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Iron Dome may not be as effective as the IDF thinks

Officials painted a rosy picture of the missile defense system after the recent successful test, but a number of unaddressed issues may shoot down their optimism.

By Yossi Melman



Everything about the last test of the Iron Dome missile defense system, , created to intercept all manner of launched projectile within a 40 kilometer radius, came up smelling like roses.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the test was "an important milestone for the security system and the defense industries." Ministry director general Udi Shani promised "We will act to actively deploy the batteries in the field as soon as possible." Brig. Gen. Eitan Eshel, head of research and development in the defense ministry, praised the system's performance and Yossi Drucker, the administrative head of the weapons development authority, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.

n, one of the pillars of weapons projects in Israel. Still under the strong impression the test made on him, Rubin wrote: "This is a milestone in military technology. Whoever did not witness the clouds of destroyed grads in the skies has never seen such a soul-warming display in his life. During the test, a missile like a Qassam with a very short-range was fired and the Iron Dome missile was fired toward it. What happened was that the Iron Dome missile set out an extremely short time after the Qassam registered on the radar equipment, flew up, was bored and made a couple of rounds to pass the time, and when the Qassam arrived, the missile intercepted it like lightning and turned it into a wave of splinters. I have never seen anything like it in my life, and even the people from Rafael were amazed."

But, despite the admiration and praise which the Rafael engineers deserve for developing the system in record time, the truth is that the capabilities of the Iron Dome and the test results are more complicated than that.

Dr. Nathan Farber, a lecturer in aeronautics at the Technion, and a former rocket scientist for the military industry, is skeptical.

His estimates are based on a decade of experiments, and what he saw in a short, censored video the Rafael staff and the defense ministry supplied to television stations.

"Five rockets were fired (three grads and two Qassams ). That's not exactly a shower of grads. Of the five, two were expected to hit on target, and they were successfully intercepted. None of them was short-range. I checked the angle of fire a few times, and in no case were they lower than 45 degrees. That means that that only steeply routed rockets were intercepted. The matter of flat routes was not examined in this test. It will continue to be the weak point of the system whose capabilities will only be revealed unfortunately during a war."

Farber sounded the alarm on Iron Dome's weaknesses years ago. He believes Sderot should be defended with the Vulcan-Phalanx cannon, which are available and much cheaper.

"I never claimed the Iron Dome could not intercept rockets with high route angles," he said. "It definitely can intercept missiles at a range of 20 kilometers. The problem is that it has weaknesses, which they are attempting to conceal from the public."

The most prominent weakness is that the system has difficulty intercepting mortar shells and Qassams (flat route weapons ) whose range is 4.5 kilometers or less. These are the mortar shells and Qassams that have been launched at Sderot and the areas bordering Gaza for the better part of a decade, and the reason Iron Dome was reportedly developed in the first place.

The generals, with chiefs of staff Dan Halutz and Gabi Asheknazi and air force commanders in the lead, did not see defense of the home front as a critical element in their war plans. In their view, as defined by Uzi Rubin, "defense of the home front is not [the army's] problem, and doesn't have to be funded by the defense budget." And so they fought bitterly to defeat any effort to fund and develop a system of defense against short and mid-range missiles, in sharp contrast with their support for the Arrow (Hetz ) system against long-range Scud and Shahab missiles.

In the end the generals gave in, because of pressure from then-defense minister Amir Peretz and public opinion following the trauma of the massive firing of Katuyshas by Hezbollah in the Second Lebanon War, and the near-constant firing of Qassams on Sderot and the surrounding area. In other words, the army gave up its struggle for an active defense in Israeli military doctrine.

It wasn't a knockout, though. A rearguard war continues to be conducted. The air force founded and trained, with an obvious lack of enthusiasm, a special antiaircraft battalion to operate the Iron Dome. But there are only two such batteries to date, because the defense system is having difficulties funding additional equipment.

And so the defense ministry is counting on sales of the system to other countries. The French journal Intelligence Online says that Singapore paid for a large part of the development, and is planning on making purchases. American magazine Defense News reports that India is also interested. Defense Minister Ehud Barak also had to try to collect money from U.S. President Barack Obama, and received a promise of over $200 million for equipment.

For any reasonable home front defense in the north and south, there is a need for 200 batteries of defense systems at a cost of $500 million. There is no chance that the money will be found.

And there is another problem: the cost of an Iron Dome missile is $100,000, as Yossi Drucker himself admitted in an interview with American media. That is a very high price to take out a homemade missile that costs about $100. And beyond all else, Iron Dome, developed in order to defend Sderot and the areas around Gaza, still has difficulties defending them against short range Qassams.

Yet another problem: Despite the success of the tests, they are only experiments and don't reflect the uncertainties of a battlefield.

Here is a suggestion to Rafael, the army and the defense ministry: Remove all doubt that the system can intercept missiles under real conditions. Why not place the experimental Iron Domes in the Negev (and even change their positions from time to time, in order to confuse the enemy ).

This way it will be possible for the system and its operators to gather real experience. At Rafael they claim to have produced hundreds of missiles for tests. Use some of them for "real time" interceptions, not perfectly timed and pre-planned experiments.

It would also be a wise step before mass producing these interceptor missiles, which have not been tested under battlefield conditions. If they succeed, fantastic. If not, the state of Israel will save a lot of money. And aside from that, the accumulated experience can help improve the system.

Why tell fairy tales about the Iron Dome missile looping lazily in the air? Bring down Qassams without going in circles.

Link:

Yossi Melman / Iron Dome may not be as effective as the IDF thinks - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
 
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Noted military analyst Reuven Pedatzur calls Iron Dome claims as false and disingenuous.


Tel Aviv University professor and noted military analyst Reuven Pedatzur on Saturday strongly criticized a ballistic missile defense conference and exhibition held in Tel Aviv last week, calling the organizers’ and speakers’ claims that current defense systems can protect Israel from missile and rocket threats false and disingenuous.

Pedatzur’s harshest criticisms were reserved for the Arrow missile defense system, which, he said, does not present a defense against a possible nuclear strike from an Iranian ballistic missile. He said that since the system is not sure to work every time, and because a single atomic bomb can constitute an existential threat to Israel, the system is pointless.

He added that it didn’t matter if the system worked 99 percent of the time, and called its developers’ claims of such success rates “absurd and ridiculous.”

Pedatzur, who spent decades as an IAF fighter pilot, said “there are enough simple countermeasures that can be deployed to make the effectiveness of the Arrow basically zero.”

When asked why he thought such a conference would be held if the ineffectiveness of these programs is well known, Pedatzur replied that “for the aeronautics and defense industries, it’s a matter of money; and for politicians, supporting such projects allows them to tell the public that they’re doing something, they’re trying to find answers to the threats we face.”

Held under the slogan “The Best Defense Is an Active Defense,” last week’s two-day event outside Ben-Gurion Airport focused on international cooperation in facing the threat of ballistic missile attacks, and the belief that an advanced missile defense system that presents an “active defense” can serve as a powerful deterrent to enemy states with the means at their disposal.

Speakers, who included officials from Israeli arms manufacturers RAFAEL, Elisra, and the Israel Aerospace Industries, spoke about the importance of US-Israel cooperation on the issue of missile defense, as well as about the growing threat of Iranian and Syrian missile systems. They also talked about short- and long-range rockets in the hands of Hizbullah.

The long-time IAF fighter pilot reserved some of his criticism for anti-rocket systems like the Iron Dome and David’s Sling, saying they couldn’t handle the threat or hold up in a serious cost-benefit analysis.

“The Iron Dome is all a scam, he said. “The flight-time of a Kassam rocket to Sderot is 14 seconds, while the time the Iron Dome needs to identify a target and fire is something like 15 seconds. This means it can’t defend against anything fired from fewer than five kilometers; but it probably couldn’t defend against anything fired from 15 km., either.”

Added Pedatzur: “Considering the fact that each Iron Dome missile costs about $100,000 and each Kassam $5, all the Palestinians would need to do is build and launch a ton of rockets and hit our pocketbook.

The David’s Sling is even worse, he said. “Each one of its missiles costs $1 million, and Hizbullah has well over 40,000 rockets. This issue has no logic to it whatsoever.”

Pedatzur is planning his own conference for the end of May, to be held at the Netanya Academic college, and he says he hopes it will bring a more serious analysis and debate to the issue.

“They aren’t discussing it seriously or taking it seriously,” he said.

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'Iron Dome doesn?t answer threats' - The Jerusalem Post
 
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Iron Dome may not be as effective as the IDF thinks

Officials painted a rosy picture of the missile defense system after the recent successful test, but a number of unaddressed issues may shoot down their optimism.

By Yossi Melman



I guess ur article gives very clear picture about the Iron Domez capabilities...sometimes the engineerz/manufacturerz try to fool their own militaries to pass the equipment " under test"...they never show the dark side of their product...:woot:
but i guess this product looks good approach to the system development...Technically in real war scenario what i believe it will be able to shoot down 50% of the rockets successfully....hoping for more than that might not be right idea.
 
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^^even if it shoots down 50% in a real war scenario, it will have substantial effect ..
 
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50% accuracy for any type of air defense system is not bad.
 
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If war breaks out and Hizb Allah, Hamas or Syria/Iran fires over 1000 missiles and mortars Israel will have depleted their stock of Iron Dome or Arrow Missiles.

It is really stupid to spend between $50.000-$100.000 to take down a missile of a few $100.
 
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If war breaks out and Hizb Allah, Hamas or Syria/Iran fires over 1000 missiles and mortars Israel will have depleted their stock of Iron Dome or Arrow Missiles.

It is really stupid to spend between $50.000-$100.000 to take down a missile of a few $100.

The Hizb nor the occupied Palestinians would HAVE 1000 rockets to fire in a short battle. Neither the opportunity. The IAF would see to that.

As for the price, I think they'd rather measuring it against loss of life, not the cost of a crude home-made rocket.
 
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The Hizb nor the occupied Palestinians would HAVE 1000 rockets to fire in a short battle. Neither the opportunity. The IAF would see to that.

As for the price, I think they'd rather measuring it against loss of life, not the cost of a crude home-made rocket.

From July 13 to August 13 2006, the Israel Police reported 4,228 rocket impacts inside Israel from rockets fired by Hizballah.

During CAST LEAD Hamas fired between 700-800 missiles and mortars.
 
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Added Pedatzur: “Considering the fact that each Iron Dome missile costs about $100,000 and each Kassam $5, all the Palestinians would need to do is build and launch a ton of rockets and hit our pocketbook.
Tank costs 5 million $ anti tank missile costs 20 K, that does not mean that we should not build tanks.

The David’s Sling is even worse, he said. “Each one of its missiles costs $1 million, and Hizbullah has well over 40,000 rockets. This issue has no logic to it whatsoever.”
David's Sling is designed against ballistic missiles with range over 70 km. Hezbollah has only few dozens of such missiles.
 
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Tank costs 5 million $ anti tank missile costs 20 K, that does not mean that we should not build tanks.

David's Sling is designed against ballistic missiles with range over 70 km. Hezbollah has only few dozens of such missiles.

But a tank round does not cost $100.000. That is the big diffenrece between a tank and a missile system.
 
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