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Iraqi pro-PMU protesters storm US embassy in Baghdad

I think attacking and storming an embassy is a very cheap and below the belt kind of thing. Iranians have tendency to do such cheap attacks, they ve done it in past.

I think that destroying an entire nation based on lies and continually occupying a country is a much bigger problem. The Americans don't belong in Iraq and need to get out. That includes the diplomatic or the deep state branch of US. The US sets up spying headquarters in mostly Islamic nations to occupy them. This needs to end. The locals don't want the presence of US spies on their soil.
 
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Very sad to see the events unfolding in Najd of Middle East.
 
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If you don't think much has changed then you should go an re read history. Do you even know how many hundreds of millions of people died under the Mongols? While cities were massacred and heads displayed publicly to scare others into Submission and there was no real international outcry. In fact those living away from the areas of conflict didn't even know or heard or cared about such news much, it was normal since the world wasn't a globalised/modern world back then.
To give you an example of how things have changed. , If the world was the same like back in that period of time then there will be no North Korea under Kim rule today, neither will there be any Iranian regime as we know it today. Since they would have been removed and invaded and anybody who even mentioned anything favourable to them in the country willb slaughtered publicly without anybody giving a shit and no international outcry since there will be no media or social media or international organization or human rights groups , No UN per se. Etc So people outside the region/country won't even know what's really going there, neither will they even care much to be honest.
In short back then you could basically invade any country you wanted and kill and slaughter anybody you wanted as long as you had the power and capabilities to do so. Just look at how empires back then used to invade a conquer countries and did what they wanted. For example there is no way Britain can even invade/colonise rule another country today even if we wanted to or had the capabilities to do so. The national/local outcry alone will be enough to topple that government altogether. So you can't compare the ruthless jungle rule of the past to today's more organised and civil international system.
That's not to say there's is no strong bullying the weak nowadays. Just that it's nothing compared to back in the days.

I have read enough history to know about all those sort of events.

You have a point but that’s in a good world scenario where backlash would prevent lots of these things.

My belief is the objective to subjugate populations of other countries is done in a different way to get the same results. Example, US/UK say Saddam is a bad man and we need to go in and free people and spread democracy. You create a false story which everyone knew before the war, bombed the country to shit destroyed infrastructure install your own puppets to control local population. However instead of slicing heads off before you go in you ban medical equipment, medication and food resources to weaken the population and create death; a death worse than slicing heads off as you slowly kill them. Where was the outrage then? You have the Palestinian issue whole world knows what’s going on, and you have the Burma example right in front of you. You being on this forum exposes you to Indian terrorism in Kashmir (but none says as their objective is China and killing Muslims - western leadership mindset).

Social Media is showing us all this has backlash stopped any of this? No, so as I said colonizing and invading is done in a different pretext but the objective is the same.

Very sad to see the events unfolding in Najd of Middle East.

It’s the Arabs own doing — let them reap what they sow
 
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I think that destroying an entire nation based on lies and continually occupying a country is a much bigger problem. The Americans don't belong in Iraq and need to get out. That includes the diplomatic or the deep state branch of US. The US sets up spying headquarters in mostly Islamic nations to occupy them. This needs to end. The locals don't want the presence of US spies on their soil.

Not just that the embassy is the size of Vatican City with 16,000 personal. Who the **** needs an embassy that size and staff; so the motive is completely different here and it’s a colonial mindset they need to forcefully reduce this shit to size and remove all those staffs from the country.

When are you going to Kashmir?

My family have died fighting for Kashmir as part of Pak Army — but history shows the Kashmiri Valley Muslims never rose to fight for their freedom. They joined Abdullah Sheikh “Peace Brigade” which in turn joined Indian Army to fight against Pak Forces. They need to fight and show they mean it this time — I have spoke to many Pak Officers and their opinion is either the Kashmiri Valley stand up and take arms cause they aren’t going to waste resources like they did last 3 wars. Majority of officers are of the opinion only reason Kashmir’s making noise now because the Israeli style popgram in going to be implemented their and they’ll be left identity less, after revoking Article 370.
 
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My family have died fighting for Kashmir as part of Pak Army — but history shows the Kashmiri Valley Muslims never rose to fight for their freedom. They joined Abdullah Sheikh “Peace Brigade” which in turn joined Indian Army to fight against Pak Forces. They need to fight and show they mean it this time — I have spoke to many Pak Officers and their opinion is either the Kashmiri Valley stand up and take arms cause they aren’t going to waste resources like they did last 3 wars

Inshallah this time i will come with you and may our luck change. Amen
 
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ahaha....yes indeed. Totally agree. Well, i think the U.S/U.K and other western powers thought that things will be easier after getting encouragement from Iraqis shia's elements and seeing how unpopular Saddam was among Iraqis Shia's they obviously thought it will be easy to crush Saddam's Iraq's mainly sunni led forces and since Shia's being majority they would keep supporting U.S/Western powers even after Saddam's removal and thereby making U.S job of rebuilding and stabilizing the country more easier and favourable towards the West. However, the U.S/West got it wrong, since after they deposed and dissolved Saddam's baathist army/government and gave power to to the Shia's led forces who had supported/collaborated and fought alongside US/Western forces these same forces immediately played a double game and turned back against the same Western forces they had supported and collaborated with earlier and even leading to an internal civil sectarian war with their former Sunnis rulers/remnants of Saddams regime( they called it their own revenge i suppose). So yes the West got played here. lol What they call: ''Killing with a borrowed knife''. i.e Attack using the strength of another (in a situation where using one's own strength is not favourable). :D


Well, yes, but Iraq's case is different from Syria to be honest. In fact the U.S/U.K(our parliament rejected intervening to remove Assad, they learned from the Iraq fiasco) did well by not intervening to remove Assad(as bad as he might be just like Saddam) directly. Since i can remember there were many Sunnis rebels/elements in Syria and even the region calling/pleading with the west to intervene and remove Assad for them and claiming(rightly i confess) how Assad Shia led regime has been oppressing/killing them since the uprisings and even for decades. Fortunately enough we didn't fall for the bait this time. lol Since if we did intervene to remove him, i am 100% sure these same elements will have been the first ones to turn their weapons and attention against us immediately after we removed him. They too would have started fighting against each other for power and looking for vengeance against their former rulers/oppressors i.e Shias leading to another sectarian conflict like we saw in Iraq post Saddam thereby leading to the weakening and fracturing of the government and country even further. It's good we limited our involvement to targeted strikes against elements detrimental to our interests/security. That was the best way to deal with this. Let them fight and shed their own blood if they really want to be free from their own dictators/tyrants. :agree:
Actually the Shia say Saddam was brought to power by the west and the west supported him against Iran but after Kuwait invasion things turned upside down. When the Shia revolted in 1991 against Saddam the USA didn’t do anything and let Saddam crush them.
 
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Read that a company of marines have been dispatched to retake the embassy and rescue trapped personnel
 
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The Americans cannot do shit. They couldn't control Iraq when they had a large contingency. Flying a few marines won't make an iota of difference. It will be a bloodbath.
 
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America need to stop its obsession with Russia, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba. Start focusing all the attention on the Communist Chinese dictatorship that poses a threat to the free and Democratic world. Too many American politicians are corrupt. They take money from multinational corporations that are telling them to go easy on China. All these other countries pose no long term threat to the United States. Communist China must be aggressively confronted.
 
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