Is China bigger or the rest of East Asia and ASEAN combined together bigger?

[TaiShang]

Right bro, and so is Taiwan.
国共两党首度共同确认"两岸同属一个中国"_新闻中心_中国网

Talking about Taiwan, may I side-track a bit. Last year when I traveled to Taipei for summer holiday, I noticed the map they use differs to that of Beijing (i.e. the 9.6 million sqkm version), seems a lot bigger. Both Beijing and Taipei should standardize the map.

Largely because Taiwan claims Mongolia， however unrealistically. There is, I believe, greater chance to reclaim more of the lost-lands should the political division between the Mainland and Taibei is overcome and Greater China emerges as a unified force seated in Beijing, administered by the CCP.

 

[beijingwalker]

Interestingly, if you take Tibet and Xinjiang out (~1 million sq.miles), then China is about the same as ASEAN+EAsia.

Xingjiang ,Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Guangxi, Ningxia...those are all minority lands and if you take out all of them, China would be even smaller than Indonesia,lol..

 

[Shotgunner51]

Largely because Taiwan claims Mongolia， however unrealistically. There is, I believe, greater chance to reclaim more of the lost-lands should the political division between the Mainland and Taibei is overcome and Greater China emerges as a unified force seated in Beijing, administered by the CCP.

That's very true Taiwan bro, as said China's map has been constantly changing for the last few millennia, so this transient status quo is normal. Nowadays though realistically it should be Beijing to administer any coordinated action plans, I appreciate Taipei's persistence to uphold the 13 million sqkm post-WWII map, kudos!

 

[oproh]

Thanks for the info! Anyway China's map has always been changing for many millennia (see below), just need an agreed update between different parties for the current one.

Middle Kingdom for recent two to three millennia

202 BC

669 AD

1208 AD

1271 AD

1368 AD

1820 AD

This is a consequence of having a very long and rich history.

 

[Aepsilons]

Countries of Asia by Size Area (List)

China: 3,694,982 square miles (9,596,961 sq km)

Indonesia: 735,358 square miles (1,904,569 sq km)
Mongolia: 603,908 square miles (1,564,116 sq km)
Myanmar (Burma): 261,970 square miles (678,500 sq km)
Thailand: 198,456 square miles (514,000 sq km)
Japan: 145,883 square miles (377,835 sq km)
Malaysia: 127,317 square miles (329,750 sq km)
Vietnam: 127,220 square miles (329,560 sq km)
Philippines: 115,830 square miles (300,000 sq km)
Laos: 91,429 square miles (236,800 sq km)
Cambodia: 69,899 square miles (181,040 sq km)
North Korea: 46,540 square miles (120,538 sq km)
South Korea: 38,502 square miles (99,720 sq km)
Taiwan: 13,891 square miles (35,980 sq km)
Brunei: 2,228 square miles (5,770 sq km)
Singapore: 267 square miles (693 sq km)
Hong Kong: 421 square miles (1,092 sq km)

You're right. The rest of E.Asia and ASEAN combines only comes to about 2.5million miles^2 even including Mongolia. That's quite eye opening. Myanmar is the second largest ASEAN country and twice the size of Vietnam (never knew that) and the Koreas and Taiwan are tiny.

India: 1,269,219 square miles (3,287,263 sq km)
Kazakhstan: 1,049,155 square miles (2,717,300 sq km)

India is also tiny by comparison to China and not much bigger than Kazakhstan. Makes you think.

And the modern borders of the People's Republic of China is tiny, a fraction of the size of what was the Great Empire of Qing!

In fact the Son of Heaven, His Most Imperial Emperor, the Emperor of The Heavenly Great Empire of Qing ruled this:

the areas such as tibet and mongolia, among others, are listed a "dependents of china" and the whole thing(including dependents) is the "empire of china" of course this is also during the final days of the qing dynasty when it had lost control over even china proper and japan was already showing its militism for a decade or so

We started with this:

and for a while had this:

Land Mass of the Greater Japanese Empire:

7,400,000 km² (2,857,156 sq mi)

 

[beijingwalker]

Japan only occupied some land during WW2 but it didn't really rule those lands, those lands were still China's lands. those lands were just battle grounds for the two armies, not under Japanese jurisdiction .Korea was another case, it was under Japanese jurisdiction, US occupied Japan but didn't rule the country, so you can't say that there was a time that Japan ceased to exist.

 

[Shotgunner51]

and for a while had this:

Land Mass of the Greater Japanese Empire:

7,400,000 km² (2,857,156 sq mi)

Remember the other thread?

What If WWII Ended In A Different Way?

 

[Rechoice]

Zhuo Dynasty China.

 

[applesauce]

And the modern borders of the People's Republic of China is tiny, a fraction of the size of what was the Great Empire of Qing!

In fact the Son of Heaven, His Most Imperial Emperor, the Emperor of The Heavenly Great Empire of Qing ruled this: ...

Qing ruled the largest chinese empire with the exception of the yuan.

however you and i have very different ideas about the word "tiny"

We started with this:



and for a while had this:



Land Mass of the Greater Japanese Empire:

7,400,000 km² (2,857,156 sq mi)

in doing so, overextended, and exhausted itself causing the empire to fall within 4 years. also still smaller by land area than the modern PRC by over 2 million km², so if the PRC is tiny, japan at its greatest extent is what? minuscule? microscopic?

 

[Aepsilons]

Qing ruled the largest chinese empire with the exception of the yuan.

however you and i have very different ideas about the word "tiny"





in doing so, overextended, and exhausted itself causing the empire to fall within 4 years. also still smaller by land area than the modern PRC by over 2 million km², so if the PRC is tiny, japan at its greatest extent is what? minuscule? microscopic?

Technically the Japanese Empire's overseas expansion stage started in 1881 when we started a proxy state in Korea, then bore into a new level in 1894 when we conquored Taiwan. So administrative-wise we did maintain an overseas empire for 50 years.

in doing so, overextended, and exhausted itself causing the empire to fall within 4 years. also still smaller by land area than the modern PRC by over 2 million km², so if the PRC is tiny, japan at its greatest extent is what? minuscule? microscopic?

I'm not going to argue with you on the size comparison of the Japanese Empire and the Qing Empire; the Chinese were always more successful in Empire building and Empire Genesis than the Japanese. Admittingly, even we Japanese came from China (to some extent; the Yayoi migrants) -- and the fusion of Yayoi with the Jomon inhabitants.

What can I say, China is always the role model.

 

[hirobo2]

Technically the Japanese Empire's overseas expansion stage started in 1881 when we started a proxy state in Korea, then bore into a new level in 1894 when we conquored Taiwan. So administrative-wise we did maintain an overseas empire for 50 years.



I'm not going to argue with you on the size comparison of the Japanese Empire and the Qing Empire; the Chinese were always more successful in Empire building and Empire Genesis than the Japanese. Admittingly, even we Japanese came from China (to some extent; the Yayoi migrants) -- and the fusion of Yayoi with the Jomon inhabitants.

What can I say, China is always the role model.

No wiser words had been said. Why can't Japan and China just get along? They even use the same written language, and I don't mean hiragana/katakana, but the kanji stuff. I've always considered the Japanese to be a subset of the mainland Chinese ethnic group. On the other hand, I've always considered Koreans to be distinctly different than the Chinese ethnicity based mainly off the cultural dissimilarities...

 

[terranMarine]

No wiser words had been said. Why can't Japan and China just get along? They even use the same written language, and I don't mean hiragana/katakana, but the kanji stuff. I've always considered the Japanese to be a subset of the mainland Chinese ethnic group. On the other hand, I've always considered Koreans to be distinctly different than the Chinese ethnicity based mainly off the cultural dissimilarities...

Why China and Japan can't get along? Were you sleeping in the stone age and just woke up? I suppose many foreigners are totally clueless about the ancient relations between China,Japan and Korea to this very day. Many don't know that the modern Japanese (many of them) have Chinese blood since Chinese migrated to Japan and mixed with their locals since the Qin Dynasty. Chinese culture has influenced the Japanese immensely (food, writing system, clothing, architecture, garden, tea, buddhism, eating with chopsticks, weiqi, color carp breeding, art etc..) Okay the hentai,adult entertainment industry and anime have nothing to do with us (that's typical Japanese culture, jokes aside). The cultural influence on Korea is the same, many things originated from China including the writing style until the Koreans adopted their own.

We had good relations with Japan, but Japan had tried to invade Korea few times and with the help of China we kicked the Japanese back to their island. Plus Japanese started to get arrogant and saw their empire as an equal to the Chinese empire. So yeah there were ups and downs between Chinese/Koreans with the Japanese. You have to understand Japan geographically speaking has no resources, constantly plagued by earthquakes and tsunamis. So they wanted to get on the Mainland Korea. It was during the Meiji era the Japanese went to the West and copied its tech and started to industrialize. With their militarization the Japanese tried to conquer East, South East and South Asia during WW2. The Japanese committed crimes far worse than the Nazis in China and that's the main reason why many Chinese and Koreans included dislike the Japanese. Many books and youtube videos are available of what the Japanese did so you can do your own research.

 

[Aepsilons]

Why China and Japan can't get along? Were you sleeping in the stone age and just woke up? I suppose many foreigners are totally clueless about the ancient relations between China,Japan and Korea to this very day. Many don't know that the modern Japanese (many of them) have Chinese blood since Chinese migrated to Japan and mixed with their locals since the Qin Dynasty. Chinese culture has influenced the Japanese immensely (food, writing system, clothing, architecture, garden, tea, buddhism, eating with chopsticks, weiqi, color carp breeding, art etc..) Okay the hentai,adult entertainment industry and anime have nothing to do with us (that's typical Japanese culture, jokes aside). The cultural influence on Korea is the same, many things originated from China including the writing style until the Koreans adopted their own.

We had good relations with Japan, but Japan had tried to invade Korea few times and with the help of China we kicked the Japanese back to their island. Plus Japanese started to get arrogant and saw their empire as an equal to the Chinese empire. So yeah there were ups and downs between Chinese/Koreans with the Japanese. You have to understand Japan geographically speaking has no resources, constantly plagued by earthquakes and tsunamis. So they wanted to get on the Mainland Korea. It was during the Meiji era the Japanese went to the West and copied its tech and started to industrialize. With their militarization the Japanese tried to conquer East, South East and South Asia during WW2. The Japanese committed crimes far worse than the Nazis in China and that's the main reason why many Chinese and Koreans included dislike the Japanese. Many books and youtube videos are available of what the Japanese did so you can do your own research.

He he he are you a Japanophile, my dear and beloved pen pal?

We had good relations with Japan, but Japan had tried to invade Korea few times and with the help of China we kicked the Japanese back to their island. Plus Japanese started to get arrogant and saw their empire as an equal to the Chinese empire. So yeah there were ups and downs between Chinese/Koreans with the Japanese. You have to understand Japan geographically speaking has no resources, constantly plagued by earthquakes and tsunamis. So they wanted to get on the Mainland Korea.

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[Slave_to_the_waffle]

Land Mass of the Greater Japanese Empire:

7,400,000 km² (2,857,156 sq mi)

Vikings can into Empire too:

The land area of the Kalmar Union was as large as 3,000,000 square kilometres under the rule of Margaret I of Denmark.

Today's Norway:

 

[Aepsilons]

Vikings can into Empire too:

The land area of the union was as large as 3,000,000 square kilometres under the rule of Margaret I of Denmark.

ha ha ha ha, me likes island empire of dansks ..ja...bork!

but wer ist de sveden?