Iranian response to recent developments in Afghanistan

[Falconless]

Tehran wouldnt last 4 days when faced with a joint IEA/Pakistan blitz. It would be worse than the fall of Paris in WW2.

Actually no, look at the terrain of Iran, it’s a mountain fortress it will make America’s attempt at the occupation Afghanistan look like a walk in the park.

 

[KaiserX]

Actually no, look at the terrain of Iran, it’s a mountain fortress it will make America’s attempt at the occupation Afghanistan look like a walk in the park.

Not from the east it is not. From the west/agros mountains, yes.

 

[K_Bin_W]

Tehran wouldnt last 4 days when faced with a joint IEA/Pakistan blitz. It would be worse than the fall of Paris in WW2.

Our FO or High ranking General needs to speak out to make this well known. Either with us they can be the best of friends or worse than enemy.

I am sure you are kidding about a country that fought against Iraq that used chemical weapons and had full backing of the Satan. (Please note I removed great from satan)

 

[Legio XI The Ironclads]

Tehran wouldnt last 4 days when faced with a joint IEA/Pakistan blitz. It would be worse than the fall of Paris in WW2.

Our FO or High ranking General needs to speak out to make this well known. Either with us they can be the best of friends or worse than enemy.

Really, how little the Iran, Iraq war has taught you. they survived 8 years and lost up to half a million Soldiers alone during that war. And remember, this was fighting Iraq when it was the darling of the world, shiny new T72's and Mirage F1's ,with covert support from the US.

Don't underestimate Iranian resolve.

 

[A1Kaid]

People should have right to express themselves. Would be nice if they at least protested with correct information. It's easy to scape goat any country you don't like. Anyways small group of people, no harm no foul.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

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Since it seems certain members strayed away from proper criticism/discussion and ventured into abuse i've decided to recreate the thread as the Iranian statements/actions recently are quite significant in deciding where Iran's stance lies in regards to Afghanistan. I hope that people do not go out sending abuse, your opinion is fine and all however if it starts breaking certain rules then problems do arise.

Also i'd like to point out that Tehran Times is indeed a state newspaper and a government mouthpiece meaning their statements reflect their governments official position.

Here is a bit of Background though regarding Iranian responses:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435165125799972867

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435291441882820609

https://twitter.com/x/status/1434761812461985792

https://twitter.com/x/status/1434762525296533508

https://twitter.com/x/status/1434764824903307270

My accessment is that everyone was thinking differently.
We being more closer region to them understand them well and expected this.
But what other nations though could be different. Maybe they wanted some shia representation too and women representation too etc.
Plus maybe they think a hard line regime won't suit their interest etc. Though Iran has sheltered taliban as much as pakistan.
Iranians are very complicated people. You never know them.
Pakistan must maintain close contacts and remove the misconceptions spread by indian media.
They are making a unit to fight in Syria from Pakistan boys and they are doing investigation for any foreign intervention in neighbouring country and the region is just like far far away from them.
Their attitude is not right.

Iran just sucked on pretty sour grapes. They invested a lot on Panjshiris to get a piece of pie in latest govt. Taliban seem to be in no mood to accommodate spoilers sucks for Iran i guess. Unfortunately this will mean end of chah bahar port as Taliban are clearly leaning toward Pakistan. Iran could become a major spoiler in Afghanistan by sponsoring Tajik insurgency in future.

Taliban could atleast be more inclusive. A single post can be given to shia or a hazara. And also women must be given some women related ministry. But talibs are talibs.

 

[Sayfullah]

they are already sanctioned bro, that was the funny part

Lol dw I was jk just trying to act like those afghan or Iranians saying sanction Pakistan

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Not from the east it is not. From the west/agros mountains, yes.

You are more than welcome to try it but I doubt you will like it!

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Everybody should relax. Mullahs of Iran have to do this because their Panjshiri boys lost. It is stupid of them to accuse Pakistan of having to do anything with that, but what can you do? This will blow over in a few weeks.

 

[Falconless]

This will blow over in a few weeks.

Sounds like an abusive relationship

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Sounds like an abusive relationship

not really. Once everybody starts to benefit from trade, everyone will respect each other.

 

[Tomcats]

Also note that the cabinet is full of people which Iran doesn't have much influence/dislikes too so that could also be contributing to current resentment. Iranian media seems to be quite active in trying to spread disinfo it seems..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435372067575173120

https://twitter.com/x/status/1435351964972367875

 

[Muhammed45]

Too many threads running on the same subject but i prefer to leave my thought in this one.

There are many groups in Iran having their own stance based upon their own interpretation of the recent events in Afghanistan.

Some of us opposed Taliban take over of the country and most of them were pro west people. They and everyone else are free to state their opinions. Some people stayed neutral and some supported Taliban take over. I am between the second and third group of people, i mean, doubtfully and cautiously supporting Taliban.

The people that opposed Taliban mostly supported western/American stance. They wanted Iran militarily interfere in Afghanistan and hence stop Taliban from taking over the country. This group was strongly rejected by Iranian leadership and Iran's military strategists for plenty of reasons.

The neutral people which i can say compose the majority of Iranians say it is an Afghan issue and little to do with us. Most of them ask for elections in Afghanistan saying the government must be chosen through ballots.

The supporters of Taliban claim that Taliban take over would make the borders safer for Iran and Pakistan, it would stop opium smuggling on our borders and also foreign invaders will have to leave the country. We can live with Taliban but not with American trouble makers. This group of people are mostly from military background of Iran and they have helped Taliban in the past militarily and financially.

The first group always asked for military intervention in Afghanistan which was strongly opposed by second and third group. So the majority refused it. They said we interfered in Syria and Iraq, why not Afghanistan?! The answer is simple, Taliban is a reality of Afghanistan and their rule means USA has to leave. Unlike to Syrian scenario where USA supported terrorist groups.

I personally support Taliban keeping in mind that they sometimes go nuts. So i support them cautiously.

In case of Panjshir, Taliban take over was the best solution but it should have been done with patience and peacefully. Some reports suggested that Pakistani drones killed leaders of Panjshir, Pakistan on the other hand never officially refused it. Taliban in some cases acted with cruelty such as stopping water flow to people of Panjshir and they also stopped food supplies to Panjshir. I don't think that Pakistan is to be blamed for the second issue but you should note that everything done by Taliban is considered as a Pakistani thing. We know the reason already, Pakistan should have controlled them.

PS. Panjshiris asked for help from USA/UK. So Iran will never ever help them militarily but in the humanitarian sense, we find ourselves responsible to support the oppressed.

 

[Dariush the Great]

Too many threads running on the same subject but i prefer to leave my thought in this one.

There are many groups in Iran having their own stance based upon their own interpretation of the recent events in Afghanistan.

Some of us opposed Taliban take over of the country and most of them were pro west people. They and everyone else are free to state their opinions. Some people stayed neutral and some supported Taliban take over. I am between the second and third group of people, i mean, doubtfully and cautiously supporting Taliban.

The people that opposed Taliban mostly supported western/American stance. They wanted Iran militarily interfere in Afghanistan and hence stop Taliban from taking over the country. This group was strongly rejected by Iranian leadership and Iran's military strategists for plenty of reasons.

The neutral people which i can say compose the majority of Iranians say it is an Afghan issue and little to do with us. Most of them ask for elections in Afghanistan saying the government must be chosen through ballots.

The supporters of Taliban claim that Taliban take over would make the borders safer for Iran and Pakistan, it would stop opium smuggling on our borders and also foreign invaders will have to leave the country. We can live with Taliban but not with American trouble makers. This group of people are mostly from military background of Iran and they have helped Taliban in the past militarily and financially.

The first group always asked for military intervention in Afghanistan which was strongly opposed by second and third group. So the majority refused it. They said we interfered in Syria and Iraq, why not Afghanistan?! The answer is simple, Taliban is a reality of Afghanistan and their rule means USA has to leave. Unlike to Syrian scenario where USA supported terrorist groups.

I personally support Taliban keeping in mind that they sometimes go nuts. So i support them cautiously.

In case of Panjshir, Taliban take over was the best solution but it should have been done with patience and peacefully. Some reports suggested that Pakistani drones killed leaders of Panjshir, Pakistan on the other hand never officially refused it. Taliban in some cases acted with cruelty such as stopping water flow to people of Panjshir and they also stopped food supplies to Panjshir. I don't think that Pakistan is to be blamed for the second issue but you should note that everything done by Taliban is considered as a Pakistani thing. We know the reason already, Pakistan should have controlled them.

PS. Panjshiris asked for help from USA/UK. So Iran will never ever help them militarily but in the humanitarian sense, we find ourselves responsible to support the oppressed.

Well said. Agreed.

I would like to add a few points.

*Iran supported Syria because the UN-recognized Syrian government officially invited Iran to combat terrorists.
*Iran and Syria had multiple defense contracts signed several years before the 2011 CIA-instigated rebellion.
*Syrian government was, and is, after Iran, the main supporter and backer of Hezbollah in that region vs Israel. since the early 1980's.

Iran had all the reasons to go into Syria. This is for those people who like to compare the Syrian with the Afghan situation.

The Panjshiri's have been in the US/Israeli sphere for the past 2 decades. Just speaking Persian does not qualify in getting support from Iran. If that is the case we could arm the freaking MKO folks as well. Does not make sense.

Iran will only help if they are

a) Iran-friendly.
b) Anti-US or neutral
c) Request help publicly and respectfully


Panjshiri people never asked Iran to intervene militarily and even if they did it should have been declined. Taliban has been no threat in the past years.. the border take over from ANA has been peaceful. Both sides are cooperating.

Let's conclude that Pakistan is behind the Taliban in Afghanistan. And Pakistan is not anti-Iran. This situation is favorable to Iran. Iran must cooperate with Pakistan and the Taliban.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Good post.
I'd be very surprised if Pakistan and Iran are going to be on the opposing sides. There had been a lot of discussions between Pakistan and Afghanistan's neighbors in the last few years. BUT if still Pakistan and Iran are going to be not on friendly terms to fight over a miserable country like Afghanistan then it just shows that 3rd world countries 'leadership' is only good for meetings for Chai and Biscuits!

Let's wait and see what's going to happen over the next some days. But I am hopeful there is no major issue. Also, don't forget Indians (and their agents) not just in Afghanistan but in several countries adding to disinformation and creating misunderstandings.

If states can be duped to this extent by substandard disinformation campaigns emanating from Indian media, it is a damning indictment of those states. However, I do not believe that is what appears to be happening here. Iran is still skeptical of an exclusively Taliban government. It is lashing out because it believes Pakistan did not stop or maybe at some level facilitated the wiping out of Panjshiri resistance that could have stayed there like a thorn by the Taliban's side and forced them into some sort of political accommodation/power-sharing where panjshiris looked after Iranian interests. Iran and Russians at least are getting uneasy with developments in Afghanistan. Russians have also made statements about an "inclusive" government. The more Taliban assert themselves and look like the Taliban of 90s', the more these regional governments who were at the receiving end of Taliban actions would grow suspicious and lash out. We should launch a diplomatic offensive to take regional powers into confidence and state our position forcefully.