Is Lockheed dumping F-16s on India?

[footmarks]

Even a blind person will tell you that JF-17 looks nothing close to MiG-21....

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/13nad.htm


As i said you should just stick to reading fiction....sanwli.

LOL, how can a blind person tell what a JF-17 looks like?

reading your posts IS like reading fiction.

 

[Windjammer]

The post originally is about F16s. Why does all India Pakistan ultimately boil down to JF17 and Tejas? Can we revert back to the original topic please.

Well, as you can see, i just copy pasted an article but it's in Indian psyche, when nothing to stand on....just to shoot the messenger.

 

[Windjammer]

LOL, how can a blind person tell what a JF-17 looks like?

reading your posts IS like reading fiction.

Because unlike you, his brain still functions to comprehend what's being said.

 

[footmarks]

Because unlike you, his brain still functions to comprehend what's being said.

So you are writing science fiction now?

 

[John Reese]

Lol F-16 Blk 70 is best MCA (medium combat aircraft ) will get At this price

+Better operational capability
+Long range strike
+large Weapons package Including Aim-9x block 3 With Aim-120D (C8) And JDAM ,GBU & Series bombs & munitions
The Block 70 F-16 will have the 5th generation fighter radar capabilities, some of which are greater detection and tracking ranges, multiple target track, high resolution synthetic aperture radar, auto target classification and cueing, advanced growth modes.

It is equipped with AN/ APG 83 AESA radar. Described as Agile beam it can perform Air to Air and Air to Ground Search and Track simultaneously. The noise reduction features of this one has made its range improved to almost 70 miles almost 84 km for engagement. The image quality in air to ground mode is described as imagery-class. Just the same that is acquired from satellites. They can be acquired from long distances for air to ground targets and using its synthetic aperture radar mode pilots can locate and recognise the ground targets. Prioritise them and engage.

The new MMC modules of it’s computers are said to be 30 % faster than previous ones. Which allows sensor data fusion from the EW sensors for better situational awareness , here notably the data transfer network is quite faster than previous systems like Link 16. It is also equipped with Off boresight aiming sensor which allows pilot to sense and target something out of his field of view.

150+ this beast force To reckon with

Reasons for India to select F16

1 Single Supply Chain. More availability of parts. Faster Availability in wartime.
2 Battle Proven platform and sold to many NATO countries and various countries worldwide. So India can sell F 16 spare parts.
3 One of the most advanced Variant of F 16. With almost Medium Weight Category like capabilties.
4 Strategic advantage of grounding F 16s of Pakistan Air Force.

 

[Hareeb]

Thaggey gaye hain bharti.

 

[randomradio]

More closer to 2030.....Just near when PAF may be retiring it's older F-16s, the IAF will be inducting them.

A decision between the two aircraft will be made by early next year, and the govt hopes to conclude a contract before Modi's reelection. The first jet will be delivered 3 years after contract signature, so that's about 2022. By 2030, F-16 production for IAF would be nearing its end or would have ended. At least 150-200 jets have been envisaged at 20 a year.

What's even more special is that the USAF is also going to upgrade 300 jets to the F-16V standard and will operate it right up to 2050. Otoh, the F-16IN will be even more advanced than the F-16V.

So how does this compare to your JF-17 Block 3? Numbers planned? Timeframe for induction? Its capability when compared to the F-16IN etc?

I doubt Rafale production line will be setup in India. Navy is floating for 57 fighters...if Rafale wins that contacts then there could be some part of Rafale supply chain shifting to India, but not the whole production line.

However, with F16 it is different, they will totally shift their F16 production line to India, and there is always a possibility of F16 production line to upgrade to produce F35s in future.

There will be a new twin engine tender after the single engine is under contract negotiations.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

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Reasons for India to select F16

1 Single Supply Chain. More availability of parts. Faster Availability in wartime.
2 Battle Proven platform and sold to many NATO countries and various countries worldwide. So India can sell F 16 spare parts.
3 One of the most advanced Variant of F 16. With almost Medium Weight Category like capabilties.
4 Strategic advantage of grounding F 16s of Pakistan Air Force.

If You check who is supplying components for the F-16, you will find that Lockheed Martin
seems to be no more than an assembly house for components sourced from many different countries like Korea, Israel, Denmark, UK, Germany, and of course the US.

India will have to deal with at least 75 suppliers, probably more.

The companies that supply the components will supply spare parts.
India may work as a distributor of those parts with a small markup.

Many countries are replacing their F-16s. Market for spare parts will diminish.

Unlikely that the USAF will make themselves dependent on India for spare parts.

India will have competition by other companies like TAI for maintenance/upgrades.
TAI will be happy to work with Pakistan.

 

[ashok321]

Is Lockheed dumping F-16s on India?

First let us see what price the LM wants to command by selling 40 years old plant machinery.
How much of the ToT would be involved to make it palatable to India.
Then India's answer by yes or no.

TATA agreement is inconsequential & insignificant as of now.

 

[John Reese]

Is Lockheed dumping F-16s on India?

First let us see what price the LM wants to command by selling 40 years old plant machinery.
How much of the ToT would be involved to make it palatable to India.
Then India's answer by yes or no.

TATA agreement is inconsequential & insignificant as of now.

Lol grapes are Sour for BBC ?

If You check who is supplying components for the F-16, you will find that Lockheed Martin
seems to be no more than an assembly house for components sourced from many different countries like Korea, Israel, Denmark, UK, Germany, and of course the US.

India will have to deal with at least 75 suppliers, probably more.

The companies that supply the components will supply spare parts.
India may work as a distributor of those parts with a small markup.

Many countries are replacing their F-16s. Market for spare parts will diminish.

Unlikely that the USAF will make themselves dependent on India for spare parts.

India will have competition by other companies like TAI for maintenance/upgrades.
TAI will be happy to work with Pakistan.

Well We have domestic Need To full fill First

200 Aircraft are big Fleet

As of now 4500 numbers are to big to be replace in Next two-three decades probably last f-16 Will out service by 2060-70 that What we need Today Its the best option available to us in Cheap Too To replace are outdated fleet Of Soviet Era

 

[Michael Corleone]

so f-16s in future like 50 years froom now will be 3rd world countries fighters like jf-17 etc? and india will be selling it to them?

i am wondering how much tech india could incorporate into their own indigenous future fighter development/////....

Baba Ji, why not ask IAF about what role the JF-17 is playing with at least one MKI pilot with a particular incident during recent hostilities on LOC.

wait pakistan shot down that sukhoi 30? by your claim?....

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Lol grapes are Sour for BBC ?


Well We have domestic Need To full fill First

200 Aircraft are big Fleet

As of now 4500 numbers are to big to be replace in Next two-three decades probably last f-16 Will out service by 2060-70 that What we need Today Its the best option available to us in Cheap Too To replace are outdated fleet Of Soviet Era

The numbers of f-16s remaining are probably less than half,
and they are quickly reaching their limits.
US F-16s will be handled in the US, again halfing the count.
Turkey can take care their fleet.
NATO countries will mostly phase out the F-16s when F-35 are fully operational.
That again reduces count by some hundred.
Unlikely Middle Eastern companies will prefer India over Turkey.
Your market will be Eastern Asia... where a few hundred are in service, not 4,500.

 

[John Reese]

The numbers of f-16s remaining are probably less than half,
and they are quickly reaching their limits.
US F-16s will be handled in the US, again halfing the count.
Turkey can take care their fleet.
NATO countries will mostly phase out the F-16s when F-35 are fully operational.
That again reduces count by some hundred.
Unlikely Middle Eastern companies will prefer India over Turkey.
Your market will be Eastern Asia... where a few hundred are in service, not 4,500.

F-35 is to costly to maintain Look its LCC I don't except that Europe Leaving F-16 soon


Still it has better prospect than Gripen in India

Due Strategic capital And Politics comes With the Deal which Sweden as Nation Lacks for India its big Game Emails ,Supplies of GE engines ,Drones connected With It

As a Platform F-16 block -70 is Not bad choice to begin With For rest we have Rafale

Look at our competitors they Large inventory is based on fourth Gen J-11,J-15,Su-30 MKK,F-16 52,Jf-17

So Its great choice and for Indian interests To get best deal in short time

 

[Fledgingwings]

Very much likely to me.but have to wait for an official report from the IAF about this deal.

 

[John Reese]

Very much likely to me.but have to wait for an official report from the IAF about this deal.

IAF is No player in india bureaucrats in the ministry of defense

And Its private partnership Lesser risk