Is PAF any good now after the russian sale of S-400 to Indians

[illusion8]

They(PAF) wanted to have European radars for their JF-17 program- Up gradation of their SAM system etc- MMRCA made the Europeans reluctant-

Hmmm. . More to do with the weapons embargo in place on china and reluctance to supply radars and electronics for a chinese plane.

 

[khail007]

Going thru this thread, I found very few posts which are logically and technically informative.

The usual impression of posts is that; as India is going to get S400 so even USA is afraid of this system. In this living and continously advancing world nothing can coupe S400.

In short, whatever Indian got that weapon/system not counter-able.

 

[GURU DUTT]

There are surface launched decoys too, plus S-400 has ammo limitations too . Even a swarm of decoys, will do the trick, once that's done, it's Indian's without S-400 again.
Likewise we too monitor your air traffic, to an extent what may serve our needs.
Everything has it's weaknesses.

well at the most you can do that in a small place but owr air defence network streches to the lenth of your country and any mass movement will be detected much before you are in a postion to launch such an offensive or likes on many loacations simontainouslly as you forget to lauch such a thing you will need huge ammounts of trucks or railway movement wich also can be deted much earlier + we also have Sats specially for that job + many assets in pakistan itself ... try again you can do better as if that was possible pakistan would have had tried that already :

 

[Moon]

well at the most you can do that in a small place but owr air defence network streches to the lenth of your country and any mass movement will be detected much before you are in a postion to launch such an offensive or likes on many loacations simontainouslly as you forget to lauch such a thing you will need huge ammounts of trucks or railway movement wich also can be deted much earlier + we also have Sats specially for that job + many assets in pakistan itself ... try again you can do better as if that was possible pakistan would have had tried that already :

You speak as if we have no access to military satellites, and have literally no "assests" within Indian establishment. You don't need huge amount of movement to launch decoys (they're small and even a dozen of them will render a S-400 battery useless) being an elite member on a military forum, you should know that.
On the side note, has India even integrated the S-400?.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You speak as if we have no access to military satellites, and have literally no "assests" within Indian establishment. You don't need huge amount of movement to launch decoys (they're small and even a dozen of them will render a S-400 battery useless) being an elite member on a military forum, you should know that.
On the side note, has India even integrated the S-400?.

well few things to refresh you

1. its not just pakistan who has professional strategists in this field

2. its not just pakistan who has anty radiation assets like drones and decoys to fool enemy air defences and there countermesures

3.India has a dedicated space programme for this very purpose + active help from israelies and russians and some say even USA

4.India already has a very large and extended air defnce network with its own special forces to protect it from sabotage and arial and ground based multi band and multi layered networks

5.india also happen to have a very strong multi layered SAM network

go and google about indian radars and sam network that is avilable on net and thats just a part of the bigger picture and as for S400 we are yet to buy it ask OP why he started the thread on presumptions

 

[Moon]

well few things to refresh you

1. its not just pakistan who has professional strategists in this field

2. its not just pakistan who has anty radiation assets like drones and decoys to fool enemy air defences and there countermesures

3.India has a dedicated space programme for this very purpose + active help from israelies and russians and some say even USA

4.India already has a very large and extended air defnce network with its own special forces to protect it from sabotage and arial and ground based multi band and multi layered networks

5.india also happen to have a very strong multi layered SAM network

go and google about indian radars and sam network that is avilable on net and thats just a part of the bigger picture and as for S400 we are yet to buy it ask OP why he started the thread on presumptions

1. Pakistan has decoys
2. Pakistan has ARMs
3. Pakistan has military satellite service given to it by China and even the US.
4. To this date we don't know about all the types of SAM Pakistan possesses

It's not just the thread made of presumptions, but your logic too. Have a nice day.

 

[GURU DUTT]

1. Pakistan has decoys
2. Pakistan has ARMs
3. Pakistan has military satellite service given to it by China and even the US.
4. To this date we don't know about all the types of SAM Pakistan possesses

It's not just the thread made of presumptions, but your logic too. Have a nice day.

india also have decoys &ARMs&militarry Sats& many classified and declassified SAMs and counter measures to every thing you think your nation has + more

as for persumtions yes this thread is based on them as for logic ..... sure sure have a nice day & cheers mate

 

[Ihtasham ahmed]

Are you talking about Third generation warfare here Terrain hugging ? Jamming S 400 Radar ? by whome JF -17 ? Take some information little bit available on internet.

s400 is not an invincible thing , yeah it can be destroyed by terrain hugging missiles and aircrafts and jamming can be done with dedicated jamming pods , israel destroyed all s300 batteries of syria by saturating their airspace with drones and they fired , when they went out and were reloading they bombed them , i do agree that it is a very big threat to PAF and pakistani missiles , even nasr can dodge s400 , but it does not mean that it cannot be countered , it can be and it will be

 

[Osiris]

Indeed we do not have the quantity but since the subject is about PAF, it was indeed the quality of our pilots training which was the main factor in defeating a much larger air force repeatedly. it was this quality that PAF was able to counter and shoot down your latest MiG fighters with the obsolete F-86s.

You are living in the past.
The only war where PAF pilots showed certain superiority to their Indian counterparts was 1965. That too probably because, while Ayub was sitting in American camp, getting best of western equipment and training. Nehru NAM policies had forced Indian armed forces into a cocoon.

1971 PAF didn't show any stellar performance viz-a-vis IAF.

Even today, there is nothing to suggest PAF pilots are better trained than IAF.
Their flying hours equivalent.
Infact , IAF spends more time training with other airforces than PAF does.

 

[Windjammer]

You are living in the past.
The only war where PAF pilots showed certain superiority to their Indian counterparts was 1965. That too probably because, while Ayub was sitting in American camp, getting best of western equipment and training. Nehru NAM policies had forced Indian armed forces into a cocoon.

1971 PAF didn't show any stellar performance viz-a-vis IAF.

Even today, there is nothing to suggest PAF pilots are better trained than IAF.
Their flying hours equivalent.
Infact , IAF spends more time training with other airforces than PAF does.

On the contrary, apart from Kargil, when did IAF ever delivered, even then it was bombing on it's own side of the border without any opposition, as for joint exercises, after the debacle with RAF and chest thumping on national TV, the less said is better.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Going thru this thread, I found very few posts which are logically and technically informative.

The usual impression of posts is that; as India is going to get S400 so even USA is afraid of this system. In this living and continously advancing world nothing can coupe S400.

In short, whatever Indian got that weapon/system not counter-able.

No, No, Any weapon doesn't matter, even rusted out old sword is a threat to all the world. If the Indians get it, but if Pakistan was to acquire the same, Indians will call it Russian Junk.

 

[rockstar08]

India is getting S-400 ..so

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

On the contrary, apart from Kargil, when did IAF ever delivered, even then it was bombing on it's own side of the border without any opposition, as for joint exercises, after the debacle with RAF and chest thumping on national TV, the less said is better.

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There are many more- but would mean nothing to you since you seem too gullible-

 

[Saurabh jindals]

s400 is not an invincible thing , yeah it can be destroyed by terrain hugging missiles and aircrafts and jamming can be done with dedicated jamming pods , israel destroyed all s300 batteries of syria by saturating their airspace with drones and they fired , when they went out and were reloading they bombed them , i do agree that it is a very big threat to PAF and pakistani missiles , even nasr can dodge s400 , but it does not mean that it cannot be countered , it can be and it will be

1) Yes there is nothing Invincible.
2) S 400 is specially build to look after terrain Hugging feature if you are getting problem to come in terms of this truth its your problem.
3) "jamming can be done with dedicated jamming pods" Plz further elaborate how can Pakistan Jam S 400 ? Any particular technology PAF have ?
4) "israel destroyed all s300 batteries of syria by saturating their airspace with drones and they fired" R u nut ? dreaming a movie sequence ? No body will use Missile to shoot mosquitoes, Cant say about pakistan. Radars not only detect but also classify the type of threat by comparing the data from the data base. If you thinking something filling the whole sky, miles of area with cheap Chinese drones and enemy get emptied by firing all its missiles I can only laugh on your story even other Pakistani members will .
These Cheap drones itself come down in 3 to 6 kms (within 30 mins. ) due to battery, nobody has to do anything. If you use expensive drones (pakistani affordability ? ) there is Air defense guns zu-23mm in thousands will take care of them, still no missile will be wasted. Also for your info in that incident S 300 were not in use they were just arrived and stored in warehouse when destroyed.
5) Nut who told you " even nasr can dodge s400" ? Pakistan Army ??
Now still you feel you have right info, you can celebrate .I am also celebrating with you .
If you dont know S 400 even stationed 50 km inside Indian territory can still Track 350 km inside pakistan Territory and every aircraft and missile could be destroyed at will. This is specially good considering the banana shape of your country with Very little width hardly 400km (@80%).

On the contrary, apart from Kargil, when did IAF ever delivered, even then it was bombing on it's own side of the border without any opposition, as for joint exercises, after the debacle with RAF and chest thumping on national TV, the less said is better.

I see you have a habit of always living in past, open your mind and see this is 2015 today IAF dosent have Inferior Fighters as the case was in past, Today IAF have Far superior and numerically bigger Air Force. I guess PAF this day will never dare to face IAF.

 

[Tank131]

After the fiasco in Syria, PAF should give a very serious thought before buying anything entirely Russian. This is a very humble opinion from a naive in aerospace technology. Russian equipment + Indian maintenance is a marriage in heaven!!!

The su-24 is primarily a strike aircraft which carries only minimal wvr a2a weaponry for self defence. Going up against an f-16 blk 50 with amraam is not ideal. You cant compare it to su-35.

Now if you're referring to russia bombimg rebels instead of isis thats a different story.