Is it worth it to build Shivaji Statue in India?

[RISING SUN]

Meh for half s billion $ I expect something innovative worth the money.

It's not a science contest dear, for that you need to go-to Worli, this is for us, by us, from us. It is for our historical monuments, so that our future generations don't grow up in blindness of Indianness.

I think it is worthy and by seeing proposal in the article... as this facility includes entertainment, jet skiing and those wind turbines.. and of course valuing majority heritage.. i think it is a two edge sword as it will benefit center in election.

Your observations are correct but government will win elections only if they deliver fully on economy front.

 

[Goenitz]

In a state, where 17,000 women and children in tribal areas just perished in one year due to malnutrition? You must be joking. This statue is an insult to Chatrapati Shivaji.

first of all its tragic as we are living in 21st century when its easy to grow food and supply it. It is sad that it still happens in sub continent. In Italy it is illegal to arrest a shop lifter who is Hungary.. and they don't let die poor people.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557
but a nation need pride and hope. Then sense of unity and common heroes. Being mahrashtra a big province and big chunk of nation pop, i think its fair to spend such money to add more pride and confidence in people.

if they deliver fully on economy front.

S. Swami w'd disagree on that front

 

[scorpionx]

first of all its tragic as we are living in 21st century when its easy to grow food and supply it. It is sad that it still happens in sub continent. In Italy it is illegal to arrest a shop lifter who is Hungary.. and they don't let die poor people.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557
but a nation need pride and hope. Then sense of unity and common heroes. Being mahrashtra a big province and big chunk of nation pop, i think its fair to spend such money to add more pride and confidence in people.

I would have agreed to your conjecture if just pride and confidence of the urban middle class had saved the lives of poor farmers, malnourished women and children.

PS: I think it would have been more prudent to spend the tax payer's money in improving roads, which are lost in potholes if pride and confidence were really our concern.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...aths-due-to-potholes/articleshow/53482615.cms

 

[Goenitz]

I would have agreed to your conjecture if just pride and confidence of the urban middle class had saved the lives of poor farmers, malnourished women and children.

but according to maslow's pyramid, we need all kind of needs. I agree that much of poor people strive for a one time meal daily but its the middle class which uplift the country and you cannot neglect their 'need '.!!! You don't squeeze spending on your one child education/growth just because other needs just food items. I am not being inhuman my point is problem of malnutrition and scarcity may be belonged to poor management and resource allocation.

However, if just that $500 mil is the last reason to end misery of poor people then hell no.. no statue is worthy over dead bodies.

Modi is not Bhalal Dev

 

[RISING SUN]

first of all its tragic as we are living in 21st century when its easy to grow food and supply it. It is sad that it still happens in sub continent. In Italy it is illegal to arrest a shop lifter who is Hungary.. and they don't let die poor people.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557
but a nation need pride and hope. Then sense of unity and common heroes. Being mahrashtra a big province and big chunk of nation pop, i think its fair to spend such money to add more pride and confidence in people.


S. Swami w'd disagree on that front

So many people died because Pawar family did corruption and built canals, barages incomplete so that they can show the bills but investment actually remains low. Further they took remaining water to sugarcane agricultural business to support their sugar mills. And everybody knows how much water sugarcane needs and that too in water parched lands like Maharashtra. Have you heard of Maharashtra irrigation scam done by Congress and Ajit Pawar family? 35k crore rupees upsurped by nationalist Congress party and Congress party and not a single sign of remorse how many people died without water. I don't have words how much we hate them because we have lived here and we know the truth. Link is given below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharashtra_Irrigation_Scam
http://m.indiatoday.in/story/mahara...chit-to-ex-deputy-cm-ajit-pawar/1/736608.html
http://zeenews.india.com/news/mahar...project-tenders-worth-rs-6000-cr_1923959.html

This is currently underway to remedy the damage done, costs already escalated.
http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...rigation-projects-by-2020-116120500888_1.html

These two parties NCP and Congress looted Maharashtra with both hands and in the centre as well and yet they claim they have built excellent infrastructure. Ohh yes they have, just go-to Baramati, Pawar family place, you will decent infrastructure even on waters. But what about this vast state Maharashtra. Is this hogwash, game or just plain stupidity to play with masses. Show them fear and they will bow down to these scians. No anymore, we will not bend anymore. Whoever plays with future of India will pay the prices. If they don't learn in short time, not only their time will be finished but their roots too.

I would have agreed to your conjecture if just pride and confidence of the urban middle class had saved the lives of poor farmers, malnourished women and children.

PS: I think it would have been more prudent to spend the tax payer's money in improving roads, which are lost in potholes if pride and confidence were really our concern.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...aths-due-to-potholes/articleshow/53482615.cms

Have you been to BMC headquarters, just wondering, as per them roads are perfectly fine without any pathols. There are only 13 mosquitos in whole Mumbai and what not. It's Sena politics, they are not better than NCP or MNS.

 

[Sky lord]

I can't understand why Pakistanis are so bothered by this statue!

It reminds me of the story of a communist man who complained to Mahtma Gandhi about the rich industrialists and demanded that all their money be taken away and distributed to the poor. Gandhi gave the man a 25 paise coin and said if all the Birlas money is distributed to the citizens of India each will get 25 paise...so consider it has been done and here is your portion of his wealth.

The fact is that spending this $530 million is not going to solve even one of Indias admittedly very large problems. The statue will however make revenue as a tourist attraction and it will be a source of pride for Maharashtrians....and pride does matter..it gives confidence..and confidence solves problems..lack of self confidence never solved anything.

This reminds me of the huge hullabaloo over the Indian Mars mission..endless western editorials asked .why not spend on the poor instead (of course they never used that same argument when India was buying arms from them) .....yet today the Indian space program is earning billions for the country in foreign exchange.

The Indian government is spending HUGE amounts of money on welfare programs, it takes time to develop the country... the issues we have are due poor administration not lack of money...this 530 million extra funds will not make any perceptible difference.

Build the statue...just make it awesome!

 

[Deadpool]

I think it is worthy and by seeing proposal in the article... as this facility includes entertainment, jet skiing and those wind turbines.. and of course valuing majority heritage.. i think it is a two edge sword as it will benefit center in election.

Few points:

1. It is not just a statue. Think Liberty Island. They are building a whole host of facilities to make it Mumbai's number 1 Tourist spot.

2. Every tourist who comes to Mumbai - Indian and Foreigner will visit. Generating massive money. It will pay for itself over a period of time.

3. It will become the iconic symbol of Mumbai much like Statue of Liberty is for NYC. That creates its own value though is intangible. It manifests itself across different spectrum's.

4. It will create a cultural buzz and emphasize value of our heritage which again is an intangible. It will increase pride amongst the people. Something that cannot be generated even if every single road of Mumbai is resurfaced and has no potholes.

Cultural icons create pride, not roads.

5. It will definitely help the BJP politically.

So it has a whole host of reasons behind it. Its not cheap, that is for sure. But more or less I support it.

We need a whole host of things all important. We need roads, bridges, hospitals, etc. We ALSO need cultural icons. If we were not spending on the roads, etc, I would object to the statue. But we are doing that primarily. Spending on our icons and culture is not even .00001% of our annual budget.
Those who say that every last penny should be spent on the same thing are wrong.

 

[Goenitz]

I can't understand why Pakistanis are so bothered by this statue!

it is news, occurrence in our neighborhood, point of debate, construction work, social issue and many more reasons that it can attract a sane person

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@scorpionx

Shivaji's contribution to India is his successful battle to save Hinduism
This is the reason he is India's Hero

Marathas starting from Shivaji saved Western and Southern India from Islamists

If Bengal could not do so in the medieval ages ; then it is not Maharashtra's problem

Read Jadunath Sarkar's books on Marathas and their role in saving India

 

[scorpionx]

@scorpionx

Shivaji's contribution to India is his successful battle to save Hinduism
This is the reason he is India's Hero

Marathas starting from Shivaji saved Western and Southern India from Islamists

If Bengal could not do so in the medieval ages ; then it is not Maharashtra's problem

Read Jadunath Sarkar's books on Marathas and their role in saving India

I do not doubt Shivaji's contribution to India. I have already read Jadunath Sarkar's book, you didn't have to tell me. And I don't see any point in bringing Bengal into your argument, if you really knew what Maratha's did to Bengal. My argument is plain and simple which you could have easily comprehend if you had read my post properly.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

I do not doubt Shivaji's contribution to India. And I don't see any point in bringing Bengal into your argument.

There are Two reasons for Bringing Bengal into It

1 It is a perfectly valid comparision and assertion
that while Maharashtra fought the Islamists ; Bengal DID NOT

2 You being a Bengali just do not understand what Shivaji means to us Maharashtians

 

[Imran Khan]

why should we worry ? not our problem

 

[scorpionx]

There are Two reasons for Bringing Bengal into It

1 It is a perfectly valid comparision and assertion
that while Maharashtra fought the Islamists ; Bengal DID NOT

2 You being a Bengali just do not understand what Shivaji means to us Maharashtians

1. You do not have any distant idea what Marathas (savior of Hinduism according to you) did to Bengal. Again its no point in bringing it here, you just drew the card.

2. And it was a Bengali who, before any one else (let alone Maharashtrians) made the first authenticate research on Shivaji. Also in this cosmopolitan age, all these talks of regional exclusivity sounds moronic to me.

 

[Deadpool]

2 You being a Bengali just do not understand what Shivaji means to us Maharashtians

Have to agree with Scorpionx here.
In this day and age and belonging to the educated class, talk of regional exclusivity is utterly moronic.

I have zero connection from Maharashtra and belong to North India. I support the statue. Shivaji is an Indian icon.

 

[Goenitz]

why should we worry ? not our problem

why on earth i w'd worry !!! ?
its not planed in our sea
i am just interested why countries spend on monuments ..

It is believed that saddam told his children that nations need like this monuments. Then he gave reference of some European kings etc who did the same despite their regime was suffering..
So saddam satrted this in 1998 and u know better of Iraq situation at that time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Rahman_mosque