Is Mob Justice a New Law of the Land?

[Levina]

Whoever this person who has "independently" collected data for the whole nation, I am not going to engage his findings simply because that is not the way to collate data. I think you are a smart person and you should know better.

Go through the links that have been posted, the data is as REAL as it can get.

 

[El Sidd]

Tailoring our Constitution is not an option. It would be the death of the idea of India for which the freedom movement was fought. There is a very good reason as to why most of the advanced societies that are doing well are secular societies.

As for Hindu feeling of oppression, that is partly based in faulty politics by the Congress government of the past. There were instances such as the Shah Bano case and subsequent legal enactment to favour repressive elements among the Muslims, on the assumption that they are against the welfare of their own women.

The fact is, the political parties have viewed religion as nothing but a matter of vote-bank politics. So as a result of these actions, many Hindus started believing that Muslims in India are an "appeased" community. Whereas fact is that far from being appeased, Muslims are even more in need of socio-economic and educational upliftment than the rest of the country. This illusion of "minority appeasement" was created by selective policies of the central and state governments which were just for optics - they didn't do anything to improve the lives of Muslims in reality.

However, at least for the most part, Muslims did at least feel safe. Wearing a skull cap or having a Muslim name would not mark you out for discrimination and intimidation. That has somewhat changed now and it worries me.

You expect India to choose human rights over its economic boom?
That is cynicism of the highest order.

Anyone who knows how business needs to be done knows you cannot wait that long.

Its a tough test to be prosperous in wealth and be just.

The change demand is a highly Northern belt demand but the southern nationalist oppose that. So something's gotta give.

As long its just one particular minority it shouldn't be of much concern to an average Indian for the next 7 years.

But the question is how divided India would be post Modi? And who will exploit it further

 

[Jacob Martin]

killing Muslims over excuse of beef in india is the new norm in india. calling it mob justice is wrong because mob justice us linked to proof of the crine or crimes while here in india al-cowda is killing Muslims over mere speculation viz a viz beef

Look. If we are to leave things to mob justice then we might as well dissolve our nations. If our governments cannot ensure even a modicum if justice then what reason do they have for existing?

The way I see it, @El Sidd also to answer your point about legislating this cow business. This is fast becoming a Boogeyman, just as the word "blasphemy" is in Pakistan. It can be used by all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. From political reasons to settling personal scores. Once you introduce this concept in law, then there is no going back on it. It will only embolden the elements who are behaving thus and then even those who now speak against this madness will be silenced. It will be then seen as defending a crime.

 

[jetray]

Look. If we are to leave things to mob justice then we might as well dissolve our nations. If our governments cannot ensure even a modicum if justice then what reason do they have for existing?

The way I see it, @El Sidd also to answer your point about legislating this cow business. This is fast becoming a Boogeyman, just as the word "blasphemy" is in Pakistan. It can be used by all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. From political reasons to settling personal scores. Once you introduce this concept in law, then there is no going back on it. It will only embolden the elements who are behaving thus and then even those who now speak against this madness will be silenced. It will be then seen as defending a crime.

Its law enforcement mechanism that needs to be tightened. Is this mob justice a new thing ? dint it happen during congressi regime ala 1984 riots? No one passed a law to kill ppl its only ppl taking law into their own hands which needs to be dealt severely.

 

[Jacob Martin]

You expect India to choose human rights over its economic boom?
That is cynicism of the highest order.

Anyone who knows how business needs to be done knows you cannot wait that long.

Its a tough test to be prosperous in wealth and be just.

The change demand is a highly Northern belt demand but the southern nationalist oppose that. So something's gotta give.

As long its just one particular minority it shouldn't be of much concern to an average Indian for the next 7 years.

But the question is how divided India would be post Modi? And who will exploit it further

The choice between human rights and economic prosperity is a false binary. In any nation where economic development has taken place along with oppression of human rights, the growth is despite, and not due to such conditions.

What does support for obscurantist beliefs have anything to do with progress of any form? Can you name me one country where religion, or for that matter a single reigning ideology in itself, has resulted in economic miracle?

Yes, sometimes a society may need to make hard choices, but surely they do not involve whether or not to regulate what we eat? It could involve, for example, whether it is feasible to introduce structural adjustment into the economy, given the massive immediate misery it inflicts on certain classes. Or whether to introduce immigration reforms to tackle impending security threats. These are real issues that may need to be dealt with.

As regards the North/South divide, I wouldn't say it is right down the middle. Hindutva politics is finding a lot of traction in Karnataka, for example. But overall, yes, there is a distinct discomfort South of Vindhyas about what our Central Government is up to. Now, even language has entered the debate. In Karnataka, the state government has decided to oppose the imposition of Hindi. Tamil Nadu has always been hostile on the subject of language.

These disjointed efforts to build a homogeneous national identity may end very badly.

 

[El Sidd]

Look. If we are to leave things to mob justice then we might as well dissolve our nations. If our governments cannot ensure even a modicum if justice then what reason do they have for existing?

The way I see it, @El Sidd also to answer your point about legislating this cow business. This is fast becoming a Boogeyman, just as the word "blasphemy" is in Pakistan. It can be used by all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons. From political reasons to settling personal scores. Once you introduce this concept in law, then there is no going back on it. It will only embolden the elements who are behaving thus and then even those who now speak against this madness will be silenced. It will be then seen as defending a crime.

Well blasphemy laws are debated quite often in Pakistan. Ofcourse its not an overnight transition which we may as well need but as in whole we face problems of misgovernance.

Meanwhile there is genuine concern that Hindus feel alien in their own country.

Although I understand the spiritual status of the cow for the Hindus and the political use of it as well.

But the cultural divide and the social divide between the rich and poor is alarming in the subcontinent.Unfair distribution of resources is the main cause for that.

But as a whole while Pakistan can rest on it's Islamic card. Sadly India has no such backup option left.

There is a reason why everyone says Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan.

The choice between human rights and economic prosperity is a false binary. In any nation where economic development has taken place along with oppression of human rights, the growth is despite, and not due to such conditions.

What does support for obscurantist beliefs have anything to do with progress of any form? Can you name me one country where religion, or for that matter a single reigning ideology in itself, has resulted in economic miracle?

Yes, sometimes a society may need to make hard choices, but surely they do not involve whether or not to regulate what we eat? It could involve, for example, whether it is feasible to introduce structural adjustment into the economy, given the massive immediate misery it inflicts on certain classes. Or whether to introduce immigration reforms to tackle impending security threats. These are real issues that may need to be dealt with.

As regards the North/South divide, I wouldn't say it is right down the middle. Hindutva politics is finding a lot of traction in Karnataka, for example. But overall, yes, there is a distinct discomfort South of Vindhyas about what our Central Government is up to. Now, even language has entered the debate. In Karnataka, the state government has decided to oppose the imposition of Hindi. Tamil Nadu has always been hostile on the subject of language.

These disjointed efforts to build a homogeneous national identity may end very badly.

Idealism?

Practically speaking the divide was always there and will exist in however shape India survives the next 50 years.

It has been 70 years but somehow there was never a consensus on what actually makes one Indian.

The easy going melting pot of a secular society.

Or

The Hindu identity.

The economic boom has left the social infrastructure reeling on the brink of collapse.

It's like a stack of cards shaped as a golden duck. Those feathers are not strong enough for the winds ahead.

There is a reason why NRIs don't want to return to India even though the economics allow them to.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Well blasphemy laws are debated quite often in Pakistan. Ofcourse its not an overnight transition which we may as well need but as in whole we face problems of misgovernance.

Meanwhile there is genuine concern that Hindus feel alien in their own country.

Although I understand the spiritual status of the cow for the Hindus and the political use of it as well.

But the cultural divide and the social divide between the rich and poor is alarming in the subcontinent.Unfair distribution of resources is the main cause for that.

But as a whole while Pakistan can rest on it's Islamic card. Sadly India has no such backup option left.

There is a reason why everyone says Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan.

Yes, it is true that socio-economic deprivation makes these Quixotic quests such as seeking a national identity quite hollow. And maybe you are right - in the sub-continent, this has remained an elitist discourse. Which is why every shill with an agenda can come along and play the people, as they are not engaged en masse with questions such as where the country ought to be headed.

Even for Pakistan, they could try out the secular identity for a proper fit. I think it could work, provided they put their minds to it. But ultimately it is their country, their rules. I get no vote in the matter. As for India, this Hindu label won't do. I could accept it if someone could explain its relevance to me in the modern context and going forward.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Well blasphemy laws are debated quite often in Pakistan. Ofcourse its not an overnight transition which we may as well need but as in whole we face problems of misgovernance.

Meanwhile there is genuine concern that Hindus feel alien in their own country.

Although I understand the spiritual status of the cow for the Hindus and the political use of it as well.

But the cultural divide and the social divide between the rich and poor is alarming in the subcontinent.Unfair distribution of resources is the main cause for that.

But as a whole while Pakistan can rest on it's Islamic card. Sadly India has no such backup option left.

There is a reason why everyone says Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan.



Idealism?

Practically speaking the divide was always there and will exist in however shape India survives the next 50 years.

It has been 70 years but somehow there was never a consensus on what actually makes one Indian.

The easy going melting pot of a secular society.

Or

The Hindu identity.

The economic boom has left the social infrastructure reeling on the brink of collapse.

It's like a stack of cards shaped as a golden duck. Those feathers are not strong enough for the winds ahead.

There is a reason why NRIs don't want to return to India even though the economics allow them to.

Kancha Ilaiah is a prominent political activist and commentator. In his book Why I am Not a Hindu, he presented a critique of Hindutva from the Dalit perspective. When it is no masterpiece like Bertrand Russell's Why I am not a Christian, it nonetheless gives an insight into the fact that the word Hindu is thrown around very casually, and is used to encompass people who do not want to be identified as such.

Yes, we never had a comprehensive debate as to where we want to take our nation in the 70 years since independence. The Constituent Assembly debates remain our only source of guidance, and they were not framed with the advantage of hindsight.

The language issue was always going to come back to haunt us. We continued to limp along on the subject, not facing up to the fact that unless we enunciate a clear and immutable policy about language, eventually this balderdash about Hindi vs The Rest was bound to happen. Even now, local Kannadigas are riled up against Hindi-speaking migrants to camouflage state failure. We should have seen this coming.

Our Constitution was framed by noble people with good intentions. They could not have foreseen everything. It was for the government of the day to strengthen the edifice. Nehru was an engaging idealist, but his world view, when put into practice, translated into a cool detachment from the masses. The edifice was alien to them, and an imposition, no less than colonial rule. Maybe they are now dismantling it, in the hope of shaping a new one.

The rise of the assertive middle class has probably been the most significant catalyst. In a reactionary inversion of Marxist dogma, this is now seen as value-neutral - as if whatever the middle class wants must be the ultimate good.

The attempts to co-opt the disenfranchised have been feeble; cow and Temple politics, and misdirected ire at tax-evaders and black money hoarders. These are attempts to feed into the resentment that you are talking about. What kind of national identity will this produce? One steeped in negation and vilification of the "other" - how is it different than trying to forge an identity based on the idea of class enemies?

 

[El Sidd]

Yes, it is true that socio-economic deprivation makes these Quixotic quests such as seeking a national identity quite hollow. And maybe you are right - in the sub-continent, this has remained an elitist discourse. Which is why every shill with an agenda can come along and play the people, as they are not engaged en masse with questions such as where the country ought to be headed.

Even for Pakistan, they could try out the secular identity for a proper fit. I think it could work, provided they put their minds to it. But ultimately it is their country, their rules. I get no vote in the matter. As for India, this Hindu label won't do. I could accept it if someone could explain its relevance to me in the modern context and going forward.

I believe its a patient game this identity business. In the end it all comes down to where the greater profits lie. That max explain the ummah greed for Muslims but it may also point towards a more practical solution for survival.

Pakistan may not even need to flirt with secularism if they just follow the Constitution and rule of law. There are many instances for example in interior Sindh where cow slaughter is done outside the village or once a year just on the Eid ul adha.

But the GOI and the people of India should find a consensus on their identity even most superficially otherwise it is heading towards ' not Pakistan ' identity is not a long term viable option.

The caste system centuries old cannot be so easily undone in 70 years even though how much one translates that into economics. It has just taken refuge in the social divide of the rich and the poor.

Kancha Ilaiah is a prominent political activist and commentator. In his book Why I am Not a Hindu, he presented a critique of Hindutva from the Dalit perspective. When it is no masterpiece like Bertrand Russell's Why I am not a Christian, it nonetheless gives an insight into the fact that the word Hindu is thrown around very casually, and is used to encompass people who do not want to be identified as such.

Yes, we never had a comprehensive debate as to where we want to take our nation in the 70 years since independence. The Constituent Assembly debates remain our only source of guidance, and they were not framed with the advantage of hindsight.

The language issue was always going to come back to haunt us. We continued to limp along on the subject, not facing up to the fact that unless we enunciate a clear and immutable policy about language, eventually this balderdash about Hindi vs The Rest was bound to happen. Even now, local Kannadigas are riled up against Hindi-speaking migrants to camouflage state failure. We should have seen this coming.

Our Constitution was framed by noble people with good intentions. They could not have foreseen everything. It was for the government of the day to strengthen the edifice. Nehru was an engaging idealist, but his world view, when put into practice, translated into a cool detachment from the masses. The edifice was alien to them, and an imposition, no less than colonial rule. Maybe they are now dismantling it, in the hope of shaping a new one.

The rise of the assertive middle class has probably been the most significant catalyst. In a reactionary inversion of Marxist dogma, this is now seen as value-neutral - as if whatever the middle class wants must be the ultimate good.

The attempts to co-opt the disenfranchised have been feeble; cow and Temple politics, and misdirected ire at tax-evaders and black money hoarders. These are attempts to feed into the resentment that you are talking about. What kind of national identity will this produce? One steeped in negation and vilification of the "other" - how is it different than trying to forge an identity based on the idea of class enemies?

These were all avoidable incidents. Specially language and literature.

Even the projected image of India was pretty much North India only till the late 90s internationally speaking. The diaspora did not help either since the divide gets even more apparent on neutral ground.

The already established Hindi speaking people at the time of independence now runs India as a Mafia and to keep this up they need an enemy in Pakistan and Muslims.

They have done a full circle with the arrival of Modi types and by the pure blessings from the divine. Very much in time to save Pakistan's ideology.

This is why people of my country refer to Modi as our agent. His foreign policy and internal policies keep the two nation theory alive and kicking.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Go through the links that have been posted, the data is as REAL as it can get.

I never contested the data to be fake. I am personally aware of some of these incidents. My preliminary contention is that the list is not comprehensive enough to arrive at a conclusion based on it. A charge that the situation has deteriorated cannot be rebutted by showing numbers that indicate that it used to happen earlier. It can be rebutted by comparing them post-2014. And that is an exercise in futility unless the numbers are reliable, unlike the ad-hoc research indicated.

Also, the fact that these instances are in the public domain itself suggests that the issue is not selective rendition. Had these been hidden from the public, a case could have been made out that the people who are highlighting what is going on right now have a perverse agenda.

Furthermore, it is not just the fact that the data collection is questionable in statistical terms, it is so obviously politically motivated that it cannot possibility be answered in any sensible terms. For example, why have lynching casualties from Jharkhand been mentioned upto 2014? Does it have anything to do with the fact that a BJP government was sworn in the state and centre AFTER that period? The point could have been made by quoting numbers up until the present day. But that wouldn't serve its obvious purpose, would it?

And most significantly, for the sake of argument let me assume that all those numbers are correct. That still leaves us with the fact that the present government has added a whole new class if motivations to the phenomenon of lynching - the holy cow and its Divine meat. Just for that fact, the government is fully culpable for what is happening right now.

 

[salimpheku]

Statistics of the last 15 years show there were more lynchings, gang rapes, crimes, etc during Congress time than during the current disposition.

So, OP needs to show some statistics to back up his narrative.

btw, in the last 7 years, total number of people killed by so called Cow protectors is 28.
For 28 people killed in 7 years, these people are doing drama. Wonder where this drama was for Shaharanpur or Malda?

is it because it was Hindus that were killed in dozens & not muslims, so it's ok?
Or do only muslims death matter?

The fact that after Killing a muslim cop in Kashmir, the mob checked his pe**s to see if he was a Hindu should tell who is lynching who.

This is why people of my country refer to Modi as our agent. His foreign policy and internal policies keep the two nation theory alive and kicking.

Wow. So before Modi came to power, both our countries were Chaddi Buddies, right?
How is it so easy for people like you to lie & twist things to suit you?

Modi was no where in picture when Muslims committed genocide of Kashmiri Pandits. Wonder what happened to your logic then?

Don't confuse cause & effect.

Cause: Islamic terrorism & genocide of Hindus
Effect: Hindus have had enough and are beginning to assert themselves.

If Muslims of India don't want to go Myanmar way, they better start getting their act together or I am afraid they are in for very bad times in India.

Oh, it won't be Modi or BJP or RSS. All of them are not reflective of the real anger of Hindus.
Leave the forums, go to rural India and see the seething anger of Hindus. If BJP or RSS tries to stop this anger of Hindus, it will consume them too.

Already Congress has started playing pro-Hindu card bit by bit. That should scare the crap out of all the muslim appeasers of India.

I never contested the data to be fake. I am personally aware of some of these incidents. My preliminary contention is that the list is not comprehensive enough to arrive at a conclusion based on it. A charge that the situation has deteriorated cannot be rebutted by showing numbers that indicate that it used to happen earlier. It can be rebutted by comparing them post-2014. And that is an exercise in futility unless the numbers are reliable, unlike the ad-hoc research indicated.

That's not how the world works.
If you claim something, prove it logically, through facts.
Obfuscating & hiding behind logical fallacies can only take your argument so far.

Case in point, Couple of days back a 21 year old Hindu boy in Guntur, AP, was lynched in front of his parents by a Gang of Muslims for loving a muslim girl.
Let me ask you frankly....Did you even know this news?

Your argument is correct but only in the opposite way. All muslim deaths gets highlighted and all deaths caused by Muslims are hidden by media.

Case in Point -
2 Dalit girls were brutally raped by 15 muslims in UP 4 weeks back. Where was the outrage on this in the media? Where are all the so called Dalit parties? Imagine if instead of 15 muslims, it were, god forbid 15 upper caste Hindu men, the same gang that is keeping silent and burying this issue, would have burned India on this.

Muslims raping 2 Dalit girls - exceptional & planned silence.
Rohit Vemula kills self - Drama for 6 months.

If you one moment believe this is balanced, then you are only fooling yourself.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Statistics of the last 15 years show there were more lynchings, gang rapes, crimes, etc during Congress time than during the current disposition.

So, OP needs to show some statistics to back up his narrative.

btw, in the last 7 years, total number of people killed by so called Cow protectors is 28.
For 28 people killed in 7 years, these people are doing drama. Wonder where this drama was for Shaharanpur or Malda?

is it because it was Hindus that were killed in dozens & not muslims, so it's ok?
Or do only muslims death matter?

The fact that after Killing a muslim cop in Kashmir, the mob checked his pe**s to see if he was a Hindu should tell who is lynching who.



Wow. So before Modi came to power, both our countries were Chaddi Buddies, right?
How is it so easy for people like you to lie & twist things to suit you?

Modi was no where in picture when Muslims committed genocide of Kashmiri Pandits. Wonder what happened to your logic then?

Don't confuse cause & effect.

Cause: Islamic terrorism & genocide of Hindus
Effect: Hindus have had enough and are beginning to assert themselves.

If Muslims of India don't want to go Myanmar way, they better start getting their act together or I am afraid they are in for very bad times in India.

Oh, it won't be Modi or BJP or RSS. All of them are not reflective of the real anger of Hindus.
Leave the forums, go to rural India and see the seething anger of Hindus. If BJP or RSS tries to stop this anger of Hindus, it will consume them too.

Already Congress has started playing pro-Hindu card bit by bit. That should scare the crap out of all the muslim appeasers of India.

A) the point about crime statistics has been answered by me in post#4.

B) for every Saharanpur there is a Muzzafarnagar. Are we now supposed to tally riots and arrive at numbers. This was not meant as an exercise in political point- scoring, so if your point is that the fact that no one ever seems to get punished for these riots is the biggest part for the problem, then I accept it. You are right to that extent. But not if your point is that two wrongs make a right.

 

[El Sidd]

Statistics of the last 15 years show there were more lynchings, gang rapes, crimes, etc during Congress time than during the current disposition.

So, OP needs to show some statistics to back up his narrative.

btw, in the last 7 years, total number of people killed by so called Cow protectors is 28.
For 28 people killed in 7 years, these people are doing drama. Wonder where this drama was for Shaharanpur or Malda?

is it because it was Hindus that were killed in dozens & not muslims, so it's ok?
Or do only muslims death matter?

The fact that after Killing a muslim cop in Kashmir, the mob checked his pe**s to see if he was a Hindu should tell who is lynching who.



Wow. So before Modi came to power, both our countries were Chaddi Buddies, right?
How is it so easy for people like you to lie & twist things to suit you?

Modi was no where in picture when Muslims committed genocide of Kashmiri Pandits. Wonder what happened to your logic then?

Don't confuse cause & effect.

Cause: Islamic terrorism & genocide of Hindus
Effect: Hindus have had enough and are beginning to assert themselves.

If Muslims of India don't want to go Myanmar way, they better start getting their act together or I am afraid they are in for very bad times in India.

Oh, it won't be Modi or BJP or RSS. All of them are not reflective of the real anger of Hindus.
Leave the forums, go to rural India and see the seething anger of Hindus. If BJP or RSS tries to stop this anger of Hindus, it will consume them too.

Already Congress has started playing pro-Hindu card bit by bit. That should scare the crap out of all the muslim appeasers of India.

Yes.

Hindus are Constitutionally oppressed in Dominion of India.

Why don't you try convincing them to become hindus again since they were forced into Islam by Afghans.

I believe the secular Hindus are more of a threat to you because the Muslims can easily be eradicated and controlled.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Statistics of the last 15 years show there were more lynchings, gang rapes, crimes, etc during Congress time than during the current disposition.

So, OP needs to show some statistics to back up his narrative.

btw, in the last 7 years, total number of people killed by so called Cow protectors is 28.
For 28 people killed in 7 years, these people are doing drama. Wonder where this drama was for Shaharanpur or Malda?

is it because it was Hindus that were killed in dozens & not muslims, so it's ok?
Or do only muslims death matter?

The fact that after Killing a muslim cop in Kashmir, the mob checked his pe**s to see if he was a Hindu should tell who is lynching who.



Wow. So before Modi came to power, both our countries were Chaddi Buddies, right?
How is it so easy for people like you to lie & twist things to suit you?

Modi was no where in picture when Muslims committed genocide of Kashmiri Pandits. Wonder what happened to your logic then?

Don't confuse cause & effect.

Cause: Islamic terrorism & genocide of Hindus
Effect: Hindus have had enough and are beginning to assert themselves.

If Muslims of India don't want to go Myanmar way, they better start getting their act together or I am afraid they are in for very bad times in India.

Oh, it won't be Modi or BJP or RSS. All of them are not reflective of the real anger of Hindus.
Leave the forums, go to rural India and see the seething anger of Hindus. If BJP or RSS tries to stop this anger of Hindus, it will consume them too.

Already Congress has started playing pro-Hindu card bit by bit. That should scare the crap out of all the muslim appeasers of India.



That's not how the world works.
If you claim something, prove it logically, through facts.
Obfuscating & hiding behind logical fallacies can only take your argument so far.

Case in point, Couple of days back a 21 year old Hindu boy in Guntur, AP, was lynched in front of his parents by a Gang of Muslims for loving a muslim girl.
Let me ask you frankly....Did you even know this news?

Your argument is correct but only in the opposite way. All muslim deaths gets highlighted and all deaths caused by Muslims are hidden by media.

Case in Point -
2 Dalit girls were brutally raped by 15 muslims in UP 4 weeks back. Where was the outrage on this in the media? Where are all the so called Dalit parties? Imagine if instead of 15 muslims, it were, god forbid 15 upper caste Hindu men, the same gang that is keeping silent and burying this issue, would have burned India on this.

Muslims raping 2 Dalit girls - exceptional & planned silence.
Rohit Vemula kills self - Drama for 6 months.

If you one moment believe this is balanced, then you are only fooling yourself.

Okay. So the world does not work on analysis of statistical data, but on anecdotal references of two isolated (real?) events in a nation of 1.3 billion. Thanks for the heads up. What would we do without your excellent insight.

 

[salimpheku]

A) the point about crime statistics has been answered by me in post#4.

B) for every Saharanpur there is a Muzzafarnagar. Are we now supposed to tally riots and arrive at numbers. This was not meant as an exercise in political point- scoring, so if your point is that the fact that no one ever seems to get punished for these riots is the biggest part for the problem, then I accept it. You are right to that extent. But not if your point is that two wrongs make a right.

A) my point was not about statistics per se. It was to show the selective outrage of Secular India.

B) I agree with you to some extent. FYI, do you know how many convictions happened in 2002 riots? Do you know how many convictions happened in 1984 Sikh genocide? Or Genocide of Kashmiri Pandits?

Point is, we have always been violent towards each other. The last 3 years statistically have been less violent than ever before.
Again, this is not my main point. I am only pointing at the obvious elephant in the room, in how Violence by muslims never get's the same attention when compared to violence done on them.

Yes.

Hindus are Constitutionally oppressed in Dominion of India.

Why don't you try convincing them to become hindus again since they were forced into Islam by Afghans.

I believe the secular Hindus are more of a threat to you because the Muslims can easily be eradicated and controlled.

Hindus are constitutionally oppressed.

1. Temples are under govt control. Temple all over India have loads of Muslim & Christian as their head. Mosques & Churches are outside govt control and never had a single Hindu as their head.
2. Right to Education is only applicable to Hindu owned schools. Muslim & Christian owned schools are exempt.

I can go on but you are starting to get the gist I suppose.

Okay. So the world does not work on analysis of statistical data, but on anecdotal references of two isolated (real?) events in a nation of 1.3 billion. Thanks for the heads up. What would we do without your excellent insight.

What do you mean real?
There is a video of 15 muslim guys brutally molesting 2 dalit girls. All of them have been booked under SC/ST acts as well.

That you make these brutal acts of Muslims as anecdotal references, makes it easy for Hindus to justify their own violence by saying "touché".

Only solution:
Stomp on all acts of violence in the same way. Don't patronize Muslims or Hindus. treat them as equal before the law. Show any act of violence by either side in the same vein in the media.
Start laying down the law and stop pussyfooting and all this nonsense will stop.

@Jacob Martin Please search the name Girija Tickoo. Read what happened to her. I don't want you to discuss what you have read with me. I just want you to ponder the fact that the whole world knows who her killers are & no one is doing anything about it.