Iranian Chill Thread

[Joe_Adam]

He simply reminded a fact regarding Washington's agenda towards Iran - knowing that in the jargon of USA regime officials, "to free" a nation means to destroy it. He expressed the wish all USA decision makers have had on their mind. So here we're not dealing with an episode of senility on Biden's part, but with a slip of the tongue in the sense that he proclaimed an effective policy goal which USA leaders normally aren't open about, for reasons of diplomatic etiquette.

It's only an official confirmation (intentional or not) for something which has been amply documented before. Whitewashing the USA regime's well established hostility won't fly here.

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The discussion was about a government deciding - under pressure - to hold a referendum on whether to maintain, or to change the nature of the political system radically from ground up all the while of having current authorities relinquish power (in other terms, a referendum about so-called "regime change"), and to do so with the aim of putting its popular legitimacy to a test and "prove" itself to oppositionists.

Which has strictly nothing to do with referenda for constitutional amendments, with referenda for unification with other countries and the like.

These are completely incomparable topics, for obvious reasons. There's strictly no precedent for the former anywhere, because it's an absolutely aberrant notion in the practice of governance.

My point stands, and no amount of semantic play is going to produce anything save baseless drivel.

Pardon me as my reply might be lengthy. It takes millions of examples, and many months of writing to reveal why USA is such a pathetic Zionist poodle, and why its bent on destroying Iran.

Israelis/Zionism control USA and the Western regimes have said it without reservation; we cannot survive in the region while Iran growing in power. The power in not a pure military term as the x prime minister Ehud Barak articulated; we are simply too small to keep up with Iran, they just have an overwhelming superiority in population, area size, education, too many engineers, too many scientists and too much natural wealth.

The Zionist planned since early 1990s to contain Iran via US treasury DPT which is headed always by an Israeli citizen, and staffed by Israeli deputy secretaries, and all high ranking officials must be Israelis (dual citizen Ashkenazi Jews). The same is true about US Federal Reserve "CENTRAL BANK" which must be headed by Israelis.

(Check the list of officials in the US Treasury DEPT or the US State DEPT) via google search, and you will be blown away. The non-Jewish officials in high positions never reach 5% and most of that 5% have no decision making roles. They're hired to cover up the Israeli control of the US government.) so, USA is an Israeli proxy state as it has no control over any aspect of US taxpayers money or government policies foreign or domestic. All such important decisions are made by Zionist Jews with complete Israeli acquiescence or stamp of approval.

The concept of economic sanctions was and still is 100% an Israeli scheme to deprive Iran of its own money, halt its industrial drive, weaken its economy, and finally destroy its sovereignty by advocating ethnic strife, supporting terror groups in Balochistan, Khuzestan, Azerbaijan, and Kurdistan. They have been at it since early 980s but failed to make any headway. Regardless, they will keep trying regardless of who governs Iran and the financing for this grand scheme comes from Saudi Arabia.

Iran's combined Oil reserves of 165 B barrels (3rd) in the world and its natural Gas reserves with over 34 trillion cubic meters (1st) in the world which surpass any nation in hydrocarbon wealth, thus, it's no mystery that the west cannot tolerate independent Iran outside the tentacles of the Jewish controlled international banking system by which the Zionists run their ponzi scheme in through the so-called free economy/capitalism.

The "term" Western World exclusively means one thing; the global Zionism which has total control over USA and Europe, as well as all US proxies such as Persian Gulf Arabs states, Turkey, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, and traditional pro-Saudi Pakistani regime who owe their existence to Saudi/Western bribes (the ousted Pakistani PM was not in that corrupt group, so he had to go or be killed).

It's worthy to mention that India is an essential part of this nasty group. India became an obedient Zionist servant since the radical Hindus took control of Indian politics in the past two decades.

Fortunately for Iran, the world is waking up as more people discover the rotten nature of the capitalist West which is leading the globe to destruction thru perpetual wars under the false pretext of promoting democracy.

Hopefully the Russian special operation in Ukraine will haisten the crumbling of the Western world and end the Zionist control over the global banking system, a system made possible by the petro-Dollars.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

It did not happen in Tehran in 1370-1380. Maybe a different time or place.

To ask a student to attend a government demonstration no.

How many times I have attended: zero and nobody forced me to

Occasionally in primary school they had sorood singing. I vaguely remember that but students likes the instruments.

Also in school there was shoaar to say and many did not do it.

@MrNiceGuy

It is no the biggest at all. It is not the longest if you care for population either.

It needs a solution yes. A smart one.

@sha ah

The need for population to fill the demos depends on situation, similar to military service, maybe in 70-80 there was no need. But in 60's when I was in high school and the war was going on they would bus us almost every week. And again now, since majority of people becoming at best neutral or hostile to the regime because of how they mishandled the situation and need is growing. Every week they are sending their basiji and police forces to beat up students INSIDE schools because they refused to sing SALAM FARMANDE and instead singing anti-government slogans.

I used to be one of those people who were in the middle and thought the regime would lax their laws and improve social situation over time but Mahsa Amini opened my eyes, they murder a girl for their stupid rule which by the way she was following, then forced the medical examiner to lie about it (one of the team members came public with it and got arrested right away). Then we heard it loud and clear that the regime won't change the hejab law and will even enforce it harder in future. Then instead of listening to people they came after them by killing scores and in every instance going after their family to force them to lie on TV.

This is not a government that Iranians deserve, they deserve much better, where people can choose whether they want to wear hejab or not and it is none of government's business.

They literally doing everything worst than what was happening under shah, killing, torture, everything.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

To the people who say we should wait another year and see what happens, the answer is no we should not and here are the reasons:
- Khamenei's ego is badly hurt. He couldn't get his SALAM FARMANDE off the ground despite spending so much money on it but students picked up swear words against him and it spread like wild fire. Someone with such a grudge is dangerous
- We hear loud and clear from multiple top officials that gasht-e ershad will be re-established after thing quiet down and the reason they don't have it now is because of lack of personnel (not the will)
- there are 400 dead, 19K detained and scores injured because of a law that does have any place in modern society and they insist on keeping it. They want answer, including the 115 people who were killed in cold blood in Zahedan and Khash by snipers and direct gun fire
- They are planning with their Kangaroo court to mass execute people in jail
- The economy has been getting worse. The dollar was 25K when Raisi came to the office and now is at 36K and is going up again as people lost their confidence in Rial.
- Corruption under Raisi has been worst than before, parliament literally rejected one of the candidates because of corruption but Khamenei intervened and put him in the office. So much for accountability
- They always blame sanctions for lack of medicine and stuff people need but they have enough money to buy guns from US and tear gas from UK to use for killing and maiming demonstrators
- The most educated part of society, university students (including Sharif students), lawyers, doctors are in jail or killed or badly injured or expelled from university while the government is controlled by a bunch of illiterate akhound and IRGC officials like this a..hole who literally said if we were pushed out of office we (IRGC members) use all those missiles to "SHOKHM" the capital and wherever is fallen out of the control.

I used to be one of those in the middle guys who was giving them the benefit of doubts but the recent events pushed me to wanting this regime gone.

Rial to USD chart since Raisi took office

 

[SalarHaqq]

The need for population to fill the demos depends on situation, similar to military service, maybe in 70-80 there was no need. But in 60's when I was in high school and the war was going on they would bus us almost every week. And again now, since majority of people becoming at best neutral or hostile to the regime because of how they mishandled the situation and need is growing. Every week they are sending their basiji and police forces to beat up students INSIDE schools because they refused to sing SALAM FARMANDE and instead singing anti-government slogans.

Fake news, and nothing to substantiate it with of course.

As for forcing people to attend rallies, we've already established how and why such a thing's not practically feasible.

I used to be one of those people who were in the middle and thought the regime would lax their laws and improve social situation over time but Mahsa Amini opened my eyes,

Sure. Just that you never bothered to express those views before, nay you didn't deem it necessary to register at the forum. Join date: October 18, 2022. And sporting two USA flags. And posting only in a handful of threads at the Iranian section, exclusively to echo the oppositionist and western / zionist narrative on riots in Iran.

As if this wasn't odd enough, repeating disinformation over and over again whilst ignoring counters offered by users - a typical psy-ops tactics deployed by trained online trolls.

So yeah, we wholeheartedly "believe" the introductory story you came up with.

they murder a girl for their stupid rule which by the way she was following,

Repeat it as often as you like, it will certainly make it any more truthful.

Mahsa Amini was not "murdered", and that whole bogus allegation has strictly no leg to stand on when confronted with known facts.

then forced the medical examiner to lie about it (one of the team members came public with it and got arrested right away).

Another gratuitous, fabricated allegation.

1) Nobody was forced to lie.

2) I've seen no evidence that the person who made that declaration actually took part in the autopsy. He doesn't introduce himself as such.

3) He clearly suggested Amini might have passed away as a result of a shock. A shock, not murder. You're twisting the words of that physicist, trying to make him say something he never uttered.

they came after them by killing scores and

How unsurprising that you'd leave out the most decisive aspect: law enforcement was subjected to about a week of brutal, random assaults by lynch mobs who'd been incited by the fake news zionist- and NATO-sponsored media were spreading about Amini's demise and similarly baseless stories.

After displaying extraordinary restraint, security forces finally began doing their job and pushing back on the aggressors, in conformity with their legal duty and with the heartfelt support of the Iranian people who've staged multiple massive rallies throughout the country to express their solidarity with law enforcement and to condemn the violent riots.

in every instance going after their family to force them to lie on TV.

Provide some evidence for this claim. Else it's nothing but unsubstantiated drivel.

This is not a government that Iranians deserve, they deserve much better, where people can choose whether they want to wear hejab or not and it is none of government's business.

They literally doing everything worst than what was happening under shah, killing, torture, everything.

The Pahlavi regime had deprived Iran of her sovereignty, acted as the typical imperial vassal at the behest of the USA and zionist regimes. Had its Prime Ministers chosen in the White House. Was ruled by a monarch whose royal palaces were bugged by listening devices installed by his imperial patrons. Was doing the latters' dirty work by sending Iranian troops die to advance western interests in places like Oman. Was depending for its survival on 40000 American military advisers benefiting from full legal immunity, even if they were to murder Iranians, as per the capitulation treaty ratified by the regime. While the shah's cronies, including an entire lot of zionist and Bahai oligarchs with foreign loyalties, were indulging in shameless luxury, the poorest segments of the Iranian population were literally on the verge of famine.

The Islamic Republic restored Iran's independence, self-determination and sovereignty by kicking out those oppressive imperialists. Then went on to develop Iran to unprecedented levels in modern times. Raised people's living standards, brought about a boom in infrastructures, public education, R&D and technology, healthcare, industrialization and agricultural self-sufficiency. Notwithstanding 8 years of an Imposed War, the harshest sanctions regime worldwide and countless other acts of hostility by a handful of powers-to-be unable to accept a strong, independent, flourishing Iran, no longer reduced to acting as their obedient client.

Indeed, there's no comparison.

To the people who say we should wait another year and see what happens, the answer is no we should not and here are the reasons:

Who's "we"? Do users with twin American flags living outside Iran qualify? Are they going to overthrow the Islamic Republic "soon"?

- Khamenei's ego is badly hurt. He couldn't get his SALAM FARMANDE off the ground despite spending so much money on it but students picked up swear words against him and it spread like wild fire. Someone with such a grudge is dangerous

And what exactly would this bar-room psychoanalysis be based upon, other than a flimsy reference to some musical work and a whole slew of fake news?

- We hear loud and clear from multiple top officials that gasht-e ershad will be re-established after thing quiet down and the reason they don't have it now is because of lack of personnel (not the will)

Oh people! Listen to "MrNiceGuy"! Run your country into the ground and make sure to Syrianize it because of a headscarf issue, a matter of such existential import that it's worthy of methodical self-destruction according to the zio-American playbook witnessed across the region (Iraq, Libya, Syria etc etc).

- there are 400 dead, 19K detained and scores injured

I'm not aware of 400 dead and 19000 detained. Substantiate those numbers with tangible proof, as nothing's easier than conjuring up bogus statistics. And no, Maryam Rajavi and the camp in Albania aren't considered as credible sources. Nor is the Saudi-funded Reza Pahlavi.

However, what I do know for certain is that if Iranians heed the call of their existential foreign enemies and somehow manage to replicate the Syrian scenario in Iran, then there'll be around 3 million dead, 10 million refugees, 30 million internally displaced and an uprooted, forever destroyed and balkanized former nation-state left for them to enjoy.

because of a law that does have any place in modern society and they insist on keeping it.

Correction: because of a bunch of hooligans and rioters assaulting not just law enforcement but ordinary citizens who're in disagreement with them, in addition to setting ablaze public and private property.

- They are planning with their Kangaroo court to mass execute people in jail

In a functional and secure society, individuals who commit murder, assault or vandalism must stand trial in accordance to the law if arrested.

- The economy has been getting worse. The dollar was 25K when Raisi came to the office and now is at 36K and is going up again as people lost their confidence in Rial.

And surely the Iranian economy will improve if rioters and their "I"SIS partners manage to destabilize the country with the active help of gullible bystanders... Not everyone will be naive enough to buy into an absurdity of this magnitude though.

- Corruption under Raisi has been worst than before, parliament literally rejected one of the candidates because of corruption but Khamenei intervened and put him in the office. So much for accountability

The Leader intervenes rarely in such cases and when he does, it is to prevent institutional instability. There's no proof of corruption concerning the ministerial candidate in question.

- They always blame sanctions for lack of medicine and stuff people need but they have enough money to buy guns from US and tear gas from UK to use for killing and maiming demonstrators

The fact that western regimes have been obstructing the export of certain medical drugs not produced domestically by Iran (a small percentage), is amply documented including by western sources themselves. So one wonders what you're on about here.

- The most educated part of society, university students (including Sharif students), lawyers, doctors are in jail or killed or badly injured or expelled from university while the government is controlled by a bunch of illiterate akhound and IRGC officials like this a..hole who literally said if we were pushed out of office we (IRGC members) use all those missiles to "SHOKHM" the capital and wherever is fallen out of the control.

Sure, no practicing doctors, lawyers or Sharif students are left in Iran.

I used to be one of those in the middle guys who was giving them the benefit of doubts but the recent events pushed me to wanting this regime gone.

Naturally you used to be. Hence why until about two weeks ago, MrNiceGuy was nowhere to be seen to share their "middle guy" views with us, but then suddenly appeared out of nowhere - notice the timing - with the sole apparent purpose of flooding the Iranian section with typically prefabricated, slogan-like, repetitive anti-IR talking points borrowed from the zio-American propaganda apparatus. Sorry, a tad too transparent for the careful observer.

 

[jauk]

The need for population <CLIP>

Barberries. Iranians know what that means.

To the people <CLIP>

More barberries.

 

[aryobarzan]

Fake news, and nothing to substantiate it of course.

As for forcing people to attend rallies, we've already established how and why such a thing's not practically feasible.



Sure. Just that you never bothered to express those views before, nay you didn't deem it necessary to register at the forum. Join date: October 18, 2022. And sporting two USA flags. And posting only in a handful of threads at the Iranian section, exclusively to echo the oppositionist and western / zionist narrative on riots in Iran.

As if this wasn't odd enough, repeating disinformation over and over again whilst ignoring counters offered by users - a typical psy-ops tactics deployed by trained online trolls.

So yeah, we wholeheartedly "believe" the introductory story you came up with.



Repeat it as often as you like, it will certainly make it any more truthful.

Mahsa Amini was not "murdered", and that whole bogus allegation has strictly no leg to stand on when confronted with known facts.



Another gratuitous, fabricated allegation.

1) Nobody was forced to lie.

2) I've seen no evidence that the person who made that declaration actually took part in the autopsy. He doesn't introduce himself as such.

3) He clearly suggested Amini might have passed away as a result of a shock. A shock, not murder. You're twisting the words of that physicist, trying to make him say something he never uttered.



How unsurprising that you'd leave out the most decisive aspect: law enforcement was subjected to about a week of brutal, random assaults by lynch mobs who'd been incited by the fake news zionist- and NATO-sponsored media were spreading about Amini's demise and similarly baseless stories.

After displaying extraordinary restraint, security forces finally began doing their job and pushing back on the aggressors, in conformity with their legal duty and with the heartfelt support of the Iranian people who've staged multiple massive rallies throughout the country to express their solidarity with law enforcement and to condemn the violent riots.



Provide some evidence for this claim. Else it's nothing but unsubstantiated drivel.



The Pahlavi regime had deprived Iran of her sovereignty, acted as the typical imperial vassal at the behest of the USA and zionist regimes. Had its Prime Ministers chosen in the White House. Was ruled by a monarch whose royal palaces were bugged by listening devices installed by his imperial patrons. Was doing the latters' dirty work by sending Iranian troops die to advance western interests in places like Oman. Was depending for its survival on 40000 American military advisers benefiting from full legal immunity, even if they were to murder Iranians, as per the capitulation treaty ratified by the regime. While the shah's cronies, including an entire lot of zionist and Bahai oligarchs with foreign loyalties, were indulging in shameless luxury, the poorest segments of the Iranian population were literally on the verge of famine.

The Islamic Republic restored Iran's independence, self-determination and sovereignty by kicking out those oppressive imperialists. Then went on to develop Iran to unprecedented levels in modern times. Raised people's living standards, brought about a boom in infrastructures, public education, R&D and technology, healthcare, industrialization and agricultural self-sufficiency. Notwithstanding 8 years of an Imposed War, the harshest sanctions regime worldwide and countless other acts of hostility by a handful of powers-to-be unable to accept a strong, independent, flourishing Iran, no longer reduced to acting as their obedient client.

Indeed, there's no comparison.



Who's "we"? Do users with twin American flags living outside Iran qualify? Are they going to overthrow the Islamic Republic "soon"?





And what exactly would this bar-room psychoanalysis be based upon, other than a flimsy reference to some musical work and a whole slew of fake news?



Oh people! Listen to "MrNiceGuy"! Run your country into the ground and make sure to Syrianize it because of a headscarf issue, a matter of such existential import that it's worthy of methodical self-destruction according to the zio-American playbook witnessed across the region (Iraq, Libya, Syria etc etc).



I'm not aware of 400 dead and 19000 detained. Substantiate those numbers with tangible proof, as nothing's easier than conjuring up bogus statistics. And no, Maryam Rajavi and the camp in Albania aren't considered as credible sources. Nor is the Saudi-funded Reza Pahlavi.

However, what I do know for certain is that if Iranians heed the call of their existential foreign enemies and somehow manage to replicate the Syrian scenario in Iran, then there'll be around 3 million dead, 10 million refugees, 30 million internally displaced and an uprooted, forever destroyed and balkanized former nation-state left for them to enjoy.



Correction: because of a bunch of hooligans and rioters assaulting not just law enforcement but ordinary citizens who're in disagreement with them, in addition to setting ablaze public and private property.



In a functional and secure society, individuals who commit murder, assault or vandalism must stand trial in accordance to the law if arrested.



And surely the Iranian economy will improve if rioters and their "I"SIS partners manage to destabilize the country with the active help of gullible bystanders... Not everyone will be naive enough to buy into an absurdity of this magnitude though.



The Leader intervenes rarely in such cases and when he does, it is to prevent institutional instability. There's no proof of corruption concerning the ministerial candidate in question.



The fact that western regimes have been obstructing the export of certain medical drugs not produced domestically by Iran (a small percentage), is amply documented including by western sources themselves. So one wonders what you're on about here.



Sure, no practicing doctors, lawyers or Sharif students are left in Iran.



Of course you used to be. Hence why MrNiceGuy was nowhere to be seen until about two weeks ago to share their "middle guy" views with forumers, but then suddenly appeared out of nowhere - notice the timing - with the sole apparent aim of flooding the Iranian section with typically prefabricated, slogan-like, repetitive anti-IR talking points borrowed from the zio-American propaganda apparatus. Sorry, a tad too transparent for the careful observer.

He works for "Ayatollah Steve"...Could not fool an old dog like me..

 

[Shawnee]

The need for population to fill the demos depends on situation, similar to military service, maybe in 70-80 there was no need. But in 60's when I was in high school and the war was going on they would bus us almost every week. And again now, since majority of people becoming at best neutral or hostile to the regime because of how they mishandled the situation and need is growing. Every week they are sending their basiji and police forces to beat up students INSIDE schools because they refused to sing SALAM FARMANDE and instead singing anti-government slogans.

I used to be one of those people who were in the middle and thought the regime would lax their laws and improve social situation over time but Mahsa Amini opened my eyes, they murder a girl for their stupid rule which by the way she was following, then forced the medical examiner to lie about it (one of the team members came public with it and got arrested right away). Then we heard it loud and clear that the regime won't change the hejab law and will even enforce it harder in future. Then instead of listening to people they came after them by killing scores and in every instance going after their family to force them to lie on TV.

This is not a government that Iranians deserve, they deserve much better, where people can choose whether they want to wear hejab or not and it is none of government's business.

They literally doing everything worst than what was happening under shah, killing, torture, everything.

Requesting an amendment and revision does not equal wanting bloody revolution.

Neither one of your arguments can justify bloody revolution that is more likely to be defeated.

People do not want bloody revolutions with unknown outcome. Believe me.

 

[925boy]

I only spent 2 days countering the lies the likes of Beny, ZE German, roadtoamerica, etc were telling on 2 threads and none of them till now has countered my points.
I finished Jhungary's mostly irrelevant points off a bunch of times, and he decided to self quarantine himself from arguing with me.

Anybody on PDF who argues crazy economics or wild Iran military stuff with me on this forum, i will make sure i nail the coffin of those crappy and manipulative arguments.

Ukraine will understand soon why succesful negotiations was a much better choice than this war now. Iran is holding some strong leverage cards in this Ukraine war already, no one foresaw that, so once again, N W O in play.

 

[Hormuz]

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1589306056324558851

https://twitter.com/x/status/1589501081037701120

 

[lydian fall]

 

[TruthHurtz]

I only spent 2 days countering the lies the likes of Beny, ZE German, roadtoamerica, etc were telling on 2 threads and none of them till now has countered my points.
I finished Jhungary's mostly irrelevant points off a bunch of times, and he decided to self quarantine himself from arguing with me.

Anybody on PDF who argues crazy economics or wild Iran military stuff with me on this forum, i will make sure i nail the coffin of those crappy and manipulative arguments.

Ukraine will understand soon why succesful negotiations was a much better choice than this war now. Iran is holding some strong leverage cards in this Ukraine war already, no one foresaw that, so once again, N W O in play.

I'm engaging with him right now, he's delusional. He's trying to convince himself that wiping out a nations power grid will have no consequences. No wonder he's emotionally invested, apparently trained nationalist psychos back in April. ZOGbot brainrot.

 

[lydian fall]

 

[Hormuz]

 

[jauk]

Yep:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1589644492302299136