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Is Israel a True Ally of the United States?

Here is the biggest help US got from Israel:-

During the Cold War it was Israel that supplied US with the Russian made weapons, as it had a stockpile of Russian made weapons. These Weapons were provided to the Afghan Mujjaheddin which finally defeated the USSR.
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So, Mr. TS was it any small of a help?

Congratulations, you came up with something tangible. In fact I just read about this in "Ghost Wars" and had forgotten. Do you think the Israelis got a good price???
 
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Joshi;403044]What Conspiracy Theory?

OK you tell me if it's not for it's vested Geo-political interests, then why US help Israel too much?
Give answer to this question non-diplomatically.

Like any country that need reconstrution or building from ground up US has supported them and keeps vested interest. Nothing new there.

Secondly. US has no historical connection to Jews. Then what make Americans so kind hearted helping people that they are helping Jews get a state in the MIDDLE EAST, where co-incidentally most of the world's oil and natural gas is found... Oh I forgot America's Democracy preaching, Pro-Freedom Foreign Policy

Yes it does, American ideals where forumed from judio-christian ideals. By the way talking about Oil and Americans being there is totally bull crap!! The total GNP of middle east (including saudi arabia) does not even add up to Spains GNP.


I remember a quote by an American President in 1920s which was like...
'America's business is business.'

That totally sums up your Foreign Policy since then. Where there is no business, there is no America, and where there is business there is America. And there is a lot of business in Middle East.
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And I say what's wrong with that, Why is India growing today because it is doing more business with US then in the Past. Why China is boasting about it's economy and foreign reserves? But if American does business, it is evil!! What nonsence.
 
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Congratulations, you came up with something tangible. In fact I just read about this in "Ghost Wars" and had forgotten. Do you think the Israelis got a good price???

They got 30 million dollars IIRC, or 300 maybe, 20 years ago.
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Here's what it is like TS. We cannot see our own face, but we can see others' faces. So let me help you with an analogy. Israel is to America, what North Korea and Pakistan are to China.
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NoKo and Pakistan do not even invest in China, still they are important for China's interests. Same is the case with your query.
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Hope that is up-to your tangibility requirements.
 
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srael is to America, what North Korea and Pakistan are to China.
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NoKo and Pakistan do not even invest in China, still they are important for China's interests. Same is the case with your query.
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Hope that is up-to your tangibility requirements.

I disagree with your analogy. NoKo and Pakistan are neighbors of China. It is in China's interest to keep NoKo from collapsing causing horrendous refugee problems or a stronger SoKo. Pakistan is an inportant ally in case of confrontation with India. Israel is not a US neighbor and it's territory is of no strategic value to the US. The US only fears the guilt of a second holocaust if it were to allow Israel to be overrun. That's it, totally.

PS. If the US didn't have "Christian guilt", Israel would be toast by now.
 
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Pak-Marine said:
US wont come up directly it uses israel and thats why they help created Israel.
Do you not watch the news? Get Israel to do it for us? LoL. I first went to the Persian Gulf as an advisor to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1981 and 86', where I worked along side Pakistani advisers BTW. I spent two tours there, then I fought in the first American-Iraq war, then America deployed it's forces to Afghanistan in response to the attack on our civilians on 9/11 2001, then we deployed and fought and defeated Saddam in the second American-Iraqi war. We are currently engaged in active combat in both Iraq and Afghanistan. We haven't seen a single Israeli soldier in any of those places at any of those times.
 
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now most of these critique can read this :
what kind of response american gave to israel ?

The 1930's - Negative - The US Establishment helped sponsor the rise of the German Nazi movement.

1939-1945 - Negative - This year's material is divided into the following sections:

Introduction

1. The general policy of the Allies towards the plight
of the Jews

2. No US visas for European Jews trying to escape the Nazi slaughter

3. The allies refused to sabotage Hitler's Final Solution by military means

1945 - Negative -
After 1945, the US created US Intelligence by recruiting tens of thousands of Nazi war criminals.

1947-48 - Mixed to Negative - Forced by external circumstances, the US government gave lukewarm support to the creation of the State of Israel. But then it reversed itself and implemented policies designed to destroy Israel.

1949-1953 - Negative - In Israel's hour of supreme need, the US allied with Israel's mortal enemies.

1955 - Mixed - The US forces Israel to withdraw from Sinai, but makes some concessions to the Israelis.

1955-1965 - Positive (in one regard only) - Israel indirectly gets some US weapons.

1958 - Negative - Israel assists US military intervention in the Middle East; when this places Israel in danger, the US does...nothing.

1964 - Mixed - The US abandoned its previous official policy of trying to get Israel to relinquish the territories won in the War of Independence. Why had it been trying to do this?

1964-1967 - Negative - Although Israel suffered terrorist attacks from its Arab neighbors during these years, when they staged a full-scale military provocation, the US refused to help.

1967 - Negative - After the Six-Day War, the US put pressure on Israel to relinquish the territory gained, even though it knew it was indispensable to Israeli defense.

1967-70 - Negative - The Arabs attack the Israelis. The US response is to try and remove the Israelis from territory they need for their defense.

1970 - Positive - Washington temporarily abandons the diplomatic effort to make Israel withdraw from the territories.

1973 - Positive - The US assisted Israel in the Yom Kippur War.

1973-1975 - Negative - The US supported the election of a pro-PLO Nazi war criminal to the post of UN Secretary General.

1975 - Negative - The US reached an agreement with Israel not to have contacts with the PLO. The US immediately violated the agreement.

1977 - Negative - Jimmy Carter worked hard to give the terrorist PLO the dignity of a 'government in exile,' and then he teamed up with the Soviets to try and saddle Israel with a PLO terrorist state next door.

1978 - Negative - When Israel tried to defend itself from the PLO terrorists, the US forced Israel to stand back.

1979 - Negative - Jimmy Carter began large-scale US sponsorship of antisemitic Islamist terrorists, especially in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

1981 - Negative - The US pushed for a PLO state in the West Bank against Israeli objections.

1982-1983 - Negative - The US military rushed into Lebanon to protect the PLO from the Israelis.

1985 - Negative - 1985 includes more material than other years, so we have divided it into subsections.

1. Shimon Peres acted as a US agent, against Israeli interests.

2. Bettino Craxi and Giulio Andreotti (respectively, the Italian prime minister and foreign minister) committed political suicide for the sake of pushing the PLO. The US was behind them.

3. Ronald Reagan denied the Holocaust

4. Who was in charge of US covert operations in 1985?


1987-1988 - Negative - The 'First Intifada' was a US-PLO strategy used to represent the Arabs in West Bank and Gaza as supposedly oppressed 'underdogs.'

1989 - Negative - With Dick Cheney, the US began supporting a PLO state in the open as the 'only solution' to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

1991 - Negative - Bush Sr.'s administration forced Israel to participate in the Oslo process, which brought the PLO into the West Bank and Gaza.

1994 - Negative - Yasser Arafat was given a Nobel Peace Prize, and the CIA trained the PLO, even though Arafat's henchmen were saying in public, this very year, that they would use their training to oppress Arabs and kill Jews.

1996-1997 - Negative - The United States exerted such strong pressure on the Netanyahu government (including threats) that, even though Netanyahu had been elected on an anti-Oslo platform, he had the necessary cover to betray the Israeli public that had elected him.

2005 - Negative - Mahmoud Abbas, who will soon have total control over Gaza, is the one who invented the strategy of talking 'peace' the better to slaughter Israelis. The US ruling elite loves Mahmoud Abbas.
 
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Can you elaborate more please?.

America does everything in its power to ensure that Israel the only multi-party democracy in the Middle East survives. So that America can promote democracy in Middle East. Without Israel, America cannot promote democracy in Middle East.
 
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well about the israel's 'not being a true ally'...i think that the foreign policy of israel has always sucked.I mean after the holocaust...the israelis have always been suspicious of most nations...they fought the british who were there in palestine to relocate them...they organised and alienated themselves from all the other mid-east countries because of their lack of subtleness in handling the palestinian population.
i have read and heard a lot of israelis say "we either have enemies or neutral countries"....the israelis have been conditioned to be brutal n their foreign policy and in general...imo it is not their fault. they have seen the worst and they dont want to take chances.
 
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if u talk about war in midle east... US doesnt need israel for that. kwait iraq war had to do nothing with israel and same goes for many other wars.

democracy.. US is not really interested in bringing democracy to ME. Arab leaders are servin them well. i guess more than wat israel does.

interms of business... Israel is at competition with US in most of the fields.

then y doesnt US support israel??
strong israeli lobby in US. church factor. US played a major role in the creation of israel. strong ppl to ppl contact as many israelis were americans at some point.

problem with israel?
too stubborn to even listen to their friends.

pakistani nukes...
i really doubt if US has got much of a problem with that. its israeli lobby which sees us as a threat of some kind.
 
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Why is it that the only group in history to be rejected by every people they have lived with are the jews.......go back to the egyptians all the way to the germans.

Its either all the people are bad or the jews are doing something wrong.
 
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