OldTwilight
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 10, 2016
- Messages
- 3,118
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
and bomb a turkish bridge ...
IRIAF | News and Discussions
- Thread starter SOHEIL
- Start date
sanel1412
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Oct 27, 2017
- Messages
- 512
- Reaction score
- 0
- Country
- Location
Ć
It has new HUD...F-14 orginaly project data on windshield glass....
It has new HUD...F-14 orginaly project data on windshield glass....
Just to add..I'm not sure that image is IRIAF F-14A...helmets doesn't lools like one IRIAF pilots use....I dont see patchs so I cant say for sure but you may want check again...news portals and cannels often use other images as reference..in these case you will see tag "from archive" or "reference"..or something similar iit means image is only reference...if I remeber corectly there is already image of IRIAF f14 with HUD online...I remember we discussed about this once and I think there was image of F-14 with HUD
Last edited:
Fafnir
BANNED
- Joined
- Jul 7, 2016
- Messages
- 831
- Reaction score
- -3
- Country
- Location
Does anyone know how long iran has had the the at6/shturm atgm capable version of the mil17 for?,when were they delivered and what version of the at6/shturm does it use?.
skyshadow
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 12, 2017
- Messages
- 5,056
- Reaction score
- 3
- Country
- Location
داداش میگن در سال 2003 وارد شده ولی اطلاعات دقیقی درباره ورودش نیست چون این اولین باره که دیده شده مثل اینکه.
Iranian Mil-171 equipped with AT-6 missile .
.
بالگرد میل-171 مسلح به موشک AT-6
.
.
سالهاست که مساله وجود موشک 9k114 Shturm ملقب به 9M114 Kokon با نام ناتوی AT-6 Spiral در کشور و در منابع مختلف غیررسمی مطرح میشود.
تصویر اول، تنها تصویر از حضور این موشک ضدزره در کشور میباشد که تاکنون منتشر شده و تصویر دوم نیز مربوط به سایت هدفیابی همین موشک میباشد.
موشک AT-6 دارای دو مدل زمین پایه و هواپایه میباشد و همانند بسیاری از موشکهای ضدزره ازجمله خانواده تاو-توفان بصورت فرمان به خط دید هدایت میشود، یعنی اپراتور باید از طریق سایت اپتیک تا لحظه اصابت موشک به هدف، آن را تعقیب کند و مرکز پردازش با توجه به موقعیت هدف و موقعیت موشک در هر لحظه، فرامین اصلاح مسیر را به موشک ارسال میکند.
تفاوت اصلی این موشک با موشکی مثل مثلا تاو-توفان این هست که فرامین اصلاح مسیر بجای اینکه از طرق سیم به موشک ارسال شود، از طریق فرمانهای رادیویی ارسال و این فرمانها به آنتن گیرنده در انتهای موشک رسیده و اجرا میشود. ارسال فرامین بصورت رادیویی بجای استفاده از سیم باعث امکان افزایش برد تا 5 کیلومتر (در برخی مدلهای ارتقاء یافته تا 7 کیلومتر) در این موشک شده است ولی درمقابل ممکن هست آسیب پذیری دربرابر اخلالگرهای رادیویی را باعث شود.
یک ویژگی دیگر این موشک در نسخه زمین پایه میتواند مثمر ثمر باشد این است که که بجای پرواز در خط دید، پروفایل پروازی میتواند بصورت پرواز در بالای خط دید باشد یعنی اینکه موشک تا نزدیکی هدف در ارتفاعی بالاتر از خط دید حرکت میکند و وقتی که سنسور لیزری موشک هدف را احساس کرد، موشک کاهش ارتفاع به خط دید میدهد. این مساله با موضوع تاپ اتک یا حمله از بالا متفاوت هست و صرفا بمنظور جلوگیری از برخورد موشک از موانع احتمالی در مسیر حرکت بوده و قابلیت غیرفعال کردن نیز میباشد. قبلا گفته شده است که موشکهای تاپ اتک دو نوع میباشند یکی شیرجه از بالا روط هدف، دیگری انفجار در بالای هدف و موشک اشتورم متفاوت از این دو نوع هست.
درباره میزان واردات و عملیاتی بودن این موشک نمیتوان نظر قطعی داشت ولی با توجه به اینکه در این سالها تصاویری از این موشک در هیچ رزمایشی مشاهده نشده، احتمالا واردات بصورت کم تعداد و یا احتمالا آزمایشی بوده است.
تصویر دوم مربوط به سایت هدفگیری این موشک، منصوب بر روی بالگردهای MIL-171 میباشد. با دقت در تصویر اول، در زیر دماغه بالگرد جسمی دیده میشود که درواقع همین سایت هدفگیری میباشد.
Fafnir
BANNED
- Joined
- Jul 7, 2016
- Messages
- 831
- Reaction score
- -3
- Country
- Location
So not much information at all then,indeed it even sounds quite possible that it might not actually be in service at all or that just a single example or very small number were obtained for evaluation.
Its rather weird that they`re using the mil-17 as a platform for this weapon as its not really ideal,a far better choice would have been using this as a weapons upgrade for irans cobra attack helos to replace the old wire guided sub-sonic tow/toophan atgms.
Frankly I think that iran badly needs to replace its elderly cobra attack helos with some brand new aircraft like the mil-28 or ka-52 perhaps in combo with some multi purpose heavy weight attack/transport helos like the mil-35.
Blue In Green
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Nov 30, 2016
- Messages
- 2,359
- Reaction score
- 0
- Country
- Location
[QUOTE = "Fafnir, post: 10275447, member: 177539"] So not much information at all then, in fact it even sounds quite possible that it may not actually be in service at all or that just a single example or very small number were obtained for evaluation.
Its rather weird that they're using the mil-17 as a platform for this weapon as its not really ideal, much better option would have used it as a weapon upgrade for irans cobra attack helos to replace the old wire guided sub- sonic tow / toophan hell
Frankly I think that Ian badly needs to replace its elderly cobra attack helos with some brand new aircraft such as the mil-28 or ka-52 perhaps in a combo with some multi-purpose heavy weight attack / transport helos like the mil-35.
[/ QUOTE]
I will play devils advocate here and say that in all honesty Iran should have little to no stock in the Russians as far as weapons deals and deliveries go. Russia is way to concerned with it's own futile attempts at making good with the US and the rest of Europe to sully its efforts over reinforcing Iran's badly shaped air-force.
This is one of my biggest problems with the Russians from the get-go. Historically speaking, the Russians are Iranians / Persians enemies and not much has changed other then both have found themselves on the same side of the playing field and have to support one another. Russians help Iran begrudgingly, if worse came to worse I would not put my faith in the Russians I just will not. They are not friends.
But lets give them the benefit of the doubt, lets see when the weapons embargo is lifted will the Russians make good and will the Iranian take a chance and buy given all the past horrible experiences with weapon acquisition from Russia.
Its rather weird that they're using the mil-17 as a platform for this weapon as its not really ideal, much better option would have used it as a weapon upgrade for irans cobra attack helos to replace the old wire guided sub- sonic tow / toophan hell
Frankly I think that Ian badly needs to replace its elderly cobra attack helos with some brand new aircraft such as the mil-28 or ka-52 perhaps in a combo with some multi-purpose heavy weight attack / transport helos like the mil-35.
I will play devils advocate here and say that in all honesty Iran should have little to no stock in the Russians as far as weapons deals and deliveries go. Russia is way to concerned with it's own futile attempts at making good with the US and the rest of Europe to sully its efforts over reinforcing Iran's badly shaped air-force.
This is one of my biggest problems with the Russians from the get-go. Historically speaking, the Russians are Iranians / Persians enemies and not much has changed other then both have found themselves on the same side of the playing field and have to support one another. Russians help Iran begrudgingly, if worse came to worse I would not put my faith in the Russians I just will not. They are not friends.
But lets give them the benefit of the doubt, lets see when the weapons embargo is lifted will the Russians make good and will the Iranian take a chance and buy given all the past horrible experiences with weapon acquisition from Russia.
VEVAK
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Oct 24, 2013
- Messages
- 2,406
- Reaction score
- 1
Compared to the IRIAF the IRGC has far better leadership skills when it comes to R&D and domestic weapons development but IRGC top brass are not big fans of importing fighter jets
Iran needs at least 100-150 new interceptors/Air Superiority fighters to backup it's Air Defense and most of IRGC's top brass remain under the illusion that Air Defense systems alone are sufficient & against the U.S. we will lose those fighters anyways so instead they are focused mainly on Iran's response
Today an F-15 armed with SDB's can approach from low altitude and fire on over 16 ground targets from 100km away
That means in an initial strike 60 F-15's can take on close to 1000 targets with deadly precision & from outside the range of Iranian SAM's
But the problem with that way IRGC top brass thinks is that 1st they are assuming that the U.S. is the ONLY main threat facing Iran 2nd They are assuming that a regional leader deluded enough to attack Iran is actually a logical person and Iran's retaliatory response would actually deter such a person 3rd Asymmetric tactics will no longer work for Iran in 20 years when vast majority of Iran's population is over 50-60 years old.
AmirPatriot
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Dec 13, 2015
- Messages
- 4,156
- Reaction score
- 7
- Country
- Location
I don't think any IRGC and Artesh branch will ever merge in that sense since they are fundamentally different organisations that fight and act in completely different ways. The IRGC is in some ways an anti-coup force which means that by its very nature it must stay separate from the Artesh. This approach is woefully inefficient and I think it must be ditched if Iran ever wants to be a military force to be reckoned with. After all, even the Shah never needed a second force to guarantee his regime. Even after he left the Artesh was loyal enough to try out coups (like the Nojeh coup) to try and bring him back. Which just shows that the Artesh - properly managed - is loyal to the government once the government has consolidated its control.
Hack-Hook
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 11, 2012
- Messages
- 19,448
- Reaction score
- 3
- Country
- Location
well the demo was short but honestly quality wise , KSA and IRIB must go and learn from them how to build Animation
N_Al40
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Oct 9, 2017
- Messages
- 354
- Reaction score
- 0
- Country
- Location
drmeson
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2016
- Messages
- 2,002
- Reaction score
- 0
- Country
- Location
What are you talking about ? IRIAF fighting with 50 years old rebuilt F-5E/F and some 20-30 x tomcats ? that when enemy will be fielding dozens of squadrons of Rafale, Tyfoon, F-15SE and what not ... Merger of IRIAF with IRGC will at-least build confidence in Mullah circles that aerial wing is not gonna threaten their grip on Tehran. They would allow deals with China or Russia for TOT of 4.5 gen MRCA's that can at-least safeguard Iranian skies against regional foes. This merger means IRGC chief asking for funds for this sick organization directly which means a big deal.
10 x conventional BM carrying 500 kg strikes with 100 CEP can not achieve what you can achieve with a single sortie of of 4.5 generation MRCA on an attack mission. Same MRCA can come back and guard airspace.
Similar threads
