Is Baluchistan more strategically significant than Afghanistan?

[Parashuram1]

As a neutral on-looker, I would like to point out one thing that is happening from both Pakistani and Indian members in this thread and almost every. Please allow me to elaborate:

Indians present their evidences to Pakistanis in the form of news links from Indian media; rejected by Pakistanis as "Indian propaganda".

Pakistanis present their side of the story through Pakistani news links, again rejected by Indians as "Pakistani propaganda".

Pakistani members then began to show "neutral" links of former American officials' writings---rejected by Indians as a part of cold war flattery of American ally.

Indian members show similar neutral links to Pakistani members, who either call it a "Zionist conspiracy against Muslims" or "Americans bedding with their new allies".

Then suddenly someone brings in religion and the whole thread goes back to the age of prophet Mohammad and the whole saga starts all over again finally involving Turkey, Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, and somehow China at the end.

I mean, HOW LONG do you want to continue this cycle? That too in every forum?

Are you not going to accept one fact? Both of you don't agree with each other, so why not discuss this with non-Indian or non-Pakistani members? And please not take each others' 'allies' here.

 

[James007]

That'd be my pleasure . Anyway, I will stop entertaining your buffoonery.

sorry it will not come,i have a very big heart.i always keep spare parts with me.so thanx 4 increasing my blood level

 

[Bushy]

So back to sarcastic arguments which is very typical from indians. I guess the argument is as good as sealed.

Oh yes man, your argument is sealed, and mine bites the dust, because I provided a video proof that you were lying outright, and in your defense all you could say was you could read someone's expression. Wow!

Quite like you earlier thought that I was trying to read your mind... right?

Man, are you hilarious?!!

 

[SMC]

That's a big reason why I don't care about Indian opinions and encourage other Pakistanis to do the same.

 

[James007]

As a neutral on-looker, I would like to point out one thing that is happening from both Pakistani and Indian members in this thread and almost every. Please allow me to elaborate:

Indians present their evidences to Pakistanis in the form of news links from Indian media; rejected by Pakistanis as "Indian propaganda".

Pakistanis present their side of the story through Pakistani news links, again rejected by Indians as "Pakistani propaganda".

Pakistani members then began to show "neutral" links of former American officials' writings---rejected by Indians as a part of cold war flattery of American ally.

Indian members show similar neutral links to Pakistani members, who either call it a "Zionist conspiracy against Muslims" or "Americans bedding with their new allies".

Then suddenly someone brings in religion and the whole thread goes back to the age of prophet Mohammad and the whole saga starts all over again finally involving Turkey, Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, and somehow China at the end.

I mean, HOW LONG do you want to continue this cycle? That too in every forum?

Are you not going to accept one fact? Both of you don't agree with each other, so why not discuss this with non-Indian or non-Pakistani members? And please not take each others' 'allies' here.

this is truth ,but wat will happen to this website without discussion.it helps to know wat they think abt us

 

[SMC]

Oh yes man, your argument is sealed, and mine bites the dust, because I provided a video proof that you were lying outright, and in your defense all you could say was you could read someone's expression. Wow!

Quite like you earlier thought that I was trying to read your mind... right?

Man, are you hilarious?!!

Your video is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with what I said. As far as the video I am talking about is concerned, well if you're going to spin it into something it isn't that's not my problem. I know what I saw and if you're going to use sarcastic arguments to make it into something that isn't again, that will not counter my argument. His expression combined with what he said made it obvious. His silence for several seconds after what he was asked was a big giveaway. Like I said, you can't spin this one.

Anyhow, I couldn't care less what indians have to say about this so if you want to continue on this slippery road you're more than welcome to.

 

[Bushy]

Your video is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with what I said. As far as the video I am talking about is concerned, well if you're going to spin it into something it isn't that's not my problem. I know what I saw and if you're going to use sarcastic arguments to make it into something that isn't again, that will not counter my argument. His expression combined with what he said made it obvious. His silence for several seconds after what he was asked was a big giveaway. Like I said, you can't spin this one.

Anyhow, I couldn't care less what indians have to say about this so if you want to continue on this slippery road you're more than welcome to.

The video I provided contains exactly the same statements that you tried to twist. No other video in this world can be more relevant, if you believe there is any, provide it here, or quit your rhetoric about Indian support to BLA.

As a first step, try clicking on the video, don't be too scared.

 

[SMC]

The video I provided contains exactly the same statements that you tried to twist. No other video in this world can be more relevant, if you believe there is any, provide it here, or quit your rhetoric about Indian support to BLA.

As a first step, try clicking on the video, don't be too scared.

You're again trying to spin this one. The separtist leader I am talking about never denied Indian involvement in his interview and in fact made Indian support for him pretty obvious. He tried to deflect the thing and run away from it in fact. Now from the looks of it you're implying that the guy denies the charge in your video, which makes the whole video irrelevant.

Also, what about RAW personnel claiming to pump money into Balochistan? What purpose does that serve them?

 

[Bushy]

You're again trying to spin this one. The separtist leader I am talking about never denied Indian involvement in his interview and in fact made Indian support for him pretty obvious. He tried to deflect the thing and run away from it in fact. Now from the looks of it you're implying that the guy denies the charge in your video, which makes the whole video irrelevant.

Also, what about RAW personnel claiming to pump money into Balochistan? What purpose does that serve them?

First of all, I am opposing your position, so you shall not be trusting any word that I say or imply. Check the video first. And see for yourself. Bugti seems to be pausing a little too much before each answer. At first he says he is not getting any support from India's side. However, after the interviewer insists too much, he goes on to pause for a while, and says he will accept support from anyone, be it the RAW or the CIA or MOSSAD.

And in the beginning of your long list of posts, this is what you essentially said:

The indian involvement in Balochistan is more than proven. I have talked about this before. A Balochi separatist in an interview was asked if he was getting support from India, he paused for 5 seconds and then said we will take support from anyone. That is more than enough proof for indian support.

Someone (And you do not even know who, Balach Marri, or some other Marri) pauses for 5 seconds before an answer, and you immediately deduce it as an irrefutable proof that not only that guy is lying, even your assumptions are pin point accurate.

I am only trying to say that you should stop basing your arguments and allegations on your ability to read expressions.

About your last allegation of some RAW guy confessing to providing financial support to the BLA, can't say much until I see a trustworthy link.

 

[notsuperstitious]

For those that keep bleeting like sheep 'eveidence evidence' well evidence has already been provided



DAWN.COM | Pakistan | The RAW dossier

Thats complete total 100% lie, no such dossier was handed over at sharm al sheikh. you are letting your media and govt fool you as always.

Pak's latest flip flop: No Baloch dossier given to India

 

[SMC]

First of all, I am opposing your position, so you shall not be trusting any word that I say or imply. Check the video first. And see for yourself. Bugti seems to be pausing a little too much before each answer. At first he says he is not getting any support from India's side. However, after the interviewer insists too much, he goes on to pause for a while, and says he will accept support from anyone, be it the RAW or the CIA or MOSSAD.

The apples and oranges comparison continues. The pause here was different as he was NOT pausing before answering other questions (I remember this much clearly). Secondly, again, he never denied receiving support from India.

Someone (And you do not even know who, Balach Marri, or some other Marri) pauses for 5 seconds before an answer, and you immediately deduce it as an irrefutable proof that not only that guy is lying, even your assumptions are pin point accurate.

Simplistic argument. Indians have thrown this before. The pause by itself harmless, however when looked in the context it's significant. Because he was asked something before he paused, and it's not like he paused for 1 or 2 seconds.

I am only trying to say that you should stop basing your arguments and allegations on your ability to read expressions.

I never do that however this one was extremely obvious. He was asked about support from India, he paused and THEN said he will take support from anyone. And he did not look comfortable at all answering that question.

About your last allegation of some RAW guy confessing to providing financial support to the BLA, can't say much until I see a trustworthy link.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

The reason why India agreed to discuss Baluchistan: Rediff.com India News

What I am talking about can be searched by doing a Ctrl+F and searching for 'pumping'

 

[notsuperstitious]

Is it the secret given the foreign office of Pakistan.

Foreign Secretary and Foreign Minister of pak keeps on repeating the same mantra - We have the proof, we will share at the correct time.

Evidence jama karke Achar Bana Rahe hain Foreign office mein.

I think the pak govt's zombie mantra has taken complete hold of pakistan's mentality. they can't even be rational enough to ask their own govt, why they won't share their proof but only issue statements for domestic consumption?

Its like the water issue too, keep issuing insinuations to an ever willing gullible population, but never dare go to the independent arbitrar... why?

Seriously, pakistamis should realise what fools their rulers are making of them.

 

[notsuperstitious]

That is a new one... pause??? i mean pause is proof???

Is this supposed to be a serious discussion?

 

[SMC]

Not the pause by itself, but the whole thing put together. I know you indians like to spin things and look it in a narrow way. The important thing is what was asked before the pause, and what he said after the pause. Obviously you indians would like to look at everything he said individually and when you do that obviously it looks innocent, which is exactly what you're trying to do, however when put together it does mean something.

 

[SMC]

Also, what about RAW pumping money into Balochistan? Hmm, what could that possibly mean?