Iron Dome protects Aramco oil plant in Saudi Arabia?

[BHAN85]

I think not only Iron Dome but every Israel made weapons would be useful tested against Iranian made Houthis weapons.

By the other side I think it's dangerous if someday someone hack the system, attack Saudi Arabia and blames Israel. It's a great responsability if someday the system fails, by a hack, or by a real error.

 

[Shawnee]

What if each Iranian drone costs a few hundred bucks?

 

[The SC]

SkyHunter is the U.S. version of the IRON DOME system offered by RAYTHEON..

 

[Beny Karachun]

SkyHunter is the U.S. version of the IRON DOME system offered by RAYTHEON..

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SkyHunter are just Iron Dome missiles but manufactured in the US and not Israel, by Rafael USA division and Raytheon.

What if each Iranian drone costs a few hundred bucks?

Iranian drones don't cost just a few hundred bucks. Iranian drones used in the Aramco attack cost no less than an Iron Dome interceptor.

 

[Corruptistan]

Problem with Chinese laser system is there's only 4km range, which is well within drone munition range, and doesn't allow for enough reaction time against rockets (rockets/missiles travel at 700~ m/s so there's roughly 6 seconds to intercept each rocket, could be easily overwhelmed)

Have in mind that no air defense system of any type is without its faults or challenges on its own. What matters the most is to have a multilayered air defense.

Even with a success rate of 99%, 1% is enough to damage an important target which is why it makes it an inherently difficult task to fully defend a landmass (even more so if it is as huge as KSA) from missiles, drones etc.

You talked about the challenges of Israel (100 times smaller than KSA) in the Golan Heights.

Now compare that with KSA's almost 2000 km long border with Yemen (most of that border is highly mountainous with mountains taller than those found in the Golan which are otherwise some of the tallest in the Levant) and large cross-border settlements (actual cities and not just villages) and it makes it difficult to intercept every single drone/missile/munition.

This is the mountain terrain along much of the Saudi Arabia-Yemen border.

On patrol with Saudi border guards

As the conflict in Yemen rages, guards protecting Saudi Arabia's border are on high alert for attacks by Houthi rebels.

www.bbc.com

I think not only Iron Dome but every Israel made weapons would be useful tested against Iranian made Houthis weapons.

By the other side I think it's dangerous if someday someone hack the system, attack Saudi Arabia and blames Israel. It's a great responsability if someday the system fails, by a hack, or by a real error.

Almost all of the ballistic missiles in the Houthi arsenal originate from the Yemeni Army depots and Yemen prior to the start of the civil war in 2014, had one of the largest missile arsenals in the region dating back to the USSR. Iran transferred some drone and missile tech but a lot is also the work of Houthis/allied groups themselves. I mean even ISIS and other terrorist groups managed to make their own drones etc. You don't really need sophisticated drones when you can literally throw a stone across to Saudi Arabia from Northern Yemen given the terrain and air defenses will react to it.

If what you said would ever occur, nobody (KSA in this case) would be buying any Israeli weapons anymore. Remember that KSA uses air defense systems from many countries (including their own that they are developing) so they have plenty of alternatives. Buying Israeli battle-proven systems is only a plus for them, I guess. They have nothing to lose on it. if it has occurred or is going to occur, I think that it will never become official until/unless KSA and Israel develop official ties on paper. From recent official Saudi Arabian comments such a recognition can only occur if a two-state solution occurs. So there is that.

SkyHunter is the U.S. version of the IRON DOME system offered by RAYTHEON..

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Was this system offered to KSA officially?

 

[The SC]

Have in mind that no air defense system of any type is without its faults or challenges on its own. What matters the most is to have a multilayered air defense.

Even with a success rate of 99%, 1% is enough to damage an important target which is why it makes it an inherently difficult task to fully defend a landmass (even more so if it is as huge as KSA) from missiles, drones etc.

You talked about the challenges of Israel (100 times smaller than KSA) in the Golan Heights.

Now compare that with KSA's almost 2000 km long border with Yemen (most of that border is highly mountainous with mountains taller than those found in the Golan which are otherwise some of the tallest in the Levant) and large cross-border settlements (actual cities and not just villages) and it makes it difficult to intercept every single drone/missile/munition.

This is the mountain terrain along much of the Saudi Arabia-Yemen border.

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On patrol with Saudi border guards

As the conflict in Yemen rages, guards protecting Saudi Arabia's border are on high alert for attacks by Houthi rebels.

www.bbc.com

Almost all of the ballistic missiles in the Houthi arsenal originate from the Yemeni Army depots and Yemen prior to the start of the civil war in 2014, had one of the largest missile arsenals in the region dating back to the USSR. Iran transferred some drone and missile tech but a lot is also the work of Houthis/allied groups themselves. I mean even ISIS and other terrorist groups managed to make their own drones etc. You don't really need sophisticated drones when you can literally throw a stone across to Saudi Arabia from Northern Yemen given the terrain and air defenses will react to it.

If what you said would ever occur, nobody (KSA in this case) would be buying any Israeli weapons anymore. Remember that KSA uses air defense systems from many countries (including their own that they are developing) so they have plenty of alternatives. Buying Israeli battle-proven systems is only a plus for them, I guess. They have nothing to lose on it. if it has occurred or is going to occur, I think that it will never become official until/unless KSA and Israel develop official ties on paper. From recent official Saudi Arabian comments such a recognition can only occur if a two-state solution occurs. So there is that.



Was this system offered to KSA officially?

KSA might be making it actually since RAYTHEON is deeply involved in TOT with Saudi Arabia..

What if each Iranian drone costs a few hundred bucks?

Laser costs a few tens of dollars..

 

[Beny Karachun]

Have in mind that no air defense system of any type is without its faults or challenges on its own. What matters the most is to have a multilayered air defense.

Even with a success rate of 99%, 1% is enough to damage an important target which is why it makes it an inherently difficult task to fully defend a landmass (even more so if it is as huge as KSA) from missiles, drones etc.

You talked about the challenges of Israel (100 times smaller than KSA) in the Golan Heights.

Now compare that with KSA's almost 2000 km long border with Yemen (most of that border is highly mountainous with mountains taller than those found in the Golan which are otherwise some of the tallest in the Levant) and large cross-border settlements (actual cities and not just villages) and it makes it difficult to intercept every

Thing is, those drones in the Golan fly at very low altitudes above unpopulated areas, they're more annoying than threatening.

In case of Saudi Arabia it's different, they got to an oil plant and damaged it badly. That oil plant wasn't in a mountainous territory, it was attacked because the Saudis didn't have 360 degree radar coverage. Not only didn't they track those drones but they never detected them, whereas in Israel we know of every drone. Drones generally get shot down, either by missiles or by electronic warfare, the ones that don't are very small drones (hand launched type) and they fly very low in between the mountains.

But yes, I agree defending Saudi Arabia is harder because it's much larger but it has to.

 

[Hydration]

This news might be related to this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547227215846309888

They can only dream of adding Egypt
Its AD system is complicated and probably the most complex in the world and hasnt been breached
The MB asked to get a detailed study about all the locations ranges and classified info about the AD network but only got the already known locations of AD systems
It would be a massive win for israel to breach this network however egypt already cleaned its hands from this alliance in the last Negeb meet and a meet in oman with iranian officials

 

[BHAN85]

Have in mind that no air defense system of any type is without its faults or challenges on its own. What matters the most is to have a multilayered air defense.

Even with a success rate of 99%, 1% is enough to damage an important target which is why it makes it an inherently difficult task to fully defend a landmass (even more so if it is as huge as KSA) from missiles, drones etc.

You talked about the challenges of Israel (100 times smaller than KSA) in the Golan Heights.

Now compare that with KSA's almost 2000 km long border with Yemen (most of that border is highly mountainous with mountains taller than those found in the Golan which are otherwise some of the tallest in the Levant) and large cross-border settlements (actual cities and not just villages) and it makes it difficult to intercept every single drone/missile/munition.

This is the mountain terrain along much of the Saudi Arabia-Yemen border.

View attachment 861931

View attachment 861934

View attachment 861932

On patrol with Saudi border guards

As the conflict in Yemen rages, guards protecting Saudi Arabia's border are on high alert for attacks by Houthi rebels.

www.bbc.com

Almost all of the ballistic missiles in the Houthi arsenal originate from the Yemeni Army depots and Yemen prior to the start of the civil war in 2014, had one of the largest missile arsenals in the region dating back to the USSR. Iran transferred some drone and missile tech but a lot is also the work of Houthis/allied groups themselves. I mean even ISIS and other terrorist groups managed to make their own drones etc. You don't really need sophisticated drones when you can literally throw a stone across to Saudi Arabia from Northern Yemen given the terrain and air defenses will react to it.

If what you said would ever occur, nobody (KSA in this case) would be buying any Israeli weapons anymore. Remember that KSA uses air defense systems from many countries (including their own that they are developing) so they have plenty of alternatives. Buying Israeli battle-proven systems is only a plus for them, I guess. They have nothing to lose on it. if it has occurred or is going to occur, I think that it will never become official until/unless KSA and Israel develop official ties on paper. From recent official Saudi Arabian comments such a recognition can only occur if a two-state solution occurs. So there is that.



Was this system offered to KSA officially?

It's dangerous sell defense system to a country with several sacred places for 1.9 bn people.

If someday it fails, it will create a avalanche of hate against the culprit.

 

[Foinikas]

the question is why israel itself instead of Iron dome , use F-16 and F-35 to intercept Iranian made drones

For fun

 

[unrequitted_love_suzy]

I think the iranians are smart enough not to attack , places where israel protect , with their iron dome , david's sling shot etc. etc. and so forth
but the real question is are the yemeni houthi rebels , lebanese hezbollah etc. smart and obedient ? perhaps not
all they do is to ruin iran's hand in public on purpose.
~

 

[sha ah]

I thought that Iron Dome was primarily designed to shoot down rockets and artillery. Doesn't Israel posses other air defense systems for missiles and drones ?

Problem with Chinese laser system is there's only 4km range, which is well within drone munition range, and doesn't allow for enough reaction time against rockets (rockets/missiles travel at 700~ m/s so there's roughly 6 seconds to intercept each rocket, could be easily overwhelmed)

 

[unrequitted_love_suzy]

I thought that Iron Dome was primarily designed to shoot down rockets and artillery. Doesn't Israel posses other air defense systems for missiles and drones ?

bigger than the iron dome ,is the Arrow series and david's slingshot which are not popular with the US.

 

[Beny Karachun]

I thought that Iron Dome was primarily designed to shoot down rockets and artillery. Doesn't Israel posses other air defense systems for missiles and drones ?

Iron Dome is multi-purpose.

Israel does have other air defense systems like the David's Sling but it's an overkill, it'll probably be used just for big ballistic missiles and jets.

 

[Corruptistan]

It's dangerous sell defense system to a country with several sacred places for 1.9 bn people.

If someday it fails, it will create a avalanche of hate against the culprit.

This news is likely fake (or close to 99,99% fake).

No sane entity would attack Makkah or Madinah.

Thing is, those drones in the Golan fly at very low altitudes above unpopulated areas, they're more annoying than threatening.

In case of Saudi Arabia it's different, they got to an oil plant and damaged it badly. That oil plant wasn't in a mountainous territory, it was attacked because the Saudis didn't have 360 degree radar coverage. Not only didn't they track those drones but they never detected them, whereas in Israel we know of every drone. Drones generally get shot down, either by missiles or by electronic warfare, the ones that don't are very small drones (hand launched type) and they fly very low in between the mountains.

But yes, I agree defending Saudi Arabia is harder because it's much larger but it has to.

I don’t know the details of that drone attack. I honestly don’t think that the oil installations were properly peotected due to the large distance from Yemen. Remember that there is the huge Rub al-Khali desert. Very hard to detect tiny drones in such geography.

Anyway it is telling that we have seen no such attacks in 3 years now. That tells me that the Saudi Arabian Air Defense Forces have learned from their mistakes. That is what war and conflict usually do.