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History is not finished yet. Wait and see. Islamic nation has risen from the ashes, like Simaurg, plenty of times.

Ps: Don’t know who Simaurg is, ask your Uyghurs. ;)



What kind of history is this? No, we were not. We were ruling Europe, India, and half of Africa.

Don’t get arrogant, Chengiz Khan smashed that civilization long ago.
Then why are you complaining ?
 
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History is not finished yet. Wait and see. Islamic nation has risen from the ashes, like Simaurg, plenty of times.

Ps: Don’t know who Simaurg is, ask your Uyghurs. ;)



What kind of history is this? No, we were not. We were ruling Europe, India, and half of Africa.

Don’t get arrogant, Chengiz Khan smashed that civilization long ago.
where is Chengiz Khan now? we slaughtered 95% of them and send the rest to gobi desert to eat sands for a living. I can assure your end will be far more miserable than that.
 
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Every single Muslim is already the part of a nation, this is the nation of Muhammad saws. What happens to one Muslim in China affects us all. Every Muslim is obligated to look after the interests of his fellow Muslim.
The most numerous Muslim population in China are Hui Muslims , do you believe that they think they have anything to do with Pakistanis? Stop fooling yourself. Isn't the whole Middle East mess being Muslims killing Muslims? You are so radically delusioned.
 
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History is not finished yet. Wait and see. Islamic nation has risen from the ashes, like Simaurg, plenty of times.

Ps: Don’t know who Simaurg is, ask your Uyghurs. ;)
Like a threat, want change our non-muslim to muslim? or enslave us? of course if you are really that good, advanced, I don't care, if your religion is really that advanced, I will go to mosque and believe in, but you are? future belong to all people, not Allah and muslims, China had been most advanced state, because carrying out seclusion, refuse to accept advantage of others and do change, we lag behind and being humiliated, it is our fault.

Now, Muslim nation are in chaos and backward? who's fault? Allah? I am not optimistic to a religion that refuse to accept its shortcoming and change. Muslim maybe had been a advanced religion, but now, it is not. religious fanaticism and uterus weapon are your only two choices, but not religion doctrine itself, sorry for my hurtfull words.


From pitying Islam to disliking Islam, it is a course, what I experienced? western propaganda, indifference of Quran doctrine or mindless quibble, hehe, whose fault? my?
 
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Like a threat, want change our non-muslim to muslim? or enslave us? of course if you are really that good, advanced, I don't care, if your religion is really that advanced, I will go to mosque and believe in, but you are? future belong to all people, not Allah and muslims, China had been most advanced state, because carrying out seclusion, refuse to accept advantage of others and do change, we lag behind and being humiliated, it is our fault.

Now, Muslim nation are in chaos and backward? who's fault? Allah? I am not optimistic to a religion that refuse to accept its shortcoming and change. Muslim maybe had been a advanced religion, but now, it is not. religious fanaticism and uterus weapon are your only two choices, but not religion doctrine itself, sorry for my hurtfull words.
Very true, the west rose to the top because of the religious reformation and enlightenment movement, otherwise it would be stuck in the Dark Age for another thousand years, change brings development, dogmatism backwardness.
 
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Now we all know what kind of country this is.

China should ditch pakistan immediately, let India do the dirty job to finish 90% of them, which by the way fall on the exptise of modiji, then we will delivery the final blow.

Believe me the region will become a better place thereafter.

So the Chinese posters were right about you I.e. a dirty fake imposter. Too ashamed to show your Indian flag, I know.....
Modi jee? Lol.
Don’t ever come back coward.

Never compare Afghanistan with China. pakistan is well-known failed state which couldn't even keep its house in order, let alone manage its border. Besides, the geographical situation is hugely different in two cases. Don't count on those malnourished, poorer-than-africa flood ever reach China border in the first place.

China has no fundamental problem with india except south tibet. We can easily reach an agreement by ditching pakistan in exchange for south tibet. You bet india will feel hitting a jackpot by hearing that proposal. As for us, having india as neighbour is 100 times more comfortable than pakistan.

Good Lord you couldn’t even keep up the charade.
 
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Every single Muslim is already the part of a nation, this is the nation of Muhammad saws. What happens to one Muslim in China affects us all.

Why don't Muslim countries help Rohingya? In ME you have Muslim fighting Muslim. The US have been killing Muslim for a long time how come no Muslim countries attackUS?
 
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Why don't Muslim countries help Rohingya? In ME you have Muslim fighting Muslim. The US have been killing Muslim for a long time how come no Muslim countries attackUS?

Totally.

They even have a Fake NATO and Fake UNO
 
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where is Chengiz Khan now? we slaughtered 95% of them and send the rest to gobi desert to eat sands for a living. I can assure your end will be far more miserable than that.

An Indian pretending to be Chinese. It makes sense now.

Look how quickly the Chinese xenophobes come out of hiding when an Indian false flagged is egging them on.

The most numerous Muslim population in China are Hui Muslims , do you believe that they think they have anything to do with Pakistanis? Stop fooling yourself. Isn't the whole Middle East mess being Muslims killing Muslims? You are so radically delusioned.

I’m a mainline Muslim, and believe in Sufism (like Uygurs do also.) my personal religious sentiments don’t figure into this. Keep this a political discussion.

No use for cheap stereotypes. I can also say plenty of things about Chinese people, but as a Muslim I will refrain.

Like a threat, want change our non-muslim to muslim? or enslave us? of course if you are really that good, advanced, I don't care, if your religion is really that advanced, I will go to mosque and believe in, but you are? future belong to all people, not Allah and muslims, China had been most advanced state, because carrying out seclusion, refuse to accept advantage of others and do change, we lag behind and being humiliated, it is our fault.

Now, Muslim nation are in chaos and backward? who's fault? Allah? I am not optimistic to a religion that refuse to accept its shortcoming and change. Muslim maybe had been a advanced religion, but now, it is not. religious fanaticism and uterus weapon are your only two choices, but not religion doctrine itself, sorry for my hurtfull words.


From pitying Islam to disliking Islam, it is a course, what I experienced? western propaganda, indifference of Quran doctrine or mindless quibble, hehe, whose fault? my?

What does your historical experience tell you? Arrogance always leads to defeat and destruction. Humility and hard work leads to success.

China is benefitting from manufacturing and exporting to western countries. As the West declines, Chinese economy will also begin to stall. Your success is directly tied to the West. High chance that you will fall with them.

Russia however is fairly independent of the West and can weather the collapse of Western powers, and actually will benefit greatly.

Russia’s U-turn in Chechnya helped them build confidence and support among Muslim countries from Turkey to Iran, regardless of xenophobia in a Russia itself for Muslims or Asian-looking minorities.

Solving the Uyghur issue with respect for their religious rights can only benefit China.

Why don't Muslim countries help Rohingya? In ME you have Muslim fighting Muslim. The US have been killing Muslim for a long time how come no Muslim countries attackUS?

We are suffering an era of instability and occupation like China faced not too long ago. Your historical experience should tell you not to sell us less. Muslims will rise, but will other nations like China be friend or foe?
 
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Chinese Communists are busy with economy. No time to pursuit the ideal of eradicating opium of the people. It is only the terrorism that they have to deal with at the moment. BJP is probably more eager in this task than Chinese Communists.
Chinese communists are better in this regard. BJP is too weak to actually remove the religious opium.
Indian communists are pretty useless too.
 
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An Indian pretending to be Chinese. It makes sense now.

Look how quickly the Chinese xenophobes come out of hiding when an Indian false flagged is egging them on.



I’m a mainline Muslim, and believe in Sufism (like Uygurs do also.) my personal religious sentiments don’t figure into this. Keep this a political discussion.

No use for cheap stereotypes. I can also say plenty of things about Chinese people, but as a Muslim I will refrain.



What does your historical experience tell you? Arrogance always leads to defeat and destruction. Humility and hard work leads to success.

China is benefitting from manufacturing and exporting to western countries. As the West declines, Chinese economy will also begin to stall. Your success is directly tied to the West. High chance that you will fall with them.

Russia however is fairly independent of the West and can weather the collapse of Western powers, and actually will benefit greatly.

Russia’s U-turn in Chechnya helped them build confidence and support among Muslim countries from Turkey to Iran, regardless of xenophobia in a Russia itself for Muslims or Asian-looking minorities.

Solving the Uyghur issue with respect for their religious rights can only benefit China.



We are suffering an era of instability and occupation like China faced not too long ago. Your historical experience should tell you not to sell us less. Muslims will rise, but will other nations like China be friend or foe?

no wonder pakistan economy so fucked.. your understanding of economy so dull :lol:

China will handle Uyghur with Iron clad, whether muslim all around the world like it or not, deal with it.. :guns:
 
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no wonder pakistan economy so fucked.. your understanding of economy so dull :lol:

China will handle Uyghur with Iron clad, whether muslim all around the world like it or not, deal with it.. :guns:

India is already falling economically.

Here come the Modi zealots. :sarcastic:

I’ve said all I wanted to. Take care all.
 
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In what locals said they fear is a deliberate move to eradicate Islam, the atheist ruling Communist Party has banned children under 16 from religious activity or study in Linxia, a deeply Islamic region in western China’s Gansu province that had offered a haven of comparative religious freedom for the ethnic Hui Muslims there.

China governs Xinjiang, another majority Muslim region in its far west, with an iron fist to weed out what it calls “religious extremism” and “separatism” in the wake of deadly unrest, throwing ethnic Uygurs into shadowy re-education camps without due process for minor infractions such as owning a Koran or even growing a beard.







Now, Hui Muslims fear similar surveillance and repression.

“The winds have shifted” in the past year, said a senior imam who requested anonymity. “Frankly, I’m very afraid they’re going to implement the Xinjiang model here.”




Local authorities have severely curtailed the number of people over 16 officially allowed to study in each mosque and limited certification processes for new imams.

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They have also instructed mosques to display national flags and stop sounding the call to prayer to reduce “noise pollution” – with loudspeakers removed entirely from all 355 mosques in a neighbouring county.

“They want to secularise Muslims, to cut off Islam at the roots,” the imam said, shaking with barely restrained emotion. “These days, children are not allowed to believe in religion: only in communism and the party.”


More than 1,000 boys used to attend his mid-sized mosque to study Koranic basics during summer and winter school holidays but now they are banned from even entering the premises.

His classrooms are still full of huge Arabic books from Saudi Arabia, browned with age and bound in heavy leather. But only 20 officially registered pupils over the age of 16 are now allowed to use them.

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Parents were told the ban on extracurricular Koranic study was for their children’s own good, so they could rest and focus on secular coursework. But most are utterly panicked.

“We’re scared, very scared. If it goes on like this, after a generation or two, our traditions will be gone,” said Ma Lan, a 45-year-old caretaker, tears dripping quietly into her uneaten bowl of beef noodle soup.

Inspectors checked her local mosque every few days during the last school holiday to ensure none of the 70 or so village boys were present.


Their imam initially tried holding lessons in secret before sunrise but soon gave up, fearing repercussions.

Instead of studying five hours a day at the mosque, her 10-year-old son stayed home watching television. She said he dreamed of being an imam, but his schoolteachers had encouraged him to make money and become a communist cadre.

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The Hui number nearly 10 million, half the country’s Muslim population, according to 2012 government statistics.

In Linxia, they have historically been well integrated with the ethnic Han majority, able to openly express their devotion and centre their lives around their faith.

Women in headscarves dish out boiled lamb in mirror-panelled halal eateries while streams of white-hatted men meander into mosques for afternoon prayers, passing shops hawking rugs, incense and “eight treasure tea”, a local speciality including dates and dried chrysanthemum buds.

But in January, local officials signed a decree pledging to ensure that no individual or organisation would “support, permit, organise or guide minors towards entering mosques for Koranic study or religious activities”, or push them towards religious beliefs.

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“I cannot act contrary to my beliefs. Islam requires education from cradle to grave. As soon as children are able to speak we should begin to teach them our truths,” he said.

“It feels like we are slowly moving back towards the repression of the Cultural Revolution,” he said, referring to a nationwide purge from 1966 until 1976 when local mosques were dismantled or turned into donkey sheds.

Other imams complained authorities were issuing fewer certificates required to practise or teach and now only to graduates of state-sanctioned institutions.

“For now, there are enough of us, but I fear for the future. Even if there are still students, there won’t be anyone of quality to teach them,” one imam said.

Chinese tourists expelled from Malaysia for ‘hot dance’ in front of mosque:enjoy:

Local authorities failed to answer repeated calls seeking comment but Linxia’s youth ban comes as China rolls out its newly revised Religious Affairs Regulations.

The rules have intensified punishments for unsanctioned religious activities across all faiths and regions.

Beijing was targeting minors “as a way to ensure that faith traditions die out while also maintaining the government’s control over ideological affairs”, said William Nee, a China researcher at Amnesty International.

Another imam said the tense situation in Xinjiang was at the root of changes in Linxia.

The government believed that “religious piety fosters fanaticism, which spawns extremism, which leads to terrorist acts – so they want to secularise us”, he said.

Xinjiang crackdown must go on to subdue ‘terror risks’, China says

But many Hui are quick to distinguish themselves from Uygurs.

“They believe in Islam too, but they’re violent and bloodthirsty. We’re nothing like that,” said Muslim hairdresser Ma Jiancai, 40, drawing on common stereotypes.

Sitting under the elegant eaves of a Sufi shrine complex, a young scholar from Xinjiang said his family had sent him alone aged five to Linxia to study the Koran with a freedom not possible in his hometown.

“Things are very different here,” he said with knitted brows. “I hope to stay.”

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/pol...theist-communist-party-trying-eradicate-islam

The South China post is a HK based paper that does not tow the government line, but also does display bias.
There's a few things in this article, firstly the old 'anonymous' source lowers the credibility of an article and pretty much gives the piece an open opportunity to say what it wants, without fallout.
I picked up on the whole 'They have also instructed mosques to display national flags', when I saw with my own two eyes a Chinese Hui running up a mountain in the Haj and putting a huge Chinese flag at the top, before pilgrims of other nations could. They also wore these flags everywhere on their clothes and baggage. So who forced them?
Leaving all this aside one of the most glaring inconsistencies is this;

'But in January, local officials signed a decree pledging to ensure that no individual or organisation would “support, permit, organise or guide minors towards entering mosques for Koranic study or religious activities”, or push them towards religious beliefs'

But in the same article a young man from Xinjiang is quoted;

Sitting under the elegant eaves of a Sufi shrine complex, a young scholar from Xinjiang said his family had sent him alone aged five to Linxia to study the Koran with a freedom not possible in his hometown.

“Things are very different here,” he said with knitted brows. “I hope to stay.”

So things are great and different and he's also studying the Quran there, but yet there's this crackdown, right....

The article also always references 'local officials' so I believe some may have taken things a little far, but this is not central government or official policy.
The whole thing about imams being certified from national institutions is not wrong either, you don't want people preaching anything to your population. Pakistan itself has suffered horribly at the hands of crazy preachers imparting their 'advise' to the local populace whereafter chaos follows.

I'll close the thread at this.
 
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