spreaders: Why are they important?
 
.
Since, Virus Infection is increasing day by day. Being a human you people don't think that A normal people should not stay/live at infected place.

if anyone is not infected by the virus then he should moved to safer place?

It is a heart breaking if you not infected and you forcefully asked to stay in Infected place. if also a painful when you speak with your family and your mother will cry because of your
safety concerns.

If
Bangladesh/India can evaluate people and kept them in quarantine place, then why not Pakistan?

After reading below news..... I am very much worry about Pakistan students. Now people from
Pakistan will take on different way but really, it does not matter for me as of now, we are Indian or Pakistani..... we are a human...

China is doing best to control on this situation and I don't blame to them but their people can't relocate to other countries but we can save our
students because they are our responsibility.

Coronavirus death toll rises over 1,000
https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...ntinues-to-rise-97-fatalities-in-a-day/678305


A British man who contracted the new coronavirus on a business trip appears to have spread the virus to 11 other people.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-uk-superspreader.html


https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...ners-and-open-windows-to-reduce-risk-of-being





Coronavirus may infect up to 500000 in Wuhan before it peaks
Experts are predicting a mid-to-late February peak of the virus.
Jason Gale, Bloomberg / 10 February 2020 08:00
1
358149254-1-555x370.jpg

A man by bicycles past an empty street on February 8, 2020 in Wuhan, Hubei province, China. Image: Bloomberg
The new coronavirus might have infected at least 500 000 people in Wuhan, the Chinese city at the epicentre of the global outbreak, by the time it peaks in coming weeks.

The typically bustling megacity, where the so-called 2019-nCoV virus emerged late last year, has been in effective lockdown since January 23, restricting the movement of 11 million people. Recent trends in reported cases in Wuhan broadly support the preliminary mathematical modelling the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine is using to predict the epidemic’s transmission dynamics.

“Assuming current trends continue, we’re still projecting a mid-to-late-February peak” of virus cases in Wuhan, Adam Kucharski, an associate professor of infectious disease epidemiology, said by email Sunday. “There’s a lot of uncertainty, so I’m cautious about picking out a single value for the peak, but it’s possible based on current data we might see a peak prevalence over 5%.”

That would potentially mean at least 1 in 20 people would have been infected in the city by the time the epidemic peaks, Kucharski said, adding that this may change if transmission patterns slow in coming days. The prediction doesn’t indicate a coming surge in cases in Wuhan, but that the current cumulative total doesn’t reflect all infections, especially mild ones, that have occurred.

Health authorities in China and around the world are anxiously waiting to know whether the world’s largest known quarantine effort has been effective in containing the pneumonia-causing virus in Wuhan and across other cities in Hubei province, a landlocked region of 60 million people.



Kucharski, whose research focuses on the dynamics of infectious diseases, and colleagues have based their modelling on a range of assumptions about the 2019-nCoV virus. These include an incubation period of 5.2 days, a delay from the onset of symptoms to confirmation of infection of 6.1 days, and about 10 million people being at risk of infection in Wuhan.

Based on that, a prevalence of 5% equates to about 500 000 cumulative infections. That’s many times more than the 16 902 cases provincial health authorities had counted in Wuhan as of midnight Sunday.

Researchers will gauge the proportion of people in the population who have been infected with 2019-nCoV after a test becomes available that enables them to conduct a so-called serosurvey to identify those whose blood contains antibodies produced in response to exposure to the virus.

Currently, the true number of people in Wuhan exposed to the virus “may be vastly underestimated,” Manuel Battegay and colleagues at the University of Basel in Switzerland said in a study published Friday. “With a focus on thousands of serious cases, mild or asymptomatic courses that possibly account for the bulk of the 2019-nCoV infections might remain largely unrecognised, in particular during the influenza season.”

Authorities in China have counted more than 37 000 cases — of which more than 800 have been fatal — over the past two months. That has surpassed the 774 fatalities from the 2002-2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, over eight months, according to the World Health Organisation.

Mild symptoms

In the first 17 000 or so cases, about 82% are mild, 15% severe and 3% critical, the WHO said Friday. Of 138 patients admitted to Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in the first four weeks of January, 26% were placed in intensive care and 4.3% died, a study in the Journal of the American Medical Association published Friday found.

While the fast-moving, infectious coronavirus has caused thousands of people to fall gravely ill and overwhelm hospitals, once researchers understand the full spectrum of illness associated with the virus, the overall case-fatality risk is likely to be much less than 1%, said Ian Lipkin, director of the Centre for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health in New York.

People with mild or no apparent symptoms aren’t currently being counted among cases, he told reporters Sunday. A slowdown in the increase in reported cases over the past few days is “meaningful,” according to Lipkin, who recently returned to the US from China, where he was advising on the outbreak. He spoke with journalists during a 14-day home quarantine.

If measures taken so far to contain the outbreak are effective, some “dramatic reductions” in infections should be observed in the third or fourth weeks of February, he said. Warmer, early-spring weather might also impede transmission, he said.

Some studies indicate an infected person may not display symptoms for 14 days or more, with testing and confirmation of cases adding to delays. This will prolong the time it will take to identify whether China’s unprecedented disease-control measures have worked.

“The next two weeks are really critical to understand what’s been happening,” said Benjamin Cowling, head of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Hong Kong, in an interview in Melbourne on Thursday. “And, is this going to spread into other locations, or have we avoided what could be a global pandemic because of the control measures that have been implemented to date?”

The number of cases reported in Wuhan and across Hubei province has been tracking downward over the past several days.

“There has been a stabilisation in the number of cases reported from Hubei, and we’re in a four-day stable period where the number of reported cases hasn’t advanced,” Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Program, told reporters in Geneva Saturday. “That’s good news and may reflect the impact of the control measures that have been put in place.”

Watch and wait

There has been a “low, but steady incidence” of infections in places outside Hubei, Ryan said. It’s unclear which of those provinces may control the disease or where it might escalate, he said.

“We hope that the same stabilisation that appears to be occurring in Wuhan also occurs outside,” Ryan said. “But, again it’s very, very, very early to make any predictions about numbers.”

“This is still a very intense disease outbreak in Wuhan and Hubei, and there are still great risks in practically all of the other provinces, so we will wait and see,” he said.

https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news-fas...nfect-up-to-500-000-in-wuhan-before-it-peaks/
https://nypost.com/2020/02/10/coronavirus-may-infect-over-500k-in-wuhan-before-it-peaks-study-says/
Yes, the Pakistani brothers are safe in China. But this question is somewhat misleading. In fact, all foreign friends are very safe in China. As we all know, China is one of the most popular countries in the world, receiving 63 million foreign tourists every year.

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Asia & Pacific
Many countries are trying to evacuate citizens from China. Pakistan is not.
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Pakistanis arrive from China at Islamabad International Airport on Monday. (Aamir Qureshi/AFP/Getty Images)
By Haq Nawaz Khan and Shaiq Hussain
Feb. 8, 2020 at 3:30 p.m. GMT+5:30


TANGI, Pakistan — The parents fought back tears as they exchanged pleasantries with their oldest son over a grainy video connection — their only portal into the cordoned-off Chinese city of Wuhan that has become his prison amid the deadly coronavirus outbreak.

The mother wanted to know: “Are you taking good care of your health and eating well?”

The father, struggling to keep his composure, turned away from the screen as his face reddened.

Their son, Azlan Nihar, is one of 800 Pakistani students stranded in Wuhan whom the government in Islamabad is refusing to evacuate. While other countries have evacuated their citizens from the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, officials in Islamabad said a similar move by Pakistan would be “irresponsible” because the country lacks the ability to prevent the spread of the virus and treat those infected.

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Four Pakistani students in Wuhan have tested positive for the coronavirus.

The decision reflects the shortcomings of Pakistan’s health-care system, which has long struggled with limited resources and entrenched corruption. The country has a dismal record of containing viral outbreaks and is one of the few in the world still battling polio, with more than 130 cases in 2019. Dengue fever infected more than 47,000 last year.

“We will not let our son be sacrificed for others. Our government is doing this to sacrifice [him] for others,” said Nihar’s mother, Azra, referring to the government’s inability to quarantine people the way other countries have after evacuating them from Wuhan.


Even though it is not bringing its citizens out of Wuhan, Pakistan has resumed flights to and from other cities in China. Pakistan’s Health Ministry justified the move with assurances that all passengers would be screened for the coronavirus before boarding planes in China and upon landing in Pakistan.

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Pakistan’s top health official, Zafar Mirza, defended the decision not to evacuate, saying in an interview that it is “good for the country and for the students there, too.” He said China is containing the virus.

“Our people are properly taken care of,” he said. “We want good for them, and we are doing what’s best for them. We believe any irresponsible act could lead to the spread of virus.”

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Zafar Mirza briefs the media on the coronavirus, in Islamabad, on Feb. 1. (Farooq Naeem/AFP/Getty Images)
Families of the stranded students have protested the decision not to evacuate, as have opposition politicians.


“The government should immediately bring our students back except those affected by the virus,” opposition lawmaker Khawaja Muhammad Asif said during a televised parliamentary session Thursday. “They should be brought back, and they can be tested again and kept in quarantine for some time.”

But an editorial in Dawn, a leading newspaper here, suggested many Pakistanis greeted the decision not to repatriate the students with relief.

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“While acknowledging the distress of the stranded Pakistanis and the fact that they should have been provided government assistance much earlier, pragmatism must dictate the state’s response,” the editorial said, adding that a coronavirus outbreak in Pakistan would be devastating.

“It is regrettable that facilities in this country are not equal to the task of properly managing quarantine requirements, an important aspect of a well-functioning health system,” the editorial said.

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Azlan Nihar’s parents hold back tears this week in Tangi as they speak to their son, who is stuck in Wuhan, China. (Haq Nawaz Khan for The Washington Post)
Zeeshan Abbasi, 23, had been studying Chinese in Wuhan when the coronavirus prompted officials to shut down the city. He has since been confined to a small room in his dormitory. The only people permitted to come and go are Chinese officials who drop off food and perform daily medical checkups on the students, according to his brother, Farhan Abbasi.

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Before the virus outbreak, Zeeshan’s studies in China were a point of pride for his family. He had planned to stay for his graduate studies before returning to Pakistan to work. Now he says he feels trapped and just wants to return home immediately, according to his family members.

“I can see the deep negative impact on their minds. They are in isolation from their families and the entire world,” said Farhan, 34, who keeps in touch with Zeeshan through messaging apps and video phone calls. Every day, he said, his family fears for Zeeshan’s health as conditions in Wuhan deteriorate.

“This agony is beyond explanation,” Farhan said.

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Students and family members of Pakistani students living in Wuhan demonstrate Feb. 1 in Islamabad to protest the government’s decision to leave them in China. (Farooq Naeem/AFP/Getty Images)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28c37c-48ea-11ea-8a1f-de1597be6cbc_story.html

Yes, the Pakistani brothers are safe in China. But this question is somewhat misleading. In fact, all foreign friends are very safe in China. As we all know, China is one of the most popular countries in the world, receiving 63 million foreign tourists every year.

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I agreed but sorry to say that.... it's not about China.... it's about virus..

It does not matter which place, location, City, state or country........ Is safe to staying their if virus spreading?? Also, infection counts and dead is increasing day by day..

Again I am not saying against or blaming to China... I am asking a general opinion..
 
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Asia & Pacific
Many countries are trying to evacuate citizens from China. Pakistan is not.
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Pakistanis arrive from China at Islamabad International Airport on Monday. (Aamir Qureshi/AFP/Getty Images)
By Haq Nawaz Khan and Shaiq Hussain
Feb. 8, 2020 at 3:30 p.m. GMT+5:30


TANGI, Pakistan — The parents fought back tears as they exchanged pleasantries with their oldest son over a grainy video connection — their only portal into the cordoned-off Chinese city of Wuhan that has become his prison amid the deadly coronavirus outbreak.

The mother wanted to know: “Are you taking good care of your health and eating well?”

The father, struggling to keep his composure, turned away from the screen as his face reddened.

Their son, Azlan Nihar, is one of 800 Pakistani students stranded in Wuhan whom the government in Islamabad is refusing to evacuate. While other countries have evacuated their citizens from the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, officials in Islamabad said a similar move by Pakistan would be “irresponsible” because the country lacks the ability to prevent the spread of the virus and treat those infected.

AD

Four Pakistani students in Wuhan have tested positive for the coronavirus.

The decision reflects the shortcomings of Pakistan’s health-care system, which has long struggled with limited resources and entrenched corruption. The country has a dismal record of containing viral outbreaks and is one of the few in the world still battling polio, with more than 130 cases in 2019. Dengue fever infected more than 47,000 last year.

“We will not let our son be sacrificed for others. Our government is doing this to sacrifice [him] for others,” said Nihar’s mother, Azra, referring to the government’s inability to quarantine people the way other countries have after evacuating them from Wuhan.


Even though it is not bringing its citizens out of Wuhan, Pakistan has resumed flights to and from other cities in China. Pakistan’s Health Ministry justified the move with assurances that all passengers would be screened for the coronavirus before boarding planes in China and upon landing in Pakistan.

AD
Pakistan’s top health official, Zafar Mirza, defended the decision not to evacuate, saying in an interview that it is “good for the country and for the students there, too.” He said China is containing the virus.

“Our people are properly taken care of,” he said. “We want good for them, and we are doing what’s best for them. We believe any irresponsible act could lead to the spread of virus.”

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Zafar Mirza briefs the media on the coronavirus, in Islamabad, on Feb. 1. (Farooq Naeem/AFP/Getty Images)
Families of the stranded students have protested the decision not to evacuate, as have opposition politicians.


“The government should immediately bring our students back except those affected by the virus,” opposition lawmaker Khawaja Muhammad Asif said during a televised parliamentary session Thursday. “They should be brought back, and they can be tested again and kept in quarantine for some time.”

But an editorial in Dawn, a leading newspaper here, suggested many Pakistanis greeted the decision not to repatriate the students with relief.

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“While acknowledging the distress of the stranded Pakistanis and the fact that they should have been provided government assistance much earlier, pragmatism must dictate the state’s response,” the editorial said, adding that a coronavirus outbreak in Pakistan would be devastating.

“It is regrettable that facilities in this country are not equal to the task of properly managing quarantine requirements, an important aspect of a well-functioning health system,” the editorial said.

imrs.php

Azlan Nihar’s parents hold back tears this week in Tangi as they speak to their son, who is stuck in Wuhan, China. (Haq Nawaz Khan for The Washington Post)
Zeeshan Abbasi, 23, had been studying Chinese in Wuhan when the coronavirus prompted officials to shut down the city. He has since been confined to a small room in his dormitory. The only people permitted to come and go are Chinese officials who drop off food and perform daily medical checkups on the students, according to his brother, Farhan Abbasi.

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Before the virus outbreak, Zeeshan’s studies in China were a point of pride for his family. He had planned to stay for his graduate studies before returning to Pakistan to work. Now he says he feels trapped and just wants to return home immediately, according to his family members.

“I can see the deep negative impact on their minds. They are in isolation from their families and the entire world,” said Farhan, 34, who keeps in touch with Zeeshan through messaging apps and video phone calls. Every day, he said, his family fears for Zeeshan’s health as conditions in Wuhan deteriorate.

“This agony is beyond explanation,” Farhan said.

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Students and family members of Pakistani students living in Wuhan demonstrate Feb. 1 in Islamabad to protest the government’s decision to leave them in China. (Farooq Naeem/AFP/Getty Images)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28c37c-48ea-11ea-8a1f-de1597be6cbc_story.html



I agreed but sorry to say that.... it's not about China.... it's about virus..

It does not matter which place, location, City, state or country........ if virus is spreading then staying their is safe?? Also, infection counts and dead is increasing day by day..

Again I am not saying against or blaming to China... I am asking a general opinion..
Brother, this can't blame Pakistan. First of all. you need to understand the medical level in South Asia. Even the Indian medical level also behind Wuhan. This is reality.

Asia & Pacific
Many countries are trying to evacuate citizens from China. Pakistan is not.
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Pakistanis arrive from China at Islamabad International Airport on Monday. (Aamir Qureshi/AFP/Getty Images)
By Haq Nawaz Khan and Shaiq Hussain
Feb. 8, 2020 at 3:30 p.m. GMT+5:30


TANGI, Pakistan — The parents fought back tears as they exchanged pleasantries with their oldest son over a grainy video connection — their only portal into the cordoned-off Chinese city of Wuhan that has become his prison amid the deadly coronavirus outbreak.

The mother wanted to know: “Are you taking good care of your health and eating well?”

The father, struggling to keep his composure, turned away from the screen as his face reddened.

Their son, Azlan Nihar, is one of 800 Pakistani students stranded in Wuhan whom the government in Islamabad is refusing to evacuate. While other countries have evacuated their citizens from the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, officials in Islamabad said a similar move by Pakistan would be “irresponsible” because the country lacks the ability to prevent the spread of the virus and treat those infected.

AD

Four Pakistani students in Wuhan have tested positive for the coronavirus.

The decision reflects the shortcomings of Pakistan’s health-care system, which has long struggled with limited resources and entrenched corruption. The country has a dismal record of containing viral outbreaks and is one of the few in the world still battling polio, with more than 130 cases in 2019. Dengue fever infected more than 47,000 last year.

“We will not let our son be sacrificed for others. Our government is doing this to sacrifice [him] for others,” said Nihar’s mother, Azra, referring to the government’s inability to quarantine people the way other countries have after evacuating them from Wuhan.


Even though it is not bringing its citizens out of Wuhan, Pakistan has resumed flights to and from other cities in China. Pakistan’s Health Ministry justified the move with assurances that all passengers would be screened for the coronavirus before boarding planes in China and upon landing in Pakistan.

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Pakistan’s top health official, Zafar Mirza, defended the decision not to evacuate, saying in an interview that it is “good for the country and for the students there, too.” He said China is containing the virus.

“Our people are properly taken care of,” he said. “We want good for them, and we are doing what’s best for them. We believe any irresponsible act could lead to the spread of virus.”

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Zafar Mirza briefs the media on the coronavirus, in Islamabad, on Feb. 1. (Farooq Naeem/AFP/Getty Images)
Families of the stranded students have protested the decision not to evacuate, as have opposition politicians.


“The government should immediately bring our students back except those affected by the virus,” opposition lawmaker Khawaja Muhammad Asif said during a televised parliamentary session Thursday. “They should be brought back, and they can be tested again and kept in quarantine for some time.”

But an editorial in Dawn, a leading newspaper here, suggested many Pakistanis greeted the decision not to repatriate the students with relief.

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“While acknowledging the distress of the stranded Pakistanis and the fact that they should have been provided government assistance much earlier, pragmatism must dictate the state’s response,” the editorial said, adding that a coronavirus outbreak in Pakistan would be devastating.

“It is regrettable that facilities in this country are not equal to the task of properly managing quarantine requirements, an important aspect of a well-functioning health system,” the editorial said.

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Azlan Nihar’s parents hold back tears this week in Tangi as they speak to their son, who is stuck in Wuhan, China. (Haq Nawaz Khan for The Washington Post)
Zeeshan Abbasi, 23, had been studying Chinese in Wuhan when the coronavirus prompted officials to shut down the city. He has since been confined to a small room in his dormitory. The only people permitted to come and go are Chinese officials who drop off food and perform daily medical checkups on the students, according to his brother, Farhan Abbasi.

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Before the virus outbreak, Zeeshan’s studies in China were a point of pride for his family. He had planned to stay for his graduate studies before returning to Pakistan to work. Now he says he feels trapped and just wants to return home immediately, according to his family members.

“I can see the deep negative impact on their minds. They are in isolation from their families and the entire world,” said Farhan, 34, who keeps in touch with Zeeshan through messaging apps and video phone calls. Every day, he said, his family fears for Zeeshan’s health as conditions in Wuhan deteriorate.

“This agony is beyond explanation,” Farhan said.

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Students and family members of Pakistani students living in Wuhan demonstrate Feb. 1 in Islamabad to protest the government’s decision to leave them in China. (Farooq Naeem/AFP/Getty Images)

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I agreed but sorry to say that.... it's not about China.... it's about virus..

It does not matter which place, location, City, state or country........ Is safe to staying their if virus spreading?? Also, infection counts and dead is increasing day by day..

Again I am not saying against or blaming to China... I am asking a general opinion..
Yes, brother. I understand you.

But have you considered realistic issues? If China cannot defeat the virus. Do you think India and Pakistan can?
 
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Brother, this can't blame Pakistan. First of all. you need to understand the medical level in South Asia. Even the Indian medical level also behind Wuhan. This is reality.

Yes, brother. I understand you.

But have you considered realistic issues? If China cannot defeat the virus. Do you think India and Pakistan can?

Actually I have different point of view. As per me, if situation is against you and you don't know how to fight and also no plans, then it is better to step back and be safe.

Once, plan is ready and you know how to beat the enemy then come back and fight against them...
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The same way, I am not doubting on China ability to handle the situation and also medical level. China medial science technology is much advanced compare to India and Pakistan...

But presently, situation is not under control....still you are fighting to control the situation..

china is trying to save thousands of people. Other countries need to take care only few people (after evaluating from China). It also makes lot of difference....

Other countries might can not control thousand of infections but they can surely manage to control if only few infections.

Till now, i would suggest to people should be safe as possible. And, best way to move from Infected areas...
 
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That Pakistan cannot quarantine the students brought back from China is a lie. All the quarantine needs is a place for the students to be kept for 14 days with masks and food.

At worst 10 of those brought back might be infected. Those will need to be treated with antiviral, fluid iv and antipyretics and maybe a couple out of those may need to be kept on ventilators.
 
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That Pakistan cannot quarantine the students brought back from China is a lie. All the quarantine needs is a place for the students to be kept for 14 days with masks and food.

At worst 10 of those brought back might be infected. Those will need to be treated with antiviral, fluid iv and antipyretics and maybe a couple out of those may need to be kept on ventilators.

If India can then Pakistan can too .... We are just talking about few hundreds students (specific)..
 
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Zindagi aur mout Allah ke haath main hai. Hmm
 
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Actually I have different point of view. As per me, if situation is against you and you don't know how to fight and also no plans, then it is better to step back and be safe.

Once, plan is ready and you know how to beat the enemy then come back and fight against them...
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The same way, I am doubting on China ability to handle the situation and also medical level. China medial science technology is much advanced compare to India and Pakistan...

But presently, situation is not under control....still you are fighting to control the situation..

Till now, i would suggest to people should be safe as possible. And, best way to move from Infected areas...
bro. We are not discussing political issues. It should not be "emotional". we need to better understand reality.

1, Does South Asia have enough well-equipped hospitals?
2, Does South Asia have enough electricity and running water(Personal hygiene is important)?
3, Does South Asia have enough health care professionals?
4, Does South Asia have a reasonable plan for dealing with the virus?
5, There are 11 million people in Wuhan. Most have their own separate rooms and bathrooms. keep distance. Avoid collective contact. This can be effective against viruses. But South Asia...is your toilet adequate? How many people use one toilet?

This is not "emotional" time.
 
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Zindagi aur mout Allah ke haath main hai. Hmm

Totally agreed, but if I am driving my car 100KM/h and during the car drive, I will not press break pads to stop.

however, i will say that 'Zindagi aur mout Allah ke haath main hai'.......... Then what you will say about my decision.
 
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bro. We are not discussing political issues. It should not be "emotional". we need to better understand reality.

1, Does South Asia have enough well-equipped hospitals?
2, Does South Asia have enough electricity and running water(Personal hygiene is important)?
3, Does South Asia have enough health care professionals?
4, Does South Asia have a reasonable plan for dealing with the virus?
5, There are 11 million people in Wuhan. Most have their own separate rooms and bathrooms. keep distance. Avoid collective contact. This can be effective against viruses. But South Asia...is your toilet adequate? How many people use one toilet?

This is not "emotional" time.

OK, Man! we are having different opinion..Also let me correct my self.... It was a typo mistake and I have corrected.

however, you pointed on toilet.....Of-course, it was expected.

The same way, I am not doubting on China ability to handle the situation and also medical level. China medial science technology is much advanced compare to India and Pakistan...

anywhere but gangustan

Sorry, Pakistani bro! you are bringing dirty politics and blame game here.....
 
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OK, Man! we are having different opinion..Also let me correct my self.... It was a typo mistake and I have corrected.

however, you pointed on toilet.....Of-course, it was expected.

The same way, I am not doubting on China ability to handle the situation and also medical level. China medial science technology is much advanced compare to India and Pakistan...



Sorry, Pakistani bro! you are bringing dirty politics and blame game here.....
bro. I don't discuss political issues. For some "little stories". I don't care.

Hope you can understand. We cannot deal with it emotionally. This does not solve the problem. Be cautious. Be careful again.
 
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