Iran's Revolutionary Guards Blame Saudi Arabia for Attack on Parliament, Khomeini Shrine

[Fafnir]

Spare me the sensationalism. My post is not about ideology. Every country has extremists and blaming Saudis will not solve this problem.

And neither will ignoring the direct root cause of much of the terror in the region and that is wahabism which the saudi state has spread around the islamic world like so much cancerous filth.

 

[Fledgingwings]

I heard the news that Attackers were from ISIS and all were iranis.Iran should gathet info and determine who is scratching their nose unseen exactly.its a big incident.

 

[Muhammed45]

Stop blaming Murica for your failures. I am not here in the thread to be taught how umreeka is the Satan and that from an Iranian who rat out others to the same umreeka about proliferation and cut deals for their nuclear enrichment plans.

This is used by idiots in this forum for thousands times.
We made that deal with whole the world while 90% of world nations were sanctioning us for non existent NUKEs. Even your country stopped the rice deal and in fact imposed sanctions on your own agriculture following USA's bullshits about Iran's intentions to develop NUKEs. All the world nations made 6 countries including USA, France, Russia, UK, Germany, China as their representatives to negotiate with us. Are you blind?

Answer my post why the Guard has seemingly other POV than the civilian setup?

Unfortunately KSA has fooled some Sunni guys who are a minority when we consider the majority of Sunnis. I am not accusing Sunnis of terrorism but KSA wants everyone of Sunnis to join ISIS and wahabi takfiris. In fact IRGC is pointing at the roots of the problem. Wahabi takfiris of ISIS are being led from Riadh.

As for Israel it existed since 1948 and not after 1988. Emotions don't value much on a defence forum.

I don't care that you have given up, i am not. Israel will be destroyed but the cancer of Al-Saud family and it's wahabi ideology is it's current shield which ensures Israel's existence.
I my personal POV, your quote about Israel belongs to cowards who denied the prophecies about prophet Muhammad's appearance.

 

[Fafnir]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] when will understand that iran can't make missiles she just have a bunch of scud missiles purchassed from libya they can produce scud missiles but can't make missiles on their own duhh

Well now you`re just trolling.
Libya did not even remotely have the industrial capacity to build scuds,it received its scuds directly from the soviets back in the 80s and it supplied a small number of these to iran during saddams war

 

[El Sidd]

And neither will ignoring the direct root cause of much of the terror in the region and that is wahabism which the saudi state has spread around the islamic world like so much cancerous filth.

For a common Muslim both sound alike so trust me common Muslims and vast majority of Pakistani people understand that all too well.

Spread the agenda internally and don't infest us this cancer if you are sincere.

Fight it out but not use Pakistanis as fodder for your proxies.

This is used by idiots in this forum for thousands times.
We made that deal with whole the world while 90% of world nations were sanctioning us for non existent NUKEs. Even your country stopped the rice deal and in fact imposed sanctions on your own agriculture following USA's bullshits about Iran's intentions to develop NUKEs. All the world nations made 6 countries including USA, France, Russia, UK, Germany, China as their representatives to negotiate with us. Are you blind?

Unfortunately KSA has fooled some Sunni guys who are a minority when we consider the majority of Sunnis. I am not accusing Sunnis of terrorism but KSA wants everyone of Sunnis to join ISIS and wahabi takfiris. In fact IRGC is pointing at the roots of the problem. Wahabi takfiris of ISIS are being led from Riadh.

I don't care that you have given up, i am not. Israel will be destroyed but the cancer of Al-Saud family and it's wahabi ideology is it's current shield which ensures Israel's existence.
I my personal POV, your quote about Israel belongs to cowards who denied the prophecies about prophet Muhammad's appearance.

Don't mix religion with state politics. I care less if anyone blinded Sunnis or Shias with their propaganda.

Pakistan and Pakistanis see the middle east conflict as a strategic one. Religious zealots make it out to be sectarian which is naive.

And your explanation for the nuclear deal is exactly how the world works. Through diplomacy and not through proxy wars.

 

[Muhammed45]

Don't mix religion with state politics. I care less if anyone blinded Sunnis or Shias with their propaganda.

Our prophet PBUH , in holy Madina , established an Islamic government and declared an state which follows the pure ideology of Islam. Acts based on Quran and starts conflicts with Harbi Kuffar. That's the real face of Islam which brings politics at it's own service. Islamic reublic is not banana republic, acts wisely and based on Quran.
Takfiris are the same Khawarij of ancient times who should be destroyed. Actually KSA started this sectarian conflict killing Shias and Sunnis trying to force them to accept their illegal caliphate. They started it in Syria and Iraq but we will finish it not anyone else.
With the help of Sunnis and Shias we will destroy Israel soon Inshallah. That's the defenition of politics in Islam.

Pakistan and Pakistanis see the middle east conflict as a strategic one. Religious zealots make it out to be sectarian which is naive.

Pakistan has an other job, in the east

And your explanation for the nuclear deal is exactly how the world works. Through diplomacy and not through proxy wars.

World forced us to negotiate with so called supa powa USA and other 5 countries. Diplomacy is the second alternative to me

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You may hate Iranians only because you think all Iranians are Shia... But never forget that the writers of all sahih sunni hadith collections (Kutub al sittah )were of Iranian origin. Arabic grammar rules were made by Iranians. And all founders of sunni schools of fiqh but one (Maliki) were Iranian.

I honestly don't know where you guys are taught this kind of false history?

3 of the 4 founders of the current Sunni schools of fiqh were Arabs originally from Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_ibn_Anas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shafi‘i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Hanbal

The fourth, Abu Hanifa, was born in modern-day Iraq (Arab land and ruled by Arabs), spoke Arabic as his mother tongue, was Arabized, had an Arabic name and studied under Arabs. Besides his ancestry is not known with certainty but his paternal lineage is believed to have been from Afghanistan originally. Not Iran.

The hadith collections already existed and were completed and recorded by Arab scholars. They were only collected into larger works by those individuals that you have mentioned who again were Arabized, wrote in Arabic and were from Afghanistan and not Iran.

Arabic grammar? Are you joking? Arabic grammar was already well-defined long before Islam emerged and Semitic languages which Arabic is a key part of, have the oldest fixed grammar of all languages in the world and alphabets.

As for this news. What a surprise.

Domestic Iranian militants, just like those that have killed 50.000 Iranians since 1979 (MKO and various separatists belonging to various ethnic groups) are just doing what they are doing on a monthly basis. KSA must be an incredibly powerful country since it is behind every single attack in the world! Quite amazing in fact.

 

[Fafnir]

For a common Muslim both sound alike so trust me common Muslims and vast majority of Pakistani people understand that all too well.

Spread the agenda internally and don't infest us this cancer if you are sincere.

Fight it out but not use Pakistanis as fodder for your proxies.



Don't mix religion with state politics. I care less if anyone blinded Sunnis or Shias with their propaganda.

Pakistan and Pakistanis see the middle east conflict as a strategic one. Religious zealots make it out to be sectarian which is naive.

And your explanation for the nuclear deal is exactly how the world works. Through diplomacy and not through proxy wars.

I`m really sorry to have to break this to you but pakistan has been infected with the cancer of wahabism for a good few decades now thanks to all those saudi madrassahs that they oh so generously supplied to your country and many others,boy talk about poisoned gifts.Also I dont know where you and so many pakistanis get this paranoid delusion from about iran trying to "use" pakistan,I mean its painfully obvious that pakistan is clearly already a saudi and us proxy and sadly seems to be fairly happy with that horrible fate,or at least the pakistan government does,but at least in your personal favor you obviously seem to have the brains not to buy into the saudis bullsh!t "sectarian" narrative unlike many of your fellow countrymen,because this fight isnt between sunni or shia or even between iran and saudi its between wahabist and non-wahabist.
As for the nuclear deal the diplomacy only came about because of the failure of the economic proxy war waged by the west and its bootlicks,including pakistan I might add,to achieve an iranian surrender.Sadly tho proxy war does seem to have its place in the world of realpolitik[especially the western one sadly].

 

[El Sidd]

Our prophet PBUH , in holy Madina , established an Islamic government and declared an state which follows the pure ideology of Islam. Acts based on Quran and starts conflicts with Harbi Kuffar. That's the real face of Islam which brings politics at it's own service. Islamic reublic is not banana republic, acts wisely and based on Quran.
Takfiris are the same Khawarij of ancient times who should be destroyed. Actually KSA started this sectarian conflict killing Shias and Sunnis trying to force them to accept their illegal caliphate. They started it in Syria and Iraq but we will finish it not anyone else.
With the help of Sunnis and Shias we will destroy Israel soon Inshallah. That's the defenition of politics in Islam.

Pakistan has an other job, in the east

World forced us to negotiate with so called supa powa USA and other 5 countries. Diplomacy is the second alternative to me

I am not going to answer the propaganda nor prolong the hate.

Diplomacy is always the only choice peace has got.

Warmongering will only lead to conflict and if that is what Iran is going for Pakistan has no intention to take part in it.

Both Iran and Saudi Arabia can fight it out and Pakistan will happily deal with the winner and provide comfort for the loser.

We do not force the decision and will respect others. We only offer voice of the sane and reason in this matter.

 

[mangekyo]

I honestly don't know where you guys are taught this kind of false history?

3 of the 4 founders of the current Sunni schools of fiqh were Arabs originally from Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_ibn_Anas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shafi‘i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Hanbal

The fourth, Abu Hanifa, was born in modern-day Iraq (Arab land and ruled by Arabs), spoke Arabic as his mother tongue, was Arabized, had an Arabic name and studied under Arabs. Besides his ancestry is not known with certainty but his paternal lineage is believed to have been from Afghanistan originally. Not Iran.

The hadith collections already existed and were completed and recorded by Arab scholars. They were only collected into larger works by those individuals that you have mentioned who again were Arabized, wrote in Arabic and were from Afghanistan and not Iran.

Arabic grammar? Are you joking? Arabic grammar was already well-defined long before Islam emerged and Semitic languages which Arabic is a key part of, have the oldest fixed grammar of all languages in the world and alphabets.

As for this news. What a surprise.

Domestic Iranian militants, just like those that have killed 50.000 Iranians since 1979 (MKO and various separatists belonging to various ethnic groups) are just doing what they are doing on a monthly basis. KSA must be an incredibly powerful country since it is behind every single attack in the world! Quite amazing in fact.

Ibn Khaldun:

It is a remarkable fact that, with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars both in the religious and in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs [ajams/Persians]. Even if a scholar is of Arab origin, he is Persian in language and upbringing and has Persian teachers […]

[…] the founders of grammar were Sibawayh [Persian from Shiraz] and, after him, al-Farsi and az-Zajjaj. All of them were of ajam (Persian) descent. They were brought up in the Arabic language and acquired the knowledge of it through their upbringing and through contact with Arabs. They invented the rules of (grammar) and made (grammar) into a discipline (in its own right) for later (generations to use).


Most of the hadith scholars who preserved traditions for the Muslims also were ajams (Persians), or Persian in language and upbringing, because the discipline was widely cultivated in the ‘Iraq and the regions beyond. (Furthermore,) all the scholars who worked in the science of the principles of jurisprudence were ajams (Persians), as is well known. The same applies to speculative theologians and to most Qur’an commentators. Only the ajams (Persians) engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus, the truth of the following statement by the Prophet [in Sahih Muslim] becomes apparent: “If scholarship hung suspended at the highest parts of heaven, the Persians would (reach it and) take it.”

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Ibn Khaldun:

It is a remarkable fact that, with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars both in the religious and in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs [ajams/Persians]. Even if a scholar is of Arab origin, he is Persian in language and upbringing and has Persian teachers […]

[…] the founders of grammar were Sibawayh [Persian from Shiraz] and, after him, al-Farsi and az-Zajjaj. All of them were of ajam (Persian) descent. They were brought up in the Arabic language and acquired the knowledge of it through their upbringing and through contact with Arabs. They invented the rules of (grammar) and made (grammar) into a discipline (in its own right) for later (generations to use).


Most of the hadith scholars who preserved traditions for the Muslims also were ajams (Persians), or Persian in language and upbringing, because the discipline was widely cultivated in the ‘Iraq and the regions beyond. (Furthermore,) all the scholars who worked in the science of the principles of jurisprudence were ajams (Persians), as is well known. The same applies to speculative theologians and to most Qur’an commentators. Only the ajams (Persians) engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus, the truth of the following statement by the Prophet [in Sahih Muslim] becomes apparent: “If scholarship hung suspended at the highest parts of heaven, the Persians would (reach it and) take it.”

Expect for the fact that most scientists, most well-known scholars, poets etc. during the Islamic Golden Age (which occurred in Arab lands and under Arab dynasts) and throughout Islamic history have been Arabs.

Which my initial post already confirmed. Arab scholars have almost completely dominated Sunni fiqh and even more when it comes to the Shia fiqh let alone Ibadism and Sufism. All originated in our lands.

 

[El Sidd]

I`m really sorry to have to break this to you but pakistan has been infected with the cancer of wahabism for a good few decades now thanks to all those saudi madrassahs that they oh so generously supplied to your country and many others,boy talk about poisoned gifts.Also I dont know where you and so many pakistanis get this paranoid delusion from about iran trying to "use" pakistan,I mean its painfully obvious that pakistan is clearly already a saudi and us proxy and sadly seems to be fairly happy with that horrible fate,or at least the pakistan government does,but at least in your personal favor you obviously seem to have the brains not to buy into the saudis bullsh!t "sectarian" narrative unlike many of your fellow countrymen,because this fight isnt between sunni or shia or even between iran and saudi its between wahabist and non-wahabist.
As for the nuclear deal the diplomacy only came about because of the failure of the economic proxy war waged by the west and its bootlicks,including pakistan I might add,to achieve an iranian surrender.Sadly tho proxy war does seem to have its place in the world of realpolitik[especially the western one sadly].

Yes Pakistan faced radicalisation and still does but never has Pakistan blamed Saudis or the Iranians for that.

We dealt with it as our internal matter and so should you both.

Any problems with that?

 

[mangekyo]

Expect for the fact that most scientists, most well-known scholars, poets etc. during the Islamic Golden Age (which occurred in Arab lands and under Arab dynasts) and throughout Islamic history have been Arabs.

Which my initial post already confirmed. Arab scholars have almost completely dominated Sunni fiqh and even more when it comes to the Shia fiqh let alone Ibadism and Sufism. All originated in our lands.

I chose to trust Ibn Khalduns words over yours. Ibn Khaldun was an arab btw

 

[Fafnir]

Yes Pakistan faced radicalisation and still does but never has Pakistan blamed Saudis or the Iranians for that.

We dealt with it as our internal matter and so should you both.

Any problems with that?

Not all,in fact I sincerely wish you and pakistan the best of luck in stamping out this vile filth and its deluded supporters in your country.

 

[El Sidd]

Not all,in fact I sincerely wish you and pakistan the best of luck in stamping out this vile filth and its deluded supporters in your country.

We wish you the same. We just want you to leave us alone in your conflict with the Arabs.

That includes propaganda and sensationalism creating sectarian discord among the Pakistanis.