IRGC & Artesh Reportedly ordered to drop financial activities

[Stryker1982]

https://twitter.com/x/status/954718989992845312

Possible big news, can anyone confirm?

If true & implemented we could end up seeing big spaces opening up in the private sector for ordinary people to fill, to create a healthy competitive economy, rather than state run economy.

If we look at all successful and prosperous economies of the world, we see all of them are run by civilians, with little state control over resources and industries with the exception of military. People can create their own business and directly compete with each other without having to compete with Government organizations that will win 100% of the time. Their is little incentive to be competitive, and provide superior quality as government or IRGC owned businesses will always win. This will also defeat corruption. The private sector increases standards and quality in order to outshine their business rivals which is better for everyone. State run economies are always horribly crippled because theirs little room for new young entrepreneurs to start business and employ people.

The downside is that if this is true, revenues of IRGC and Artesh will come mostly from government now, which means the government will have to increase taxes and hunt after tax evasion to make the money they need to fund these organizations. But I think this is a must, most prosperous economies make their GDP from taxes and the growth of the private sector + incentives for growth and a business friendly environment help create more wealth for the government by reducing unemployment and more wealth for people by providing more jobs, and even higher wages.

 

[Kastor]

If it's true, it's about time....corruption is one of the biggest enemies we have.

 

[SALMAN F]

Good move

 

[Crystal-Clear]

good for iran . economic activities usually corrupts the elite of armed forces.

 

[mohsen]

Fake news.

 

[VEVAK]

Even if this was real news, I don't see how any normal Iranian with two bit of sense would consider this as good news!
It's funny how some Iranians don't have the slightest problem with foreign companies coming to Iran and investing but God forbid if the IRGC invest in it..... O MY GOD that is just unacceptable! Wonder why that is!

1st off Iran's Artesh has never been allowed to participate in Iran's economy for them to be ordered to stop which points to this news being fake! And if anything I wish the government would have allowed Artesh to participate as well!

2ndly Where in Iran's economic sector has IRGC participation prevented other Iranians from investing?? Fact is most individuals & companies in Iran don't have the financial capability to invest in most of the massive projects IRGC invests in today and banning them only helps foreign investors and maybe the list of the top 20 richest Iranians and NOT regular Iranians!

And IRGC companies are NOT the same as government owned companies and they operate far more efficiently than government owned and operated companies!


Best thing the government can do when it comes to the IRGC is to order that 60% of IRGC's net profits has to go towards new military weapons, tools, equipment acquisition & R&D.
Plus, put a minimum $ amount on the companies & contracts IRGC is allowed to invest in....
For example the IRGC can only invest in or open up companies or compete for government contracts that are worth $100 Million USD or more

Banning the IRGC from Iran's economy is a thoughtless & deluded idea!!!!!!!

 

[WordsMatter]

A bulls**t story to calm a restless population. Once a thief, always a thief.

 

[AmirPatriot]

A bulls**t story to calm a restless population. Once a thief, always a thief.

You're a bullshit story. Take a moment to actually read it, see who ordered it, how it was announced, what factions brought it about, and then share your infinite wisdom, instead of blinding us with idiocy.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

A bulls**t story to calm a restless population. Once a thief, always a thief.

Only talks by the elite (islamic communists). They continue to ruin the economy. No action taken=empty talks.

 

[WordsMatter]

You're a bullshit story. Take a moment to actually read it, see who ordered it, how it was announced, what factions brought it about, and then share your infinite wisdom, instead of blinding us with idiocy.

An old man who has given green light to the murder of innocent people has ordered it... So what?

 

[Aramagedon]

A bulls**t story to calm a restless population. Once a thief, always a thief.

Shutup disgusting Yankee terrorist.

 

[AmirPatriot]

An old man who has given green light to the murder of innocent people has ordered it... So what?

How very simple minded you are.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

khamenei murdered almost 30 protesters in streets, he's responsible as the head of country and security forces and he does not care because he's above the law. So it's still doubtful to trust this person and his words. Now it's wait and see.

The recent demonstrations were spread across the country and were different from middle-class Tehrani or student protests. The lower class took part, even in holy cities Qom and Mashhad and in some places religious symbols were attacked. This can be seen as calm before storm...

The regime now knows that their communist-islamist system is failing badly and is one of the factors that makes the Iranian nation angry, however they are in a really difficult situation. If they give up their failed communist-islamist economy (IRGC, Bonyads, State companies etc..) by privatisation and taxasion, it means they give up their political and social power.

Some Islamists are now saying people are angry because Rouhani is cutting the subsidies. While Rouhani was shoved down the throat of Iranian nation serving as the puppet of the islamic regime for the task of correcting difficult tasks which were the regimes own failures (economy, nuclear deal) and while Rouhani is saving khamenei and the whole regime by taking all the blame, still the same islamists are accusing him of the mess they themselves created.

What the islamists want is communist measures to keep the people, or at least their own supporters silent. These measures are handouts, subsidies, clerics and mosques who give meat to the people etc. However these fake measures create a harsh blowback because it will only save them temporary in tempering the people, but meanwhile the silent destruction of the economy continues from inside, like cancers which is not detected and suddenly comes above and kills the patient within a short period. Then more worser chaos will follow when the money basket for communist and islamic measures and propaganda becomes empty.

People here can search after my posts before the Iranian "elections"/selections. Before (s)elections in Iran I was writing why this failed regime and their puppet candidates don't concentrate on these huge problems, meanwhile islamist mods and their supporters here banned me and censored my posts (for spam). Now the whole system is FORCED to take SOME measures (which I mentioned those comments) to PREVENT the collapse of the REGIME.

They have 3 options now:
1. Continue with the corrupt communist-islamist system by letting irgc and bonyads go on with their activities>>> leads to collapse of whole system.

2. Enforcing the communist-islamist economy by returning old habits such as subsidies and stopping reforms by selecting some Raeesi like figure in the next presidental Selections. This will prolong the life of the regime a little bit, but the backlash and chaos will be harsh and will lead to the collapse of the system.

3. Reforms of communist-islamist system by cutting economical power of the state and those related to the state (irgc, bonyads, state companies). This will weaken the socio-cultural power of the state and will lead to further reform/change demands which will go beyond the question of economy. The question of political and social changes will arise.

Which option will the regime chose? please discuss.

 

[zartosht]

Even if this was real news, I don't see how any normal Iranian with two bit of sense would consider this as good news!
It's funny how some Iranians don't have the slightest problem with foreign companies coming to Iran and investing but God forbid if the IRGC invest in it..... O MY GOD that is just unacceptable! Wonder why that is!

1st off Iran's Artesh has never been allowed to participate in Iran's economy for them to be ordered to stop which points to this news being fake! And if anything I wish the government would have allowed Artesh to participate as well!

2ndly Where in Iran's economic sector has IRGC participation prevented other Iranians from investing?? Fact is most individuals & companies in Iran don't have the financial capability to invest in most of the massive projects IRGC invests in today and banning them only helps foreign investors and maybe the list of the top 20 richest Iranians and NOT regular Iranians!

And IRGC companies are NOT the same as government owned companies and they operate far more efficiently than government owned and operated companies!


Best thing the government can do when it comes to the IRGC is to order that 60% of IRGC's net profits has to go towards new military weapons, tools, equipment acquisition & R&D.
Plus, put a minimum $ amount on the companies & contracts IRGC is allowed to invest in....
For example the IRGC can only invest in or open up companies or compete for government contracts that are worth $100 Million USD or more

Banning the IRGC from Iran's economy is a thoughtless & deluded idea!!!!!!!

it hurts both the IRGC and the Iranian economy.

A military forces job should be MILITARY. their entire purpose, attention and focus should be that. That's the only way you can build an efficient fighting force. you cannot seriously tell me that having a massive side business empire that's controls a large chunk of the national GDP is not going to distracts them from their primary focus.

that's not going to encourage massive corruption and decay. its enevitable. its going to happen, especially in a system where corruption unfortunately exists at all levels/institutions of the government.

in addition to hurting their combat capabilities. Having an organization as rich and powerful as the IRGC involved in the civil sector is going to completely kill any private activity. Nobody can compete with a massively powerful government institution that gets an official budget 4xtimes the national army (while being 1/3 ~ the size) , and has enormous influence in the government, ability to win contracts etcetc...

the IRGCs business activities hurt themselves, and the Iranian economy. and creates an environment where a serious private sector cannot exist, and everything is controlled by the state and military.

 

[Stryker1982]

it hurts both the IRGC and the Iranian economy.

A military forces job should be MILITARY. their entire purpose, attention and focus should be that. That's the only way you can build an efficient fighting force. you cannot seriously tell me that having a massive side business empire that's controls a large chunk of the national GDP is not going to distracts them from their primary focus.

that's not going to encourage massive corruption and decay. its enevitable. its going to happen, especially in a system where corruption unfortunately exists at all levels/institutions of the government.

in addition to hurting their combat capabilities. Having an organization as rich and powerful as the IRGC involved in the civil sector is going to completely kill any private activity. Nobody can compete with a massively powerful government institution that gets an official budget 4xtimes the national army (while being 1/3 ~ the size) , and has enormous influence in the government, ability to win contracts etcetc...

the IRGCs business activities hurt themselves, and the Iranian economy. and creates an environment where a serious private sector cannot exist, and everything is controlled by the state and military.

Yup. This is very true. Everyone complains about this when I'm in Iran. Their is no serious private sector.


Can a group of 4 or 5 graduates in engineering from sharif university start their own business in the private sector and compete directly with sepah owned businesses?

No. They can't. That's why so many of them leave to the west where they get triple the wages. That's why so many of them from Sharif or Amir Kabir are in my university, because their is no opportunities in Iran. Everything is like the Soviet Union.

Sepah should stick to where it is best, military production & R&D with funding from the government.

Government should receive a large share of its income from taxes which come from EMPLOYED people. Employed people come from a private sector that always growing and flourishing. When the state controls the economy, everything stagnates and growth is not possible.