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The largest rebel group in Myanmar, UWSA, is thought to be well funded and equipped with relatively modernize Chinese weapons.

They have a number of Chinese made ZFB 05 armored personnel carriers which is used only by Chinese Armed Police and some Peacekeepers. Neither Myanmar Armed Forces nor other ASEAN countries used that ZFB 05 armored personnel carriers. So how come UWSA able to use those APCs which are used only by Chinese?

UWSA will not be able use such vehicle without the support from the Chinese side.

UWSA are also using QBZ series bullpup rifles. They also have a number of M 99 12.7 mm sniper rifles which is used only in Chinese military.

As there are no known black markets in China, one can clearly see where the flow of such modern weapons originated from.

Theses are the clear evidences that China is trying to destabilize the Myanmar by supporting rebels.

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The largest rebel group in Myanmar, UWSA, is thought to be well funded and equipped with relatively modernize Chinese weapons.

They have a number of Chinese made ZFB 05 armored personnel carriers which is used only by Chinese Armed Police and some Peacekeepers. Neither Myanmar Armed Forces nor other ASEAN countries used that ZFB 05 armored personnel carriers. So how come UWSA able to use those APCs which are used only by Chinese?

UWSA will not be able use such vehicle without the support from the Chinese side.

UWSA are also using QBZ series bullpup rifles. They also have a number of M 99 12.7 mm sniper rifles which is used only in Chinese military.

As there are no known black markets in China, one can clearly see where the flow of such modern weapons originated from.

Theses are the clear evidences that China is trying to destabilize the Myanmar by supporting rebels.

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What does China get for doing so ?
 
Why Burma government forces also have a lot of Chinese weapons ?:-)
A sovereign state can buy weapons from any country.
But a sovereign state should not sell weapons to the rebels.
 
A sovereign state can buy weapons from any country.
But a sovereign state should not sell weapons to the rebels.
http://www.china.org.cn/china/Off_the_Wire/2017-02/08/content_40241355.htm
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China and Myanmar on Tuesday held anew round of diplomacy and defense consultations, and agreed tohave close communication on the situation in northern Myanmar andmaintain peace and stability in the border area between the twocountries.

The talks were co-chaired byChinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin and Deputy Chief of theJoint Staff Department of the Central Military Commission ShaoYuanming from the Chinese side, and Minister of State of ForeignAffairs U Kyaw Tin and Chief of the No.1 Special Operations Bureauof the Tatmadaw Tun Tun Naung from the Myanmar side.

According to a press release issuedby China's Foreign Ministry, China expects relevant parties inMyanmar to exercise restraint and realize a cease-fire in thenorthern Myanmar area as soon as possible, so as to keep peace andstability in the China-Myanmar border area.

The Myanmar side expressed the willto stabilize the situation in norther Myanmar and continue to pushforward domestic peace process. Myanmar also expressed gratitude toChina's help in this regard, and welcomed China to play its duerole in a constructive way.

Data showed that the conflicts inthe norther Myanmar region had impacts on border trade betweenMyanmar and China, as well as peace and stability.

Border trade between Myanmar'snorthern Shan state and China dropped over 210 million U.S. dollarsas of Nov. 25 in the 2016-2017 fiscal year due to militaryconflicts, according to the Myanmar Ministry of Commerce. Endi
 
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China and Myanmar on Tuesday held anew round of diplomacy and defense consultations, and agreed tohave close communication on the situation in northern Myanmar andmaintain peace and stability in the border area between the twocountries.

The talks were co-chaired byChinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin and Deputy Chief of theJoint Staff Department of the Central Military Commission ShaoYuanming from the Chinese side, and Minister of State of ForeignAffairs U Kyaw Tin and Chief of the No.1 Special Operations Bureauof the Tatmadaw Tun Tun Naung from the Myanmar side.

According to a press release issuedby China's Foreign Ministry, China expects relevant parties inMyanmar to exercise restraint and realize a cease-fire in thenorthern Myanmar area as soon as possible, so as to keep peace andstability in the China-Myanmar border area.

The Myanmar side expressed the willto stabilize the situation in norther Myanmar and continue to pushforward domestic peace process. Myanmar also expressed gratitude toChina's help in this regard, and welcomed China to play its duerole in a constructive way.

Data showed that the conflicts inthe norther Myanmar region had impacts on border trade betweenMyanmar and China, as well as peace and stability.

Border trade between Myanmar'snorthern Shan state and China dropped over 210 million U.S. dollarsas of Nov. 25 in the 2016-2017 fiscal year due to militaryconflicts, according to the Myanmar Ministry of Commerce. Endi
With Burma in Mind, China Quietly Supports Wa Rebels

BANGKOK — While Burma's military steps up battles against Kachin rebels along the border with China, security analysts say Beijing has been quietly selling advanced weapons to another insurgent group on its border, the United Wa State Army. The Wa are the largest militia in Burma and considered the biggest narcotics dealing organization in Southeast Asia.

Burma's military airstrikes and mortar attacks on Kachin rebels in recent weeks raised international concerns about the government's peace efforts. The heavy fighting in Burma's north is the worst since a 17-year cease-fire with the Kachin Independence Army broke down in 2011.

But while China calls for military restraint in Kachin state, security analysts say Beijing has been secretly arming another rebel group, the United Wa State Army.

In a December report, IHS Jane's Intelligence Review says China last year provided the Wa with advanced weapons to build up their defenses. The transfers included surface to air missiles and, for the first time, at least 12 armored vehicles the report refers to as "tank destroyers."

Thailand-based security analyst and author of the report, Anthony Davis, said Beijing is trying to balance historic camaraderie with the Wa and its relations with Burmese authorities.

"The Chinese cannot afford to ignore the ethnic forces along their border, nor at the same time can they afford to ignore the central government," Davis said. "Is that to say that China is directly supplying that equipment? No, it's not. Clearly the supplier of that equipment is known to senior elements in the government, but that is not to say that they are directly involved in financing. They need to maintain a degree of deniability here," he said.

China's Foreign Ministry declined to comment on the IHS Jane's Intelligence Review report.

The Wa are Burma's largest rebel group, estimated at up to 30,000 full and part-time fighters. Despite its professed policy of non-interference, military analysts say China has long been the largest supplier of weapons to the Wa, albeit unofficially.

The Wa were one of several ethnic militias that formed after the 1989 breakup of the Burmese Communist Party.

Beijing directly supported the communists and maintained relations with the newly formed rebel groups.

Yale University Ph. D. candidate Josh Gordon said China has been particularly close with the Wa, who speak Chinese. The Wa are more or less a proxy of China, said Gordon.

"You'll use Chinese money, Chinese cell phones, Chinese electricity for in large part, where there is electricity in the urban areas, and have connection to the Chinese Internet," he said.

Burma signed a cease-fire with the Wa in the 1990s and allowed them to govern their own territory in northeastern Shan state. They turned it into one of Asia's largest methamphetamine production bases and are considered the region's largest drug-dealing organization.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency in 2011 put most-wanted pictures of Wa leader Wei Hsueh Kang in Thailand's entertainment venues.

Despite the recent escalation in Chinese weapons transfers to the Wa, Davis said Beijing is not trying to destabilize the border area. Instead, China is sending a message to Burmese authorities not to even think about attempting in Wa territory what they are doing in Kachin state where local groups are fighting Burmese forces, he said.

"The Chinese are not stoking fires in Northern Burma. By reinforcing the Wa they are reinforcing a military deterrent. If you like, they are reinforcing peace and stability which has existed for the last 20 years in a manner that's been favorable to China."

During past decades of military rule and western sanctions, China held great sway over Burma and its natural resources. But since Burma's reform-minded President Thein Sein took office, and sanctions were suspended, China's influence is being thrown off balance.

Davis said the weapons tranfers to the Wa appear to be China responding to its political reversals.

Ye Htut, a spokesman for Burma's president, declined to comment on the report by IHS Jane's Intelligence Review.

"We don't have any information on that," he said. "But, every time the Chinese government assures us they will not interfere in our internal affairs. So we accept their assurance."

China this month sent a high-level military delegation to Burma to discuss border security issues and the fighting in Kachin state. The official New Light of Myanmar newspaper said the Chinese agreed not to interfere with Burma's internal problems.

http://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-support-for-wa-rebels-designed-to-counter-burma/1590718.html
 
There is no doubt about that the current Burmese govt is a fascist regime which is involved in massive human rights violation against Rohngiya and other people of Myanmar and they are fighting for their rights and if China is helping them, it is totally understandable and we appreciate that
 
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You are not allowed to troll and go off topic...It is strange you being OP are trying to derail the thread. I am replying on the topic and you are supposed to stay on that otherwise you will be reported and banned.
You started off topic. So called Bangalis (Rohingyas) is not my topic. You better get out.
 
China sold gunship to one of the rebel groups(I guess it was WA).it was all over the news then.
 
A sovereign state can buy weapons from any country.
But a sovereign state should not sell weapons to the rebels.


You are somewhat wrong if this is the truth than why would China sell equipment to Myanmar to make it become strong and weaken the rebels. Why is China allowing the sell of JF-17 to Myanmar. Rebels can get hand on weapons by stealing from Myanmar Army which is also using chinese weapons.
 
With Burma in Mind, China Quietly Supports Wa Rebels

BANGKOK — While Burma's military steps up battles against Kachin rebels along the border with China, security analysts say Beijing has been quietly selling advanced weapons to another insurgent group on its border, the United Wa State Army. The Wa are the largest militia in Burma and considered the biggest narcotics dealing organization in Southeast Asia.

Burma's military airstrikes and mortar attacks on Kachin rebels in recent weeks raised international concerns about the government's peace efforts. The heavy fighting in Burma's north is the worst since a 17-year cease-fire with the Kachin Independence Army broke down in 2011.

But while China calls for military restraint in Kachin state, security analysts say Beijing has been secretly arming another rebel group, the United Wa State Army.

In a December report, IHS Jane's Intelligence Review says China last year provided the Wa with advanced weapons to build up their defenses. The transfers included surface to air missiles and, for the first time, at least 12 armored vehicles the report refers to as "tank destroyers."

Thailand-based security analyst and author of the report, Anthony Davis, said Beijing is trying to balance historic camaraderie with the Wa and its relations with Burmese authorities.

"The Chinese cannot afford to ignore the ethnic forces along their border, nor at the same time can they afford to ignore the central government," Davis said. "Is that to say that China is directly supplying that equipment? No, it's not. Clearly the supplier of that equipment is known to senior elements in the government, but that is not to say that they are directly involved in financing. They need to maintain a degree of deniability here," he said.

China's Foreign Ministry declined to comment on the IHS Jane's Intelligence Review report.

The Wa are Burma's largest rebel group, estimated at up to 30,000 full and part-time fighters. Despite its professed policy of non-interference, military analysts say China has long been the largest supplier of weapons to the Wa, albeit unofficially.

The Wa were one of several ethnic militias that formed after the 1989 breakup of the Burmese Communist Party.

Beijing directly supported the communists and maintained relations with the newly formed rebel groups.

Yale University Ph. D. candidate Josh Gordon said China has been particularly close with the Wa, who speak Chinese. The Wa are more or less a proxy of China, said Gordon.

"You'll use Chinese money, Chinese cell phones, Chinese electricity for in large part, where there is electricity in the urban areas, and have connection to the Chinese Internet," he said.

Burma signed a cease-fire with the Wa in the 1990s and allowed them to govern their own territory in northeastern Shan state. They turned it into one of Asia's largest methamphetamine production bases and are considered the region's largest drug-dealing organization.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency in 2011 put most-wanted pictures of Wa leader Wei Hsueh Kang in Thailand's entertainment venues.

Despite the recent escalation in Chinese weapons transfers to the Wa, Davis said Beijing is not trying to destabilize the border area. Instead, China is sending a message to Burmese authorities not to even think about attempting in Wa territory what they are doing in Kachin state where local groups are fighting Burmese forces, he said.

"The Chinese are not stoking fires in Northern Burma. By reinforcing the Wa they are reinforcing a military deterrent. If you like, they are reinforcing peace and stability which has existed for the last 20 years in a manner that's been favorable to China."

During past decades of military rule and western sanctions, China held great sway over Burma and its natural resources. But since Burma's reform-minded President Thein Sein took office, and sanctions were suspended, China's influence is being thrown off balance.

Davis said the weapons tranfers to the Wa appear to be China responding to its political reversals.

Ye Htut, a spokesman for Burma's president, declined to comment on the report by IHS Jane's Intelligence Review.

"We don't have any information on that," he said. "But, every time the Chinese government assures us they will not interfere in our internal affairs. So we accept their assurance."

China this month sent a high-level military delegation to Burma to discuss border security issues and the fighting in Kachin state. The official New Light of Myanmar newspaper said the Chinese agreed not to interfere with Burma's internal problems.

http://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-support-for-wa-rebels-designed-to-counter-burma/1590718.html

Do you have another news that is not coming from VOA? Like your own country news with English Language? IF this news is true, then definitely your country newspaper will tell about this. So please give us another source. A more legitimate source. If you can't find the English version, it's okay. Just write the translation, so we can read it.

You must remember about the news about your military bombing inside Chinese Territory. If China has ulterior motive to Myanmar, they could use that moment to destroy your country by helping the rebel to take over Myanmar. But they didn't. Instead, the Chinese Government chose to believe in Myanmar Government and avoid the worst possible scenario that could happen to both countries.
 
Do you have another news that is not coming from VOA? Like your own country news with English Language? IF this news is true, then definitely your country newspaper will tell about this. So please give us another source. A more legitimate source. If you can't find the English version, it's okay. Just write the translation, so we can read it.

You must remember about the news about your military bombing inside Chinese Territory. If China has ulterior motive to Myanmar, they could use that moment to destroy your country by helping the rebel to take over Myanmar. But they didn't. Instead, the Chinese Government chose to believe in Myanmar Government and avoid the worst possible scenario that could happen to both countries.

Senior Chinese military strategist ‘leaked state secrets, helped rebels in Myanmar’

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
Senior PLA strategist held 'for leaking state secrets'


Major general accused of fraud but charge is a pretext for a political error, sources say


A senior PLA strategist will face a military court on fraud charges that sources say are a cover for the officer's alleged leak of state secrets to armed rebels in Myanmar.

Major General Huang Xing , the former head of the research guidance department at the Chinese Academy of Military Science, was detained for "serious disciplinary violations" earlier this year, a phrase often used by the Communist Party to refer to alleged corruption.

He was among the 14 generals the PLA Daily announced on Monday had been detained over the last two months for alleged graft or related crimes.

A source close to the academy said Huang's chief offence was violating military discipline by allegedly leaking state secrets to rebels in the Kokang region of northern Myanmar during fighting in the Southeast Asian nation in 2009.

The main rebel force in Kokang is the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army, who are ethnic Chinese and once formed part of Communist Party forces in the region.

"He [Huang] was arrested recently and charged with committing fraud," an academic source said, but gave no further details on the case.

Another source who claimed to be Huang's friend told the South China Morning Post that the major general was charged with "swindling one million yuan [HK$1.25 million]".

The details were not clear, but the friend suggested the allegation was a pretext to " take Huang down".

"One million yuan should not be a strong enough reason to charge a major general. Other generals facing corruption investigations have all allegedly received much more than that," the friend said.

"Huang's family handed in the one million yuan, but the authorities still went ahead and charged him. I suspect somebody is just waiting for an opportunity to bring him down."

The PLA Daily reported that Huang was investigated by military graft-busters in January over "serious disciplinary violations".

His case had been handed over to military judicial institutions, it added. The military newspaper did not mention Huang's alleged relationship with Kokang rebels.

The People's Liberation Army strictly forbids officials contacting foreign military personnel without prior approval. Myanmar's chief of military affairs security last month alleged that Kokang rebel forces had received training and advice from former Chinese soldiers during a recent upsurge in fighting.

He also hinted the rebels had received support from China. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing and the Kokang rebel leader denied the claim.

Professor Arthur Ding Shu-fan, a PLA expert at the Taipei-based Chinese Council of Advanced Policy Studies, said he was surprised to see Huang's name on the list of the 14 disgraced generals.

"Huang is quite famous for his research work on military strategies. As a military scholar, I didn't think he would be implicated in corruption because he wouldn't have had many opportunities to take bribes," he said.

Two retired senior colonels said Huang's detention was due to a combination of factors.

They said Huang's involvement with the Kokang rebels was a "political mistake" and an embarrassment to the PLA hierarchy. "The fact that this is not mentioned [in the PLA Daily report] suggests that the top leaders may feel embarrassed. Instead they picked a more convenient charge to punish him with," one of the retired officers said.



This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
Senior PLA strategist held 'for leaking state secrets'

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http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...st-leaked-state-secrets-helped-myanmar-rebels

Do you have another news that is not coming from VOA? Like your own country news with English Language? IF this news is true, then definitely your country newspaper will tell about this. So please give us another source. A more legitimate source. If you can't find the English version, it's okay. Just write the translation, so we can read it.

You must remember about the news about your military bombing inside Chinese Territory. If China has ulterior motive to Myanmar, they could use that moment to destroy your country by helping the rebel to take over Myanmar. But they didn't. Instead, the Chinese Government chose to believe in Myanmar Government and avoid the worst possible scenario that could happen to both countries.
Myanmar bombed rebels camp. But unfortunately rebels camp are inside the Chinese side. So unavoidably Myanmar bombed Chinese territory. Myanmar also pretend to believe that Chinese Government doesn't support rebels.
 

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