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[Mithridates]

TF-30 is not a good engine to reverse engineer. It’s high maintenance.

yeah service cost and maintenance time wise it's not that good but it's fuel consumption is the same as RD-33 (the version we have on our mig-29s) while it produces more thrust. also i guess we are familiar with it after 40 years of operating it.

 

[hussainb72]

yeah service cost and maintenance time wise it's not that good but it's fuel consumption is the same as RD-33 (the version we have on our mig-29s) while it produces more thrust. also i guess we are familiar with it after 40 years of operating it.

I think it's better to reverse engineer the RD-33. Iran should be able to improve the design and the fuel economy, as well as the thrust produced. Then it can be used for a medium sized fighter and upscale the engine design for a heavy aircraft. This means that Iran wont have to buy anything from anyone. They just need some time and research to develop their own fighter designs which I am sure there are a couple around, and the engines should be reverse engineered and improved. Iran already has experience when it comes to avionics, radars and optics, so they can use that in their projects.

 

[TheImmortal]

The SU-57 is powered by AL-41 an AL-31 derivative.

The interesting thing is J-10 is powered by AL-31 or Chinese version W-10. So if Iran can secure license/ToT production of W-10, it will be a gamechanger in the field of Iranian domestic fighter development as it will allow moderate and heavy fighters in the F-35 class to be built.

The 3 hurdles Iran needs to overcome to build a domestic fighter

1) Serialization of a powerful engine (AL-21 or AL-31 class)

2) Mass production of titanium and strong metal alloys

3) Improvement in aircraft subsystem, Radar, communication, EW/ECW, and targeting pod technology.

yeah service cost and maintenance time wise it's not that good but it's fuel consumption is the same as RD-33 (the version we have on our mig-29s) while it produces more thrust. also i guess we are familiar with it after 40 years of operating it.

RD-33 size:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbofan
Length: 166.50 in
Diameter: 40.94 in

TF-30
Length: 241.7 in.
Diameter: 48.9 in.

They aren’t same size engines.

 

[Mithridates]

The SU-57 is powered by AL-41 an AL-31 derivative.

The interesting thing is J-10 is powered by AL-31 or Chinese version W-10. So if Iran can secure license/ToT production of W-10, it will be a gamechanger in the field of Iranian domestic fighter development as it will allow moderate and heavy fighters in the F-35 class to be built.

The 3 hurdles Iran needs to overcome to build a domestic fighter

1) Serialization of a powerful engine (AL-21 or AL-31 class)

2) Mass production of titanium and strong metal alloys

3) Improvement in aircraft subsystem, Radar, communication, EW/ECW, and targeting pod technology.



RD-33 size:
Length: 166.50 in
Diameter: 40.94 in

TF-30
Length: 241.7 in.
Diameter: 48.9 in.

They aren’t same size engines.

I know they are not in same size, compare it with mirage 2000 engine. the snecma engine is also based on tf-30 TOT.

 

[TheImmortal]

I know they are not in same size, compare it with mirage 2000 engine. the snecma engine is also based on tf-30 TOT.

The issue is Iranian engineers lean towards Western engine architecture versus Eastern.

Unless Iran plans to buy US aircraft in the future it should abandon Western engine architecture and embrace Russian/Chinese engine architecture.

Unfortunately with the attempt to steal F-35 engine blueprints. It doesn’t seem like Iran is giving up its Western architecture influence. The Owj engine is a testament that Iran plans to continue down that path.

 

[Philosopher]

Over 70% of Aircraft Parts Made in Iran: Defense Minister
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran has gained the technical know-how to manufacture more than 70 percent of airplane and helicopter components inside the country, a lawmaker quoted Defense Minister Brigadier General Amir Hatami as saying.

In an address to the Parliament on Tuesday, General Hatami said Iran has attained self-sufficiency in producing many aircraft components, MP Abolfazl Abutorabi told Tasnim.

The defense minister said that local technicians are manufacturing more than 70 percent of the airplane and helicopter components inside the country, in such a way that Iran is not reliant on foreigners any more, the lawmaker added.

Although Iran was not a manufacturer of planes and choppers and despite the large variety of aircraft, the Islamic Republic has managed to manufacture the components for repair and overhaul of the aircraft, Abutorabi quoted the minister as saying.

The MP also noted that General Hatami gave an assurance that Iran is in perfect conditions in terms of defense capabilities and dismissed concerns about the defense industry.

Iranian military experts and technicians have in recent years made great headways in manufacturing a broad range of indigenous equipment, making the armed forces self-sufficient in the arms sphere.

Earlier this month, an Iranian Defense Ministry official unveiled plans for the mass production of homegrown helicopter Saba-248.

In February 2018, Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei called for efforts to maintain and boost Iran’s defense capabilities, hitting back at the enemies for disputing the country’s missile program.

“Without a moment of hesitation, the country must move to acquire whatever is necessary for defense, even if the whole world is opposed to it,” Ayatollah Khamenei said at the time.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...-aircraft-parts-made-in-iran-defense-minister

 

[Shawnee]

Three Kowsar planes delivered so far.

https://www.farsnews.ir/isfahan/news/13990405000145/سپاه-و-ارتش-بهترین-ترکیب-دفاعی-برای-کشور-در-آینده-رویدادهای-مبارکی

 

[Shams313]

Three Kowsar planes delivered so far.

https://www.farsnews.ir/isfahan/news/13990405000145/سپاه-و-ارتش-بهترین-ترکیب-دفاعی-برای-کشور-در-آینده-رویدادهای-مبارکی

wheres the camouflage??

 

[SubWater]

https://www.iribnews.ir/files/fa/news/1399/4/5/4999206_156.mp4

 

[Muhammed45]

 

[VEVAK]

The SU-57 is powered by AL-41 an AL-31 derivative.

The interesting thing is J-10 is powered by AL-31 or Chinese version W-10. So if Iran can secure license/ToT production of W-10, it will be a gamechanger in the field of Iranian domestic fighter development as it will allow moderate and heavy fighters in the F-35 class to be built.

The 3 hurdles Iran needs to overcome to build a domestic fighter

1) Serialization of a powerful engine (AL-21 or AL-31 class)

2) Mass production of titanium and strong metal alloys

3) Improvement in aircraft subsystem, Radar, communication, EW/ECW, and targeting pod technology.



RD-33 size:
Length: 166.50 in
Diameter: 40.94 in

TF-30
Length: 241.7 in.
Diameter: 48.9 in.

They aren’t same size engines.

Yup! I would just say resolving the metallurgy and composite alloy problem would be the most important issue because if you resolve that fabricating engines would be far less of a problem as for the subsystems that's gonna require time and years of upgrade and doesn't necessarily have to happen all at once.

 

[Mithridates]

wheres the camouflage??

they are for acrojet team.

 

[Xerxes22]

Looks absolutely gorgeous from these angles.

 

[TheImmortal]

they are for acrojet team.

Why does acrojet team need new planes?

Iranian airforce decision making is all over the place. They are the least competent Branch after Army. But as least Army has shown off Karrar and new MRAPs. Airforce is still parading around their achievement from 15 years ago.

 

[Xerxes22]

Are we even sure if this is for the acrojet team ? I mean this is sort of a big announcement. A domestically produced fighter jet, the first of its kind for Iran being handed over to the Air Force and it goes to the acrojet team ?