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China’s demographic picture is starting to look a lot like Japan’s, with new births in decline, a shrinking workforce and an ageing population, according to the latest official data.

While China’s headline growth accelerated to 6.9 per cent in 2017 from 6.7 per cent in 2016, its demographic statistics are less positive.

Despite the nationwide introduction of a two-child policy in 2015, the number of new births fell to 17.23 million last year, from 17.86 million in 2016, the National Bureau of Statistics said on Thursday. At the same time, the labour force – defined as those aged between 16 and 59 – shrank by more than 5 million last year.

Meanwhile the proportion of people aged over 65 has continued to rise. This age group accounted for 11.4 per cent of China’s total population at the end of last year, up from 10.8 per cent a year earlier, according to the statistics bureau data. That means China has 158.31 million people aged over 65 – more than the population of Russia.

Although the greying population is not as acute as Japan’s – where more than a quarter of people are aged over 65 and adult diapers now outsell baby diapers – researchers warn China may face similar challenges down the track to those Japan is grappling with.

Yi Fuxian, a demographer at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, said Beijing’s policy to allow couples to have a second child had failed, and it needed to encourage people to have children if it was to avoid become like Japan.

“I think China will totally abandon its family planning policy in 2018,” Yi said.

President Xi Jinping has been gradually relaxing China’s population controls since he came to power in 2012. The notorious one-child policy, which was introduced in 1979 to control population growth, was relaxed in late 2013, with couples allowed to have a second child if either parent was an only child. Two years later, the one-child policy ended and all couples were allowed to have two children.

But now, researchers say the ageing population, along with a shrinking labour pool, could drag down economic growth in the long run.

The government’s harsh population control measures have reduced the number of new births by an estimated 200 million in the past four decades, undermining the country’s growth potential, according to research led by Zhou Tianyong, deputy director of the Institute for International Strategic Studies at the Central Party School in Beijing.

“If no strong measure is taken to address [the loss of population] ... the cumulative damage stemming from a shrinking labour force on consumer demand, incomes and GDP output will only get bigger,” Zhou wrote in a journal article in the latest edition of Research on Financial and Economic Issues.

The effects of the changing demographics are already being seen. The government is under mounting pressure as provincial pension funds rapidly run out of money as the greying population puts a strain on the social security scheme. Close to half of China’s provincial pension funds are in deficit, as the burden shifts to the younger workforce to support the elderly, according to a report from the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences this month.

The problem is particularly severe in the northeastern provinces of Heilongjiang, Jilin and Liaoning, where the proportion of retirees has risen as the size of its labour force has declined as workers go elsewhere, the report said.

Affluent coastal areas such as Guangdong and cities like Beijing have more money to cover pensions because they tend to attract migrant workers, the academy found.

In his speech to the Communist Party congress in October, Xi said China would promote “the coordination of childbirth policies with other economic and social policies”, dropping the usual reference to “family planning”.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/econ...ng-down-same-path-japan-its-ageing-population
 
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Aging population is not the reason for Japan's decline in the first place. I think the main reasons are their unchangeable social structure and incapability in competition with China and S.Korea.

AI has emerged. Fewer population may not be a disaster.
 
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Aging population is not the reason for Japan's decline in the first place. I think the main reasons are their unchangeable social structure and incapability in competition with China and S.Korea.

AI has emerged. Fewer population may not be a disaster.

Agree!

I think Japan missed the internet revolution.

Their leadership seems unable to see far into the future and doesn't have any clear bold plan for it.

They missed calculate the rise of China, as well as not following trend in USA.
 
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I think current demographic analysis overlooked one most important factor in China's population study--the gaps of human capital (which is almost imposible to introduce into empirical study) between generations. Let's put the AI and automation technology aside and talk about labour factor only. The westners tend to think of China by their own experiences. Their country has been industrialized and developed for many decades, which means the human capital changes between generations is linear and smooth. By this logic aging population indicates the declining productivity, labour shortage, and higher financial burden, and that's why ppl think China's aging population may save the US from being No.2 in the future. However, the experience of the west can not be simply applied to China. In the past 40 years, China's ecomomy and education system changed so dramasticly that the human capital gaps between generations are unimaginable to the foreign minds. The productivity of my generation (late 1980s) is much larger than that of the aging generation (my parents) at their prime, and my sister's generation (late 1990s-2000s) is so much more creative and productive than mine as well. Today China's average productivity is only 1/5 to that of the US due to the remaining low-productive generation in the labour force. As you can see, the huge gaps between ages are so huge that when the low-productive generation phasing out from the labour force, the total productivity of China will rise on the contrary. Even with an aging population, the high-productive younger generation will still remain larger than the entire US population. So if I was an US planner, I won't put my money on the hope of "China getting old" situation and sit to wait the champion medal just fall on my head.
 
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Agree!

I think Japan missed the internet revolution.

Their leadership seems unable to see far into the future and doesn't have any clear bold plan for it.

They missed calculate the rise of China, as well as not following trend in USA.
To be fair I don't think Japan government has short sight. They had realized the internet revolution no late than Americans. The problem is, changes are not welcomed for Japanese. Japanese companies never fire workers and workers never change their job in whole lives. Japanese like doing one thing from top to the bottom and doing one thing generation by generation. That's their national character. The good side of it is they make good quality. The bad side is their society loses adaptation or has very slow response to the changes.
 
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Aging population is not the reason for Japan's decline in the first place. I think the main reasons are their unchangeable social structure and incapability in competition with China and S.Korea.

AI has emerged. Fewer population may not be a disaster.

If you study the figures, aging population is a huge factor in Japan's economic stagnation. The shrinking of labor force is wiping out the gains in productivity, and therefore the total economic output is almost stagnant. Their labor force is going to halve in coming decades.

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And the human being is not just a producer, but also a consumer. A shrinking population implies a shrinking consumer market, and that already has an effect on Japan's economy. Not just lesser aggregate demand but also deflation as a result. Japan after so many rounds of aggressive QE and fiscal stimulation is still under threat of deflation. Now they are stuck in a mire of debt. They even have problems raising the GST because they are afraid the fragile consumer market will tank.

And finally, it's not just about total numbers but population composition too. Today, the number of workers supporting each elderly person in Japan is 2.8. The number is projected to hit 1.3 by 2060. Yes, 1.3 workers supporting each elderly person. The tax burden on the younger worker will so unbearable that they will consider leaving Japan. It's already happening. I've heard of Japanese woman trying to stay in Singapore because they don't want to go back to Japan. They find it unfair that they are carrying the increasing tax burden of supporting the elderly when the elderly are the most cash-rich as they benefited from the most from the post-war economic boom. They are pretty sure they will receive lesser pensions than the taxes they paid when it's their turn to retire thanks to the debt and aging population, which can only get worse.
 
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Agree!

I think Japan missed the internet revolution.

Their leadership seems unable to see far into the future and doesn't have any clear bold plan for it.

They missed calculate the rise of China, as well as not following trend in USA.

China despite developing fast is still 15-20 years behind Japan in Quality of life and level of development. Japan has hit that spot where once you become fully developed as a country your growth slows down automatically. If you see economic growth of most developed countries around the world Germany, France, US, UK their growth is quite slow. When China becomes fully developed like Japan has their growth will slow down too.
 
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I think current demographic analysis overlooked one most important factor in China's population study--the gaps of human capital (which is almost imposible to introduce into empirical study) between generations. Let's put the AI and automation technology aside and talk about labour factor only. The westners tend to think of China by their own experiences. Their country has been industrialized and developed for many decades, which means the human capital changes between generations is linear and smooth. By this logic aging population indicates the declining productivity, labour shortage, and higher financial burden, and that's why ppl think China's aging population may save the US from being No.2 in the future. However, the experience of the west can not be simply applied to China. In the past 40 years, China's ecomomy and education system changed so dramasticly that the human capital gaps between generations are unimaginable to the foreign minds. The productivity of my generation (late 1980s) is much larger than that of the aging generation (my parents) at their prime, and my sister's generation (late 1990s-2000s) is so much more creative and productive than mine as well. Today China's average productivity is only 1/5 to that of the US due to the remaining low-productive generation in the labour force. As you can see, the huge gaps between ages are so huge that when the low-productive generation phasing out from the labour force, the total productivity of China will rise on the contrary. Even with an aging population, the high-productive younger generation will still remain larger than the entire US population. So if I was an US planner, I won't put my money on the hope of "China getting old" situation and sit to wait the champion medal just fall on my head.

China's population is far larger than the US so the aggregate economic output will most likely surpass the US, contrary to what the OP wishes for.

However the aging issue will eventually catch up when the shrinking of labor force approximate the growth in productivity. I think it's wise to abolish any form of child planning policy immediately.

To be fair I don't think Japan government has short sight. They had realized the internet revolution no late than Americans. The problem is, changes are not welcomed for Japanese. Japanese companies never fire workers and workers never change their job in whole lives. Japanese like doing one thing from top to the bottom and doing one thing generation by generation. That's their national character. The good side of it is they make good quality. The bad side is their society loses adaptation or has very slow response to the changes.

I agree. The Japanese corporate culture is very hierarchical where age and seniority is valued, not necessarily ability. They are perfectionist. They will try to perfect a product continuously but not come up with a whole new product.
 
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By 2050, will the world need more workers? Quite unlikely considering the AI and robot being applied widely. How will US provide jobs to the extra 42% labor by then?

However the aging issue will eventually catch up when the shrinking of labor force approximate the growth in productivity. I think it's wise to abolish any form of child planning policy immediately.
Child planning policy can work in both ways. It can reduce population and can increase population as well. Both are tough tasks. The CCP successfully fulfilled the former. It should fulfill the latter if necessary.
 
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Aging is definitely one of the most important factor of Japan demise, with a few others. Tokyo property plunge 70%.

Next time, the old in Beijing and Shanghai will start selling their apartment to pay for their cancer treatment. Then no young man is coming to take over.

And I expect a big dynamite.

Unlike Japan, China seems to be more trap inside asset bubble. Without this ponzi, the local government will bankrupt.
 
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By 2050, will the world need more workers? Quite unlikely considering the AI and robot being applied widely. How will US provide jobs to the extra 42% labor by then?

I don't believe AI and robots will be able to completely replace a human worker. Better farming technologies in the industrial age freed up farmers for other more productive jobs. The world is always changing.

Then there's the consumption side. Lesser population means lesser consumption, ceteris paribus. More consumption, more jobs. That's why the unemployment rate of a country is not related to a country's size. If the population drops, both the aggregate demand and supply drops; not just the supply.

http://finance.sina.com.cn/roll/2018-01-05/doc-ifyqiwuw6451282.shtml

Child planning policy can work in both ways. It can reduce population and can increase population as well. Both are tough tasks. The CCP successfully fulfilled the former. It should fulfill the latter if necessary.

Population reduction is easy as long as there's development. Even India is heading for a population reduction as her TFR is dipping below replacement levels for a developing country.

Population increase is much more difficult. Immigration is the easy way, but it's not a viable solution for China. Increasing the TFR to above 2.1 is very difficult. East Asian countries has tried many policies but all has failed.
 
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In the capitalistic production mode, if robot can replace worker, than peasant no longer deserve to be alive. The elites will cull every single peasants.
 
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I don't believe AI and robots will be able to completely replace a human worker. Better farming technologies in the industrial age freed up farmers for other more productive jobs. The world is always changing.

Then there's the consumption side. Lesser population means lesser consumption, ceteris paribus. More consumption, more jobs. That's why the unemployment rate of a country is not related to a country's size. If the population drops, both the aggregate demand and supply drops; not just the supply.
Don't underestimate AI. It can replace massive human workers. For instance, unmanned drive can make millions of taxi/truck drivers unemployed. And it will become reality in the near future. This is just a tip of the iceberg. Even for human workers, the rising productivity will make things worse. Growing demand caused by more population can never catch up with technology improvement.
Population reduction is easy as long as there's development. Even India is heading for a population reduction as her TFR is dipping below replacement levels for a developing country.

Population increase is much more difficult. Immigration is the easy way, but it's not a viable solution for China. Increasing the TFR to above 2.1 is very difficult. East Asian countries has tried many policies but all has failed.
I'm not saying I want fewer population. I believe China's government will find a way to solve the problem if it wants to. The CCP is really good at handling tough tasks.
 
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Growing demand caused by more population can never catch up with technology improvement.

That's what they said before the industrial revolution. Farmers are going to lose their jobs. As technology improves, people's demand will grow too. Eg; Smartphones, TVs etc.

在纯农业时代,80个人耕种才能喂饱100个人(包括生产者在内),进入工业时代后,农业技术产生飞跃,10人生产的粮食就可以喂饱100个人,按理说有70个人可以每天晒着太阳而永远不必干活了,但为什么这种事情从未发生过呢?因为,进入工业时代后,不论是年轻人,还是作为纯消费者的老人,所有人的消费标准都提高了,他们的消费组合中不仅仅是吃饭了,他们还需要消费工业品。

http://finance.sina.com.cn/roll/2018-01-05/doc-ifyqiwuw6451282.shtml

I'm not saying I want fewer population. I believe China's government will find a way to solve the problem if it wants to. The CCP is really good at handling tough tasks.

That's blind faith. The CPC isn't God who can raise the TFR to above 2.1 whenever they want.

In Singapore, there are so many policies from different agencies encouraging birthhood. From childcare to housing to parenthood leave to tax rebate to outright giving you cash etc. LKY even proposed to give a cash bonus of two years of the average Singaporean's salary.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/money-wont-solve-low-birth-rate-problem-mr-lee

Yet the TFR is still at an abysmal 1.2. Why? Because many women aren't even married. Married couples have an average of 2 children here. It's the unmarried women who are dragging the TFR down to 1.2. East Asians only desire to have children after we get married. Sweden has a high TFR for developed countries at 1.88, but 54 percent of children were born to an unmarried mother.

China has a similar problem; 剩女. Not even their parents who nag at them everyday at home can get them married. What can the CPC do to be more effective than their parents? Legislate a law that every woman must get married?
 
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