Is another false flag going to happen ?

[CardSharp]

Situation in India is grim , Indian and international media has been showing pictures and videos of the mess that has been created in CWG village.

Many top athletes have already pulled out and countries like UK , Scotland , NZ , Australia are waiting for the final OK but all of them have strict travel warnings.

Indian govt has 48 hours to respond if not then the games could go down the drain.

It would be a massive shame for India and they will look for someone to blame in anyway to calm their own people down and also the International community !

Would India stage a false flag attack and blame us for it or Kashmiri movement , by having done that they will score some points and justification of the recent murders of 100 kashmiris by they forces , and also the blame wont go as much on their inability to stage such an event but rather on the security situation.

With no offense to anyone , discuss seriously if something like that can happen in coming days?

Regards:

Ridiculous. If this is the government that can't organize a game well with 7 years, what chance does it have of organizing a false flag attack in 1 week?

I'm sorry but this reeks too much of the 9/11 loose change lunacy for my liking.

 

[SMC]

Lets say something wrong happens and we claim that ISI had a hand in it... furnish enough proof to the Pakistan govt.... Do you think that GoP will accept the blame or take responsibility?... No, right... So discussing something this hypothetical has no sense to it.

GoP doesn't need to accept it. It will do the job as far as Indian public is concerned and as far as parts of the western public is concerned.

 

[Kompromat]

If ISI is gonna be blamed (in the event that it does happen and is truly a false flag), then I don't think there's anything that can be done unless concrete counter evidence can be found or those who carry it out make a mess of it, effectively exposing themselves. Both are high unlikely.

True but we need to keep an eye on the changing situation.
There are Hindu terrorist organization who have threatened to harm aussie players , if they come in to operation it still would be blamed on us because everything in India works just fine !

 

[SMC]

Ridiculous. If this is the government that can't organize a game well with 7 years, what chance does it have of organizing a false flag attack in 1 week?

I'm sorry but this reeks too much of the 9/11 loose change lunacy for my liking.

That's an apples and oranges comparison. It wouldn't be the government organizing it. It would be far more professional people who probably have decades of experience with false flags and those who work with intelligence.

 

[StingRoy]

Thats not the topic.

I agree on the first part of my statement (against the topic).
But how about my question on the attack on Sri Lankan team? If you think that is off topic as well... then discussing something as vague as attacking our own venues does not hold ground in this discussion.

 

[Kompromat]

Ridiculous. If this is the government that can't organize a game well with 7 years, what chance does it have of organizing a false flag attack in 1 week?

I'm sorry but this reeks too much of the 9/11 loose change lunacy for my liking.

It doesn't have to be organized , few bullets fired on the CWG venue gate would be enough excuse to cancel the games for India. They would rather do that than taking the shame of inability of staging that kind of mega events.

I am just speculating as it could happen and why i am concerned is that they are going to Blame us again.

 

[SMC]

I agree on the first part of my statement (against the topic).
But how about my question on the attack on Sri Lankan team? If you think that is off topic as well... then discussing something as vague as attacking our own venues does not hold ground in this discussion.

It all depends on the gains/loss ratio of the false flag. A lot of gains can be made by carrying out one. If we're to imagine that Mumbai attacks were false flag for a second, then it did wonders for India as the gains/loss ratio was really good. I am not implying that since the gains/loss ratio was really good, that it must be a false flag. Just giving an example.

Attack on the Sri Lankan team however was in no way or shape in interests of GoP or ISI. 0 gains, tons of losses. If they planned to get some political mileage out of it, clearly they didn't attempt to get it.

 

[SMC]

It doesn't have to be organized , few bullets fired on the CWG venue gate would be enough excuse to cancel the games for India. They would rather do that than taking the shame of inability of staging that kind of mega events.

I am just speculating as it could happen and why i am concerned is that they are going to Blame us again.

It must be organized very carefully so that all things go to plan. They can't mess up when they're doing it and everyone must know exactly what they're doing. Everyone must be confident. Even firing a few bullets requires that to happen.

 

[StingRoy]

GoP doesn't need to accept it. It will do the job as far as Indian public is concerned and as far as parts of the western public is concerned.

Lets say it happens so and the Indian govt. proves that ISI was involved and goes to the western media about it... who is stopping you from refuting the claims and proving the otherwise? Are you afraid that you might lose out the argument in front of the western media about the credibility of the proofs that GoI gives?

If you are really scared of the repercussions then your govt should ensure that nothing of this nature happens which has any link to within Pakistan or can be traced back to organizations operating within Pakistan.

 

[CardSharp]

It doesn't have to be organized , few bullets fired on the CWG venue gate would be enough excuse to cancel the games for India. They would rather do that than taking the shame of inability of staging that kind of mega events.

I am just speculating as it could happen and why i am concerned is that they are going to Blame us again.

Something like that has already happened. Two Taiwanese journalists were shot and nothing was cancelled.

Don't worry, the thing will be sloppy but it will probably go off fine.

 

[saurabh]

It all depends on the gains/loss ratio of the false flag. A lot of gains can be made by carrying out one. If we're to imagine that Mumbai attacks were false flag for a second, then it did wonders for India as the gains/loss ratio was really good. I am not implying that since the gains/loss ratio was really good, that it must be a false flag. Just giving an example.

Attack on the Sri Lankan team however was in no way or shape in interests of GoP or ISI. 0 gains, tons of losses. If they planned to get some political mileage out of it, clearly they didn't attempt to get it.

Gains from false flag -- none. A face loss on security matters would be worse than on bad management of a game.

Losses -- Tourism, security, international attention to Kashmir, so on. But more importantly, the govts in New Delhi, both state and center would suffer heavily in next election. What do you think politicians would care more for? What Kiwis and Aussies think about them or how much Indian public dislike them?

 

[SMC]

Lets say it happens so and the Indian govt. proves that ISI was involved and goes to the western media about it... who is stopping you from refuting the claims and proving the otherwise? Are you afraid that you might lose out the argument in front of the western media about the credibility of the proofs that GoI gives?

If you are really scared of the repercussions then your govt should ensure that nothing of this nature happens which has any link to within Pakistan or can be traced back to organizations operating within Pakistan.

Well, it's not so simple. If they plan to carry out a false flag, then they will obviously have some plan to plant solid false evidence and implicate another party. So the other party can try all it want to stay away from it, but they will still get implicated.

 

[StingRoy]

Attack on the Sri Lankan team however was in no way or shape in interests of GoP or ISI. 0 gains, tons of losses.

I am yet to come across any event of such nature where the govt carries out attacks on its own soil against its own interests in order to push the blame on external agents.

Your comment on the loss/gain also holds true in case of GoI. What do you think India will gain staging an attack during the CWG especially when everyone in the world already knows how inept the organizing committee has been. The immediate result of such an attack will mean a cancellation of the games... which in turn results in multi-million $ losses to the govt... loss of money for global broadcasting rights... losing face infront of an international community in front of whom the govt has been trying to prove a point.

 

[SMC]

Gains from false flag -- none. A face loss on security matters would be worse than on bad management of a game.

Losses -- Tourism, security, international attention to Kashmir, so on. But more importantly, the govts in New Delhi, both state and center would suffer heavily in next election. What do you think politicians would care more for? What Kiwis and Aussies think about them or how much Indian public dislike them?

I highly doubt that it would be a big attack to begin with. Maybe a few people dead. That will do the job.

Tourism, security, attention on Kashmir didn't change after 26/11. Maybe a very temporary change at best. As far as government is concerned, the current government was re-elected by a landslide I believe, even after 26/11.

Again, it's what they consider gain/losses to be. Not us. Me and you will probably paint a simplistic gain/loss scenario. They're professionals so they'll work it through.

One thing is assured though, false flags are not some fiction or folklore. Look up Operation Northwoods if you don't believe me.

 

[SMC]

I am yet to come across any event of such nature where the govt carries out attacks on its own soil against its own interests in order to push the blame on external agents.

Operation Northwoods. It didn't actually take place, but was close. I believe Israel was involved in some, though I can't recall exactly which ones. Keep in mind that these things are highly secretive in nature and if carried out, will never be revealed to the public. The fact that we can find a few examples of them mean that they definitely do happen.

Your comment on the loss/gain also holds true in case of GoI. What do you think India will gain staging an attack during the CWG especially when everyone in the world already knows how inept the organizing committee has been. The immediate result of such an attack will mean a cancellation of the games... which in turn results in multi-million $ losses to the govt... loss of money for global broadcasting rights... losing face infront of an international community in front of whom the govt has been trying to prove a point.

Well I have described the possibilities in which it can happen. You're right, if the games turn out to be OK, I don't see it happened. But like I mentioned, in the event that games get cancelled because Delhi was unfit to host the event, or the games turn out to be a real farce, then it's possible. However, yet again, I must mentioned that based on my personal opinion, I doubt it will ever happen even if the games get cancelled or turn out to be a farce.