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[Arminkh]

What a load of baloney. Elon is used to seeing drones bomb countries and insurgents that can’t fight back.

How are drones going to defend your airspace when the enemy is jamming radio/gps signals? Or when the enemy shoots down your satellites? What happens when operator loses control of the drone? US lost connection to all its drone during the Al Assad air base attack. They were effectively blind.

If your dependent on something like drones to carry out your defense and counter attack you are screwed during war.

Manned pilots will be here for another 25-30 years at the minimum. So if Iran wants to sit around and build Shahed-129 and think that will do anything during a war with another formidable military then they will be in a major wake up call.

Would you believe 20 years ago if someone told you the days of combustion engine cars are numbered? Do you believe it now?

No country in the region could touch Al Assad with their airforce as they had to get through US jet fighters first. However Iran delivered 6 tons of high explosives to that site with precision comparable to manned bombers by pushing a few buttons and all US could do was to watch it unfold. Jet fighters were totally useless in that case.

Soon, enough intelligence can be fit in an AA missile that enables it to see and differentiate between actual target and chaff or decoys and offer more efficiency and kill rate than manned fighters same way Iran's missiles are now comparable or even better than manned bombers.

Elon is talking about "semi-autonomous" drones. Mission and kill decisions are made by a human but rest is carried out by the onboard AI. So loss of communication link will not be that important.

Fighter jets will not disappear overnight but in 10 years they will lose more than 50% of their missions to drones and high precision missiles. That's how disruptive technologies are. You don't see them coming unless you are imaginative enough.

I would argue that the technology is already here, however there no implementations as of yet (at least not public ones. US is probably sitting with a darpa/skunk work prototype as we speak).
From an AI and machine learning perspective it is completely possible to have an autonomous ucav fighter/intercepter system. Wether the systems can be jammed or not is absolutely a risk but can be minimized if the implementer is well versed in EW and/or has implemented the system to be completely autonomous.

Furthermore with implementation of quantum communication it will be impossible to jam, intercept or any way disturb the signals.

Manned fighters and interceptors will be obsolete in maximum 15 years and minimum 5 years (if a working prototype exists but not yet showcased). Manned bomber is obsolete!

Totally agree. See my reply to immortal above

 

[TheImmortal]

Would you believe 20 years ago if someone told you the days of combustion engine cars are numbered? Do you believe it now?

No country in the region could touch Al Assad with their airforce as they had to get through US jet fighters first. However Iran delivered 6 tons of high explosives to that site with precision comparable to manned bombers by pushing a few buttons and all US could do was to watch it unfold. Jet fighters were totally useless in that case.

Soon, enough intelligence can be fit in an AA missile that enables it to see and differentiate between actual target and chaff or decoys and offer more efficiency and kill rate than manned fighters same way Iran's missiles are now comparable or even better than manned bombers.

Elon is talking about "semi-autonomous" drones. Mission and kill decisions are made by a human but rest is carried out by the onboard AI. So loss of communication link will not be that important.

Fighter jets will not disappear overnight but in 10 years they will lose more than 50% of their missions to drones and high precision missiles. That's how disruptive technologies are. You don't see them coming unless you are imaginative enough.


Totally agree. See my reply to immortal above

More rubbish. Right now almost all drones are slow and human operated. Also for war time operations the enemy is constantly moving as well for CAS.

So for AI to get to the point that it can tell 10 specks on the ground to be an enemy and not people returning from a wedding? Or civilians fleeing a combat zone? Even now Saudi Arabia and Israel with human operated fighter jets kill thousands of civilians “by accident”.

So no we are not close to “fire and forget” drones that live off of AI.

 

[Arminkh]

More rubbish. Right now almost all drones are slow and human operated. Also for war time operations the enemy is constantly moving as well for CAS.

So for AI to get to the point that it can tell 10 specks on the ground to be an enemy and not people returning from a wedding? Or civilians fleeing a combat zone? Even now Saudi Arabia and Israel with human operated fighter jets kill thousands of civilians “by accident”.

So no we are not close to “fire and forget” drones that live off of AI.

Yes, extrapolation of technology trends is tough for most of people. That's why so many fortune 500 companies don't live more than a decade.

Just wait and see.

 

[sha ah]

Realistically the Eurofighter Typhoon and Mirage jets are also smaller jets. Obviously the technology they possess is decades more advanced than any F-5, however in terms of their size they're not large jets.

Was never more than tech demonstrator. Would need to be enlarged by 150-200% to be even worth it to build.

I mean even Military couldn’t agree on its role, one person said anti ship, one person said anti helicopter, one person said CAS, one person said air defense, one person said trainer.

Honestly the original premise was likely to take an F-5 size fighter jet (something Iran could produce with effort) and make it 5th gen worthy.

Problem is a F-5 size fighter jet is too small in today’s fighter jet world. Was decent in 1950/1960s as a cheap export fighter, but now the world has moved to medium and heavy class jet fighters for versatility.

 

[aryobarzan]

Came across this photo of F 35 assembly line..hope to see something of this caliber in Iran's future aircraft production line. As much as we Iranians dislike American political attitudes we must admit that they wrote the book in aviation..

 

[Raghfarm007]

Report on the ugrades in F14 radars:

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/...ربه-های-ایرانی-با-چشمان-تیزتر-می-بینند-تصاویر

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Iranian radar that makes F-14s real "AWACS"

In April 2010, the Iranian Air Force announced that new optimized radars had been installed on its F-14s.

After the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988) ended, the Iranian Air Force began carrying out several projects in the early 1990s to improve the operation of the radars of its combat aircraft.

These were mainly the APQ-109 radar of the F-4D fighters, the APQ-153 radar of the F-5E fighters, the APQ-120 radar of the F-4E fighters and the AWG-9 radar of the F-14 fighters. The aim of these optimization projects was above all to increase the detection range of airborne radars, to increase the area of interception, to increase the possibility of detecting objects flying at low altitude.

Over time, experts in Iran’s military industries have gained significant experience in this area. They have succeeded in recent years in designing and manufacturing active and passive ground-based radars or various types of airborne radars that have been delivered to the DCA or the Air Force of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The F-14s equipped with a new Iranian radar:

In April 2010, the Iranian Air Force officially announced that new optimized radars had been installed on its Iranian F-14s. These radars had an increased range compared to the original F-14 radar, that is to say the American AWG-9 system. In fact, after several years of work, Iranian experts had succeeded in increasing the range of the AWG-9 radar (initially 200 km).

According to senior commanders of the Iranian Air Force, Iranian radars have been installed in recent years on several F-14 radars, which are more modern and more efficient than the original radars of these planes.

Thus, some experts speak of the transformation of several F-14 of the Iranian Air Force into a real AWACS, given the increase in the range of radars, and the optimization of the detection and analysis of data.

The new radar of the hunter Kowsar:

In recent years, the Iranian Air Force has installed new radars on its F-5s and their Iranian version Kowsar. Images released in 2018 showed that new flat antennas were installed on the Kowsar fighters, which indicated that these planes had been equipped with new radars compared to the original radar system (APQ-153) of the F-5E fighters.

However, the Air Force has not released any details about the new Kowsar fighter radar system, its performance and capabilities. However, the images suggest that the system has been miniaturized, which suggests that components of the new radar system are taking advantage of the benefits of new technology.

 

[Raghfarm007]

Report on upgrads of the F4 radar:

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/...-اشباح-ایرانی-چشم-و-پنجه-عقاب-ها-تیزتر-می-شود

 

[Sineva]

I dont know if this models been posted before,but its a very nice piece of work whoever did it.

The twin tails were certainly a nice looking modification if nothing else.

 

[Hack-Hook]

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twine tail will be meanigful if we put stronger engine inside the airplane otherwise the increased drag will make problem for the airplane .

 

[Tarao]

Two years ago I saw this at a Scale model exhibition in Tokyo. This is high quality.
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[Shams313]

Two years ago I saw this at a Scale model exhibition in Tokyo. This is high quality.
[QUOTE = "Sineva、post：12151542、member：190049"]このモデルが以前に投稿されたかどうかはわかりませんが、それをやった人にとってはとても素晴らしい作品です。
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we got a japanese here...nice to meet ya.

 

[Sineva]

I dont know if this models been posted before,but its a very nice piece of work whoever did it.
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The twin tails were certainly a nice looking modification if nothing else.

It turns out that this is an actual 1/48 scale model kit.

https://www.super-hobby.com/products/HESA-Saeqeh-80.html

 

[Sineva]

Heres a nice pic taken from an unusual angle,and it does a pretty good job of showing off the size differences between the 2 machines as well.

And a similar one for the mig29 and f5,it really brings home the size differences between the 3 machines.

 

[TheImmortal]

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Heres a nice pic taken from an unusual angle,and it does a pretty good job of showing off the size differences between the 2 machines as well.
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And a similar one for the mig29 and f5,it really brings home the size differences between the 3 machines.

Yes, hopefully it brings users to reality who think the F-5 can do the same job as the F-14 in the field of interceptor and air defense.

Absurd.