Is India's Missile Defense Making War With Pakistan More Likely?

[GumNaam]

Why are you dreaming to grill Lahore and Amritsir?
Use another example, anything from south because Pakistan can as well launch missiles from underneath water.

even from land...our missiles will take less than 4 minutes to reach the farthest reaches of india when launch from the farthest reaches of Pakistan.

 

[Basel]

Please don’t forget to let me know when you have 5th of Indian reserves ($80B) and IMF off your back.

You are still hearing that argument because it is still true.

You must worry about your broke finances bro. You are up to to your neck in it. If this is not true you would have put your army on the border after Aug5.



Missile program if you have the know how is cheap, but not maintaining it.

It is even more of a drag if you want to maintain nuke ones.



Again, maintaining nukes and missiles don’t come cheap. China has a declared 200 nukes. And they have a bigger enemy to face.

If India is clever with their ABM tech, they might be able to able to sell to friendly countries and make some money.

Indian BMD is already obsolete as you rival China have developed HGVs to take care of it and even US have concerns about that capability.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-defeat-the-missile-defense-the-future-18361

 

[Smarana Mitra]

U do understand tje difference between a test and real scenario. In a test u precisely know the trajectory, no jamming, no interference. In real life, any BMD has a percentage of success. Also BMDs can be overwhelmed easily with drones. Cruise missiles can sneak in and MIRV can ensure BMD cant stop a hit. By the way i quoted the article, so might ask the author how he deduced that.

The precise location of the missile will be known in test but that doesn't mean that the BMD will be given that information. The missile firing is done and then the BMD is separately operated to detect the missile and destroy it.

India only has the capability to hit missiles of 2000km range. India doesn't claim to have the ability to hit ICBM. India as of now only has the ability to hit MRBM and that is something which other countries too have developed with precision. MRBM have speed upto 14 Mach and hence possible to be intercepted with precision.

 

[KhanBaba2]

There will be no war between two nuclear powers until directed energy based missile defense systems are created.

 

[PradoTLC]

India’s missile system is doing a splendid job if it is playing it’s part in dragging Pak’s economy to the ground.

while indian banks fails, and economy...lol... what economy?

 

[Mace]

while indian banks fails, and economy...lol... what economy?

Pak at the moment “borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, Chang, etc”. You should not even be opening your mouth about Indian economy. Let me know when you have 1/5th of Indian reserves ($85B).

Corona virus is going to f*** up Pak economy even more. You should be more worried about this.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The precise location of the missile will be known in test but that doesn't mean that the BMD will be given that information. The missile firing is done and then the BMD is separately operated to detect the missile and destroy it.

India only has the capability to hit missiles of 2000km range. India doesn't claim to have the ability to hit ICBM. India as of now only has the ability to hit MRBM and that is something which other countries too have developed with precision. MRBM have speed upto 14 Mach and hence possible to be intercepted with precision.

there is no 100% guarantee that ABM system can hit BMs always, and in India and Pakistan scenario REACTION time is SO low, you have only minutes to React, and building an ABM system 3 time more expensive than building BMs, you need 3 ABM INTERCEPTOR to intercept 1 Pakistani BMs

 

[Smarana Mitra]

there is no 100% guarantee that ABM system can hit BMs always, and in India and Pakistan scenario REACTION time is SO low, you have only minutes to React, and building an ABM system 3 time more expensive than building BMs, you need 3 ABM INTERCEPTOR to intercept 1 Pakistani BMs

ABM is much smaller than MRBM and hence requires smaller launcher. This imposed limit on the number of launchers Pakistan can have and hence nullifies the impact of quantity of ABM vs BM.

ABM has only 80% kill ratio with MRBM level missiles but even that is enough to reduce the hit significantly. Imagine where 80% of missiles caring nukes are stuck down.

The reaction time for small range missile is low before interception. But if penis wants to use MRBM, it will have detection time. Moreover, most time is taken for initial launch itself and hence some reaction time is inevitable just because it takes time for missile to gain speed after launch. Pakistan can attack nearby Indian targets in Gujarat, Punjab etc but farther targets are safe relatively

 

[Ultima Thule]

ABM is much smaller than MRBM and hence requires smaller launcher. This imposed limit on the number of launchers Pakistan can have and hence nullifies the impact of quantity of ABM vs BM.

ABM has only 80% kill ratio with MRBM level missiles but even that is enough to reduce the hit significantly. Imagine where 80% of missiles caring nukes are stuck down.

The reaction time for small range missile is low before interception. But if penis wants to use MRBM, it will have detection time. Moreover, most time is taken for initial launch itself and hence some reaction time is inevitable just because it takes time for missile to gain speed after launch. Pakistan can attack nearby Indian targets in Gujarat, Punjab etc but farther targets are safe relatively

Where you heard that 80%figure even USA have just over 50% average to its ALL ABM system and you have better ABM system than USA and ABM system needs more sophistication than BMs because BMs also carried decoys such dummy warheads/chaff/electronic noise maker to confused defenses and MIRV (MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT TARGETING VEHICLES) FATHER REDUCE INEFFECTIVENESS OF ABM MORE RECENT ANTI ABM TECHNOLOGY LIKE MANEUVERABLE WARHEADS/BOOST GLIDE VEHICLES/POWERED WARHEADS FURTHER COMPLICATES INTERCEPTIONS BY ABM SYSTEMS

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Where you heard that 80%figure even USA have just over 50% average to its ALL ABM system and you have better ABM system than USA and ABM system needs more sophistication than BMs because BMs also carried decoys such dummy warheads/chaff/electronic noise maker to confused defenses and MIRV (MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT TARGETING VEHICLES) FATHER REDUCE INEFFECTIVENESS OF ABM MORE RECENT ANTI ABM TECHNOLOGY LIKE MANEUVERABLE WARHEADS/BOOST GLIDE VEHICLES/POWERED WARHEADS FURTHER COMPLICATES INTERCEPTIONS BY ABM SYSTEMS

No, testing if sm6 showed they MRBM interception is very high. It reduces as the range of missile increases. ICBM is very difficult to intercept. Not even 50% chance of intercepting ICBM

 

[Ultima Thule]

No, testing if sm6 showed they MRBM interception is very high. It reduces as the range of missile increases. ICBM is very difficult to intercept. Not even 50% chance of intercepting ICBM

In test there is control environment real environment/conditions its a different story and please tell me if SM-6 is enough for USN for interceptions of MRBMs then why they placed another ABM INTERCEPTOR ON THEIR SHIPS NAMED SM-3

 

[Smarana Mitra]

SM3 is exo-atmospheric ABM whereas SM6 is endi-atmospheric ABM. SM6 is highly accurate and good enough to defend against MRBM level threats. SM3 is mainly for AEGIS shield and for longer range ballistic missiles.

In test there is control environment real environment/conditions its a different story and please tell me if SM-6 is enough for USN for interceptions of MRBMs then why they placed another ABM INTERCEPTOR ON THEIR SHIPS NAMED SM-3

Why do you think real world tests conducted by DRDO is not actual scenario's simulation? Why assume that the test is solely in controlled condition?

 

[HttpError]

The close proximity of Pakistan-India would make any Missile Defence system null, either adversary will be able to overwhelm them and reaction times would further make these defense system less capable. So their high-cost would not be worth it.

 

[Ultima Thule]

SM3 is exo-atmospheric ABM whereas SM6 is endi-atmospheric ABM. SM6 is highly accurate and good enough to defend against MRBM level threats. SM3 is mainly for AEGIS shield and for longer range ballistic missiles.

Why do you think real world tests conducted by DRDO is not actual scenario's simulation? Why assume that the test is solely in controlled condition?

Now tell me why they put SM-3 on a same ship if SM-6 are highly effective against MRBM according to you and where do you get 80% figures, give me link/proof, doesn't believe just on YOUR WORDING

You can't exact copy REAL scenario of war but CLOSER TO IT

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Now tell me why they put SM-3 on a same ship if SM-6 are highly effective against MRBM according to you and where do you get 80% figures, give me link/proof, doesn't believe just on YOUR WORDING

You can't exact copy REAL scenario of war but CLOSER TO IT

SM6 is for defence of ship whereas SM3 is part of AEGIS BMD. SM3 is meant to defend strategic sites of navy, not the ships themselves. So, they serve different purpose.

I can't say exactly what is the accuracy as it is never released. But the various sources have praised SM6 for its accuracy and hence I assumed that it has high accuracy