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Is Israel a True Ally of the United States?

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Promotion of freedom and Democracy.
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Wow, yes but who is doing this and what really do you mean by freedom and democracy.

You can shove democracy down people's throats till they choke but is real democracy that you are pushing or some half cocked version. Is it what is needed or something else. Governance can be delivered in many pseudo forms of so called democracy.

Does Iraq now have real democracy? Has Jordan got democracy? Has USA got democracy? Now that last one is very interesting.
How about freedom..

All nice motherly words.

So how does this actually fit into that equation of input and output?
 
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Alot of the replies on this thread are really stupid.. some of you have clearly not looked into this and are posting blunt statements

@Truthseeker

Maybe i can help you a little with regards to how Israel helps and contributes to the United States. First i would like you to look at this and think critically on who some of these current researched based technologies which not only help Israel but tremendously help the United States as well especially from an economic point of view and how Israel saves Billions for the US!!

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Now How does Israel Help the United States!! here are some points to note down.

International Relations are entirely based on Interest. Today your someones friend, tomorrow his enemy its a simple fact. Its simply the nature of international relations and there are no such things as 'True Friends' when it comes to world politics.


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"Remember the Cold War started in 1953 and went on for more than 30 years. In 1967, Israel defeated a radical Arab pro-Soviet theater offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of a pro-American Arab regime in the region, disrupt oil supplies, and thus severely undermine the American standard of living.

The U.S. gained valuable military information from an analysis of the Israeli-captured Soviet equipment, including SAM 2, SAM 12, Mig 21 aircraft, Soviet T54 battle tanks. In fact, Israel gave an entire squadron of Mig 21’s to the United States, which was dubbed the “Top Gun Squadron” and was used by the U.S. Air Force and naval forces for training purposes."

Since 1967, Israel [has] transferred captured Soviet weaponry systems to the United States Pentagon after every conflict: ‘67, ‘67-’70, ‘73, ‘82, 1990. They even transferred SCUD remnants from the Gulf War that had been fired on Israel, and the 2006 Hezbullah war against Israel, where they transferred missile components supplied by Iran, to the United States.

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In 1970, Israel brought about the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Jordan, at a time when the U.S. was tied up by wars in Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia, thus preventing the fall of the pro-American Hashemite regime and the installation of a pro-Soviet, Palestinian regime.

In 1973, thanks to U.S. resupply, but without U.S. forces, Israel defeated Soviet-trained and equipped Egyptian and Syrian forces. Israel again shared captured Soviet equipment, including battle tanks, with the U.S. Israel emerged as the only reliable ally, where U.S. troops could land, where U.S. equipment can be prepositioned, where the U.S. has friendly port facilities in Haifa and Ashdod, in the entire Middle East region. This too has saved the United States billions of dollars. And the list goes on.

Again remember this is all becaue of the Cold War and American gained invaluble information especially when it came to disecting sovient military equipment.

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In 1981 Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, delaying Saddam Hussein’s quest for nuclear weapons. It thus provided the United States with an option of engaging in conventional wars with Iraq in 1991, when they liberated Kuwait, and in 2003


The vice-president of General Dynamics [Corp.], which produces the F16 fighter jet, has stated that Israel is responsible for 600, that’s six-zero-zero, improvements in the plane’s systems, modified by Israel to make the plane much better, and it is estimated to be worth, these modifications, billions of dollars, which spared dozens of research and development years for General Dynamics.

In 1982 Israel destroyed Soviet anti-aircraft batteries in Lebanon that were considered immune to American weapons. Israel promptly shared that operation’s lessons, estimated to be worth billions of dollars, with the United States.

United States Air Force intelligence division, had publicly declared, quote, that “Israel is worth five CIA’s,” end of quote. He further stated that between 1974 and 1990, Israel received $18.3 billion in U.S. military grants. During the same period Israel provided the U.S. with $50 to $80 billion in intelligence, research and development savings, and Soviet weapons systems captured and transferred by Israel to the United States. In 2005 Israel provided America with the world’s most extensive experience in homeland defense in warfare against suicide bombers and car bombs. American soldiers trained in IDF facilities and Israeli-made drones fly above the Sunni triangle in Iraq as well as Afghanistan, providing U.S. Marines with vital intelligence.

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In September, 2007, the Israeli Air Force destroyed a Syrian/North Korean nuclear plant, extending the U.S.’s strategic arm. It provided the U.S. with vital information on Russian air defense systems, which are also employed by Iran

The U.S. GI’s benefit from Israel’s battle tactics against car bombs, improvised explosive devices, and homicide bombing. An Israeli-like ally in the Persian Gulf would have spared the need to dispatch U.S. troops to Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and unfortunately there is no other country
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Israeli information regarding Soviet arms saved the U.S. billions of dollars. The contribution made by Israel’s intelligence to the United States is greater than that provided by all the other NATO allies of the United States combined,” said Senator Inouye.

Israel’s utilization of American arms guarantees its existence, but at the same time, it gives the U.S. military industries, such as Boeing and General Dynamics, a competitive edge comared to European industries…while also…boosting American military production, producing American jobs and improving America’s national security

THESE Are just MILITARY benefits The US recieves from Israel and not mentioning the biotech and agricultural benefits
 
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Hi guys,

I dont understand why everyone out here missed the real help provided by Israel to US. Well the real help is through Intel, Mossad has its ears on all the countries in the world, specially on Pakistan,Afghanistan,iran,china and North korea. Moreover Mossad has intel on every key politician of US.The reason why US can never and ever confront israel is because of these,moreover half of the businessmen and politicians who have an upper hold in US are the JEWS.... and israels Mossad knows a lot more of american secrets than even the key people in DOD of US knows... classified top secrets of US army are with Mossad.. i dont have links to all the above claims, but i can understand from what i have read all these years.One thing is for sure,Mossad can penetrate into any country and gather intel which even the CIA can't.Its not the matter of being a good or trusted ally, its just the matter of coexsistence.America and american leaders have no choice but to exist as an ally of israel, beacause israel has penetrated deep into american defence and affairs.

There is some truth to that, but I think many here would be surprised at how little cooperation we actually have with the Israeli's. The Mossad and our CIA do not actually get along very well. Several high profile cases of Israeli espionage and the Israeli's "stand alone" attitude has not helped. It's the same with our military. Most of Americas allies participate in joint military exercises or exchanges with us. The Indian Air Force and the USAF have done this recently. We have never done this with Israel. The IDF keeps to itself for the most part. They cooperate far more with countries in Latin America and Africa than with us.
 
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Also please visit this Thread where i listed some of the positives of Israel's contributions

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...d-pakistan-recognize-israel-2.html#post385792

Israel is at the forefront of Biomedical innovation and has developed

- Advanced techniques in helping those who are paralyzed, from motorized robotic arms and legs that respond to brain commands, to procedures for regenerating the spinal cord.
- A Vaccine to treat Anthrax
- Preliminary research for generating molecules that will kill cancer cells but not affect normal cells
- Groundbreaking research for treatments or cures for Type 1 diabetes, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease and emphysema.
- Safer methods for diagnosing disease from mini video camera that fits into an ingestible pill and can be used for diagnosing intestinal diseases, to safer imaging techniques for diagnosing breast cancer
- A device that causes acne bacteria to self destruct without damaging the surrounding skin.
The worlds largest Generic Drug company, Teva Pharmaceuticals.

Israel is at the forefront of environmentally friendly innovations

- Israel is the worlds only country that entered the 21st century with a net gain in the number of trees ... lol
- An Israeli scientist pioneered the use of bacteria to clean up oil pollution in oil tankers pipelines and on beaches
- Developed a new technology that eliminates the need for chemicals, pesticides and fungicides in hydroponic agriculture
- The Israeli company Evogene introduced technology that genetically modifies foods naturally through "evolution accelerator Technology" which develops genes from the same plant
- Israeli's developed drip irrigation systems that revolutionized agriculture
- Developed a sun heated water tank, which converts solar energy into thermal energy
- Israeli, American and Canadian researchers formed the nano technology Clean water initiative to work on nanotech-based solution to the water shortages in the middle east and the rest of the world

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Wow, yes but who is doing this and what really do you mean by freedom and democracy.

You can shove democracy down people's throats till they choke but is real democracy that you are pushing or some half cocked version. Is it what is needed or something else. Governance can be delivered in many pseudo forms of so called democracy.

Does Iraq now have real democracy? Has Jordan got democracy? Has USA got democracy? Now that last one is very interesting.
How about freedom..

All nice motherly words.

So how does this actually fit into that equation of input and output?
In the US we have regular regime changes, even our Constitution demands it Presidents are limited to two four-years terms. But while the regime changes, the ideological-political foundation is not.

When the Soviet Union ignobly and spectacularly collapsed, not only the regime changed but also the ideological-political foundation that once supported that regime. So when the Russians decided to give 'democracy' and 'capitalism' a try, tell the forum who shoved democracy down the Russian's throats? When Red China decided to abandon communist style 'economics', a joke if there ever was one, who shoved capitalism down the Chinese's throats? Nature abhors a vacuum, as the old saying goes, so when communism was removed from Russia, something must take its place. When communist style economics was removed from Red China, something must take its place. And the world see success in China and failure in Russia. In both situations, no external forces were involved. Internal rot was the catalyst for change.

Blaming US for the mess in Iraq misses the point about ideologies and politics. If democracy was practiced 'half cocked' the root cause can only be those who applied and live under what they created. Democracy demands that people compromise and are suicide bombings the normal response in functional democracies in the West? When Gore challenged Bush's re-election, the only bloodshed were from paper cuts and the victims were lawyers. Today we see bullets and voters' bodies in Iran and can you guess from what form of politics the Iranians are applying? Is it 'half cocked' or may be 'quarter cocked'?
 
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Wow, yes but who is doing this and what really do you mean by freedom and democracy.

To be frank i don't have any idea....:cheers:


You can shove democracy down people's throats till they choke but is real democracy that you are pushing or some half cocked version. Is it what is needed or something else. Governance can be delivered in many pseudo forms of so called democracy.

Does Iraq now have real democracy? Has Jordan got democracy? Has USA got democracy? Now that last one is very interesting.
How about freedom..

All nice motherly words.

You need to read more about America Pro Democracy Polices

So how does this actually fit into that equation of input and output?

Are you saying that 150 Billion $$$ have been given without any reason.
 
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Are you saying that 150 Billion $$$ have been given without any reason.

You obviously don't want to believe it but the #1 reason, by far, the US has spent $trillions, not $billions, protecting Israel, with little in return, is Christian guilt and compassion. There is no rational reason for US policy. No realpolitik reason. If you are not a Christian you probably find this totally incomprehensible and unbelievable. But the US policy of protecting Israel is probably the most costly exercise of a morally-motivated foreign policy in the history of mankind.
 
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International Relations are entirely based on Interest.

Israel defeated a radical Arab pro-Soviet theater offensive, which threatened to bring about the collapse of a pro-American Arab regime in the region, disrupt oil supplies, and thus severely undermine the American standard of living.

The U.S. gained valuable military information from an analysis of the Israeli-captured Soviet equipment ....

In 1970, Israel brought about the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Jordan

In 1981 Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, delaying Saddam Hussein’s quest for nuclear weapons.

In 1982 Israel destroyed Soviet anti-aircraft batteries in Lebanon that were considered immune to American weapons. Israel promptly shared that operation’s lessons, estimated to be worth billions of dollars, with the United States.

In September, 2007, the Israeli Air Force destroyed a Syrian/North Korean nuclear plant, extending the U.S.’s strategic arm.

The U.S. GI’s benefit from Israel’s battle tactics against car bombs, improvised explosive devices, and homicide bombing.

Israeli information regarding Soviet arms saved the U.S. billions of dollars. The contribution made by Israel’s intelligence to the United States is greater than that provided by all the other NATO allies of the United States combined,” said Senator Inouye.


Most of these ^^^^ benefits are "peanuts", or were done by Israel for itself, or you have overblown the significance to the US. I don't think anything you have listed constitutes much help for an ally, i.e. Israel helping the US. These things are minor benefits accruing from Israeli activities to do what it feels like doing to protect itself.
 
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You obviously don't want to believe it but the #1 reason, by far, the US has spent $trillions, not $billions, protecting Israel, with little in return, is Christian guilt and compassion. There is no rational reason for US policy. No realpolitik reason. If you are not a Christian you probably find this totally incomprehensible and unbelievable. But the US policy of protecting Israel is probably the most costly exercise of a morally-motivated foreign policy in the history of mankind.

Would make a good picture....;)
 
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Most of these ^^^^ benefits are "peanuts", or were done by Israel for itself, or you have overblown the significance to the US. I don't think anything you have listed constitutes much help for an ally, i.e. Israel helping the US. These things are minor benefits accruing from Israeli activities to do what it feels like doing to protect itself.

How are these minor benefits? You are talking about the cold war here where spending a couple of billion dollars on Israel the US has gathered intelligence about Russian Military worth 100's of billions of dollars.. Please read the entire post correctly.. none of this stuff is overblown..
 
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Would make a good picture....;)

Won't be a picture made in America because the Jewish American Hollywood folks would never allow this kind of spin. Only "brave little Israel battling against all odds" is allowed for American movies about the Middle East. Uhhhhh, also evil Arab movies are allowed. You might ask why a movie has never been made about the USS Liberty in 1967? THAT would be a great movie.
 
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