Iraqi army disrupts Hadi al Ameri`s conference

[Saddam Hussein]

It seems the divide between army and PMU on the higher command is becoming more visible. Although the army is working closley with US who knows what they do knowing American history in political interference through militaries they work with

https://twitter.com/x/status/1036704744562221058

 

[AmirPatriot]

This is a bad sign...

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

why did they do this?

imagine if PMU disrupted Sadr's press conference...

 

[Malik Alashter]

Someone wants to push the army which is nothing but useless piece of corrupted organization to go to war against the PMU which saved the country unity and sovereignty

I wish they capture all those generals in the army and put them in jail they become multimillionaires by making false soldiers who received salary but they not even exist!

 

[SubWater]

This is a bad sign...

I like Trump America policies, They play uncover and clear.
clearly they fail on politics so they did this thing.
I am agree with you this is very bad sign.

Someone wants to push the army which is nothing but useless piece of corrupted organization to go to war against the PMU which saved the country unity and sovereignty

I wish they capture all those generals in the army and put them in jail they become multimillionaires by making false soldiers who received salary but they not even exist!

I think PMU must be cautious. The plan is clear, they want to create civil war.
I wish best for all Iraqis, and I hope Iraqi army do not fall in American trap to create another war.

American blame Iran ti interference in Iraq but they don't look at themselves at what they are doing in Iraq.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Someone wants to push the army which is nothing but useless piece of corrupted organization to go to war against the PMU which saved the country unity and sovereignty

I wish they capture all those generals in the army and put them in jail they become multimillionaires by making false soldiers who received salary but they not even exist!

That ain't true either, the army led all operations after the 2015 Tikrit OP which was for 80% led by the PMU. The following OPS were led by: Baiji(ISOF), Ramadi(ISOF), Fallujah (ISOF & Federal police), Mosul (All factions except PMU), Kirkuk (Army).

After 2015 the PMU largely played support and holding force roles, the army lagged behind till 2017 and ISOF was leading every fight together with the federal police. PMU is needed but cannot replace the army.

 

[HannibalBarca]

PMU is a threat to future stability... You can't have multiple Kings in the same kingdom... YOu need one for stability...Whatever good or not...

Therefore such actions is a good sign... for stability... even though temporary instability will follow...

Iraq was into Power struggle for too long... Let one claim the victory and work from there... and let the Country get back on his feet...

 

[Malik Alashter]

That ain't true either, the army led all operations after the 2015 Tikrit OP which was for 80% led by the PMU. The following OPS were led by: Baiji(ISOF), Ramadi(ISOF), Fallujah (ISOF & Federal police), Mosul (All factions except PMU), Kirkuk (Army).

After 2015 the PMU largely played support and holding force roles, the army lagged behind till 2017 and ISOF was leading every fight together with the federal police. PMU is needed but cannot replace the army.

ISOF isn't the army Federal police belong to the Domestic ministry as you said these are the one beside the PMU are the one who done job your army nothing but a dager in back of our body they need to be brought to justice they're corrupted mainly baathist and this whole society is penetrated by Baathist and Takfiris

PMU is a threat to future stability... You can't have multiple Kings in the same kingdom... YOu need one for stability...Whatever good or not...

Therefore such actions is a good sign... for stability... even though temporary instability will follow...

Iraq was into Power struggle for too long... Let one claim the victory and work from there... and let the Country get back on his feet...

Without the PMU our country would be now three states and these states in war you just like someone cutting wood at dark night don't know where and what he hits

 

[HannibalBarca]

Without the PMU our country would be now three states and these states in war you just like someone cutting wood at dark night don't know where and what he hits

That's another story... It was a mobilization to counter a threat... Now that is over and the "STATE" organs are back on track... Such organization should be dissolved.
Their actions are going to make an enemy of themselves in the future...

Many among PMU should be giving the possibility to join "State" run organs as the Army/Police etc... And if they don't want to...Then they should go back to the life they had before it's creation.

Iraq is playing with Fire... Groups with Military grade equipment playing Cat and Mouse with the State and Politics are a dangerous move...That could push the country to an era even worse than ISIS and co...

Every Power in the Region will use such Opportunity for their own agenda whatever it's the US or Iran... and in the End...The one paying for the bill will be the same... Iraqis who just asked to live as anyone and in peace...

 

[Malik Alashter]

That's another story... It was a mobilization to counter a threat... Now that is over and the "STATE" organs are back on track... Such organization should be dissolved.
Their actions are going to make an enemy of themselves in the future...

Many among PMU should be giving the possibility to join "State" run organs as the Army/Police etc... And if they don't want to...Then they should go back to the life they had before it's creation.

Iraq is playing with Fire... Groups with Military grade equipment playing Cat and Mouse with the State and Politics are a dangerous move...That could push the country to an era even worse than ISIS and co...

Every Power in the Region will use such Opportunity for their own agenda whatever it's the US or Iran... and in the End...The one paying for the bill will be the same... Iraqis who just asked to live as anyone and in peace...

I told you you don't know what is going
We Iraqis don't trust the army this army was a mouse at the hands of baathist this army was a practice bag!
this army stands on its feet when the PMU come to existence you have no idea and this th last reply to you
it's just like when I advice Tunisians what they should do while im not from their neither no every thing about their situation

 

[HannibalBarca]

I told you you don't know what is going
We Iraqis don't trust the army this army was a mouse at the hands of baathist this army was a practice bag!
this army stands on its feet when the PMU come to existence you have no idea and this th last reply to you
it's just like when I advice Tunisians what they should do while im not from their neither no every thing about their situation

It wasn't an advice...But a simple opinion on the ME thread...
And you are free to ask/give an opinion on TN matters... That's what free speech is... As long at it's in the boundaries of respectful exchange...

My Opinion is that PMU was useful at a certain time of Iraqi history...Now it isn't... PMU is a threat for stability since it's prone to be used by X or Y side/Party/Power and have no legal limits imposed on her by anyone but what the "Influential Leader" choose... So whatever you or I say something on this matter, neither of us could change anything...

And The Army is not perfect... But letting it down for the sake of History or because a sexy lady appeared in Yellow doesn't make it right for the future of the NAtion... Iraq can't be protected or Legitimated by a Militia... Period.

And whatever you wish or not to answer is also your own choice... I will not care neither found it offensive.

 

[Falcon29]

@OutOfAmmo

What are the divisions over and why at this time? Does it relate to formation of new Sadr-Abadi parliamentary bloc?

 

[raptor22]

PMU is a threat to future stability... You can't have multiple Kings in the same kingdom... YOu need one for stability...Whatever good or not...

Therefore such actions is a good sign... for stability... even though temporary instability will follow...

Iraq was into Power struggle for too long... Let one claim the victory and work from there... and let the Country get back on his feet...

But it's now considered as part of Iraqi army, parliament did it back in 2016 ...

 

[HannibalBarca]

But it's now considered as part of Iraqi army, parliament did it back in 2016 ...

In theory... But on the ground nothing of such.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

@OutOfAmmo

What are the divisions over and why at this time? Does it relate to formation of new Sadr-Abadi parliamentary bloc?

I don't know what this army move was about, I doubt that we will see any major problems between army and PMU. PMU needs a transformation to cut the political strings and become a security force that focuses on defense rather than politics, this is slowly happening however there is resistance from certain people (Amiri etc.).

The army works closely with the US military which could plan things with the Iraqi army command to go against the PMU, hopefully that's not the case as seeing army going against PMU to overpower them is not something needed. It can be solved politically rather than by force, the army already wields more power than the PMU when it comes to firepower, finances, troop numbers and basically holds higher command over the PMU. However it wouldn't surprise me if America tries to plan anti-PMU moves with the Iraqi army as the difference between the two forces on is very large on a political level. Iraqi army command is unofficially allied to the US whereas the PMU is allied to Iran.

I believe the only reason this doesn't result in an all out war between the army and PMU is the fact that they're both Iraqis of all backgrounds, fighting for the same cause and same state. Otherwise there would be a massive problem. Abadi has lately been taking tougher stances and made statements against the former Maliki gov as well as against Iran.

The Iraqi political landscape is no longer defined by 'Sunni/Shia', it's pro-US and pro-Iran alliance camp. US seems to still have the upper hand in the country considering army and Sadr/Abadi alliance come out on top. Whilst Sadr is against the US it's unlikely he can just send them out as the Iraqi army is working with them closely and seems to have regained some level of independence from politics. (Recently some top generals voiced opposition to the government for its failure to govern). We'll see what happens I don't know either.