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this thread isnt about Turkey vs Iran .
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iran produce quantity while Turkey produce quality .
 
karrar 90 tank
sejil 2 BM (mach 14, solid fuel, 2500km range, two-stage, fully indigenous design, guidance system improvements ongoing)
damavand frigate
shahed 129 + mohajer 6 drones
new fateh missile unveiled today (precision-guided)
bavar 373 (launchers + radars + sayyad 4 missiles unveiled already, will be operational soon and replace s-300)
1 of only 6 countries to send a monkey to space and safely return him (turkey has monkey as president forget space)

etc

I agree upon that Iran and Turkey have different defence focus, doctrine and opportunities in relation to foreign help.

However, none of the systems listed is cutting edge.

Karrar - merely an upgraded t-72 falling short of most competitors. will it ever go into production? little is known about is systems as well? By comparison, Turkey's Altay seems to be a more capable platform (indeed build with help op South Korea)

Missiles - Agree your missiles are better than Turkey's. However, turkey has not prioritised missiles and could in a relatively short time period be on par.

Frigate? Considered a corvette everywhere else.

Drone technology - Iran is good but Turkey's tech is better.

Air Defence - Iran is doing good but nothing cutting edge.


To sum, Iran is definitely better than Turkey in many defence related fields - but none of these systems can be considered world class. Turkey has managed to built world class systems.

There are many opportunities for Iran and Turkey to co-operate, each with their strengths can help both a lot.

Anyways good luck. I am truly cheering for Iran developing systems capable of defending her while terrifying her enemies.
 
I agree upon that Iran and Turkey have different defence focus, doctrine and opportunities in relation to foreign help.

However, none of the systems listed is cutting edge.

Karrar - merely an upgraded t-72 falling short of most competitors. will it ever go into production? little is known about is systems as well? By comparison, Turkey's Altay seems to be a more capable platform (indeed build with help op South Korea)

Missiles - Agree your missiles are better than Turkey's. However, turkey has not prioritised missiles and could in a relatively short time period be on par.

Frigate? Considered a corvette everywhere else.

Drone technology - Iran is good but Turkey's tech is better.

Air Defence - Iran is doing good but nothing cutting edge.

To sum, Iran is definitely better than Turkey in many defence related fields - but none of these systems can be considered world class. Turkey has managed to built world class systems.

There are many opportunities for Iran and Turkey to co-operate, each with their strengths can help both a lot.

Anyways good luck. I am truly cheering for Iran developing systems capable of defending her while terrifying her enemies.
You ask if Karrar will go into production (it will, 50-60 to be produced every year) then quote Altay, which also has not entered production yet! but i agree it is mostly an upgraded t-72, but it has real world class 'features' and to build a tank better than t-72 with great features to build on in the future is something in itself

I think in your discussion you are conflating two issues: 1) whether the equipment iran produces is "world class" and 2) whether iran produces better equipment than turkey in that area.

okay call it a corvette, still advanced

what drones does turkey make that are more advanced?

how many countries can produce their own air defence systems? US, Russia, China... not many! what world class systems has turkey produced on its own?

on a wider point i agree that on the areas turkey has prioritised it is superior, and vice versa. but to the world class point that depends on semantics and has to take into account the disadvantages iran has (i.e. sanctions which make everything much harder, smaller budget, huge brain drain, etc).

iran doesnt need "world class" equipment and nor is it realistic with sanctions + the tiny military budget, just needs enough to reach its objectives, e.g. producing drones with adequate cameras/monitors/weapons to monitor/attack terrorists at border regions vs stealth drones to penetrate deep into enemy territory!
 
Plus an optimized barrel for N45 155mm artillery. This barrel has received a nickel phosphorus coating that reduces the corrosion inside the barrel and increases it's lifespan by 40%.
friction between the barrel and the artillery rounds in this barrel is 6 times lower which increases the initial velocity of the artillery rounds.

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Show us ONE Iranian produced defence product which can be considered state of the art.
The zulfiqar short range ballistic missile would certainly be a contender,I cant think of anything else in that class with a terminally guided separating gliding warhead.Even the russian iskander which is considered to be one of the best in the class doesnt have that capability.Also the kalij fars ballistic antiship missile would be another state of the art weapon,in fact iran might well have been the first nation to actually deploy this class of weapon as we still dont know if the chinese df21 ashbm variant ever went into service or not.The terminally guided Emad separating warhead for irans medium range ballistic missiles would probably be another as well.

lol, what? No, just no.
Yeah,Turkeys not even in the middle east,its a "european" country.....just kidding[lol!]
Actually with the door to eu membership closed and erdos insane neo-ottamanist lunacy stymied in syria,Turkey seems less a "regional power" and more like the turkey in a turkey sandwich Goble,Goble
Heres one of erdogans latest speeches,I think its the one where he says the us stabbed him in the back
Well he was certainly in fine form and his audience certainly approved.
 
The Black Recoilless rifle is a 106mm M-40 that has been in service in Iran since the 1960s.
Getting pretty long in the tooth,like a lot of irans conventional weapons sadly,tho it is cheaper than an atgm I suppose and more portable than a non recoiless artillery piece.
 
Show us ONE Iranian produced defence product which can be considered state of the art.



you already Know, just quick reminder

third of Khordad air defence
Sayyad 2-c and Sayyad 3-C and Talash System with Phase arry radars


Fateh submarine in its class , soon you see it inauguration and maybe it's weapon system, and it subsurface capability,
 
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The zulfiqar short range ballistic missile would certainly be a contender,I cant think of anything else in that class with a terminally guided separating gliding warhead.Even the russian iskander which is considered to be one of the best in the class doesnt have that capability.Also the kalij fars ballistic antiship missile would be another state of the art weapon,in fact iran might well have been the first nation to actually deploy this class of weapon as we still dont know if the chinese df21 ashbm variant ever went into service or not.The terminally guided Emad separating warhead for irans medium range ballistic missiles would probably be another as well.


Yeah,Turkeys not even in the middle east,its a "european" country.....just kidding[lol!]
Actually with the door to eu membership closed and erdos insane neo-ottamanist lunacy stymied in syria,Turkey seems less a "regional power" and more like the turkey in a turkey sandwich Goble,Goble
Heres one of erdogans latest speeches,I think its the one where he says the us stabbed him in the back
Well he was certainly in fine form and his audience certainly approved.
If speeches won wars, hitler would have ruled the world.

Turkey is doing just fine regionally, Iran has a lot more to worry about, as it is only hinging on the fact that EU wants to save face. Meanwhile, Turkey and the EU may not get along, but they're still allies.
 
If speeches won wars, hitler would have ruled the world.

Turkey is doing just fine regionally, Iran has a lot more to worry about, as it is only hinging on the fact that EU wants to save face. Meanwhile, Turkey and the EU may not get along, but they're still allies.

You are naive, the coup was the first attempt to bring Western backed change into Turkey. With the help of Iran’s national security council it failed. Because Iran saw the big picture.

Soon the real intentions became clear with the tool the West loves the most: sanctions

This isn’t about some pastor being held by Turkey (if that were the case US would have to sanction a lot of countries for dubious reasons).

US found its excuse in the pastor just as it did with Russia annexing Crimea. It will continue looking for excuses in order to reach its agenda.

So no Turkey is not doing “fine” regionally. It’s actually in a dangerous position. It has to navigate carefully. The weakness with Turks is their arrogance. It’s exploitable.

Another issue here is the same issue that plagued Bashar Al Assad after the end of the Iraq civil war. Assad was for the longest time allowing militants to cross into Iraq from syria to fight in the civil war and against US occupation. Those fighters ended up building a network within syria and eventually turned on the hand that facilitated them.

Turkey for the past several years has been facilitating the movement of many Miltants, those same militants have built a network in Turkey as evidenced by a few terrorist attacks in Turkey.

With an estimated ~150,000 radical militants in Idlib province, Turkey faces a very dangerous internal security situation as the Syrian civil war draws to a close.

While the West cannot outright shun Turkey without weakening NATO, it also isn’t going to stop trying to Persue it’s agenda.

Rarely does the West apply sanctions then back off. Usually sanctions are the opening salvo of pressure that may continue.
 
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You are naive, the coup was the first attempt to bring Western backed change into Turkey. With the help of Iran’s national security council it failed. Because Iran saw the big picture.

And you are wrong. Iran was the one that helped get rid of the coup attempt? That's a new one, I've never heard of such a ridiculous claim.

There is no evidence that the coup was western backed. Consider the history of turkey and it's previous coup attempt first. The Turkish army doesn't need help nor advise from foreign powers to commit a coup. As such, this is nothing more than a fake conspiracy theory.

Soon the real intentions became clear with the tool the West loves the most: sanctions

Trump, and Trump alone. No one backed him on this, and even his own advisors warned him not to do it, as it would jeopardize NATO operations in the region.

France has already declared that it would back Turkey on these temporary sanctions.

This isn’t about some pastor being held by Turkey (if that were the case US would have to sanction a lot of countries for dubious reasons).

Of course it isn't, when did I say it was? That's just the excuse given. The reality is that Trump has been trying to weaken NATO, as an excuse to eventually pull out. It's also a larger part of his trade war, and his policy in Syria.

US found its excuse in the pastor just as it did with Russia annexing Crimea. It will continue looking for excuses in order to reach its agenda.

Yeah, no shit.

So no Turkey is not doing “fine” regionally. It’s actually in a dangerous position. It has to navigate carefully. The weakness with Turks is their arrogance. It’s exploitable.

No, Turkey is actually doing quite well. It's only real problem is from Trump's policy on Syria and NATO. Regionally, Turkey has actually expanded its influence; Take Iraq, where turkey's influence was limited to the KRG, now it has expanded to the central government, and is in a stalemate with Iran.

Another issue here is the same issue that plagued Bashar Al Assad after the end of the Iraq civil war. Assad was for the longest time allowing militants to cross into Iraq from syria to fight in the civil war and against US occupation. Those fighters ended up building a network within syria and eventually turned on the hand that facilitated them.

So, we're just going to ignore that most of the factions fighting Assad were created post Syrian civil war.

Still, you do sort of have a point here, a few militant groups he supported did turn against him.

Turkey for the past several years has been facilitating the movement of many Miltants, those same militants have built a network in Turkey as evidenced by a few terrorist attacks in Turkey.

Citation needed.

While there have been terror attacks, they've occurred by the hands of the PKK and it's afiliates, and ocassionally ISIS. You're gonna have to try harder on this one.

With an estimated ~150,000 radical militants in Idlib province, Turkey faces a very dangerous internal security situation as the Syrian civil war draws to a close.

150,000 radicals, again, citation needed.

While the West cannot outright shun Turkey without weakening NATO, it also isn’t going to stop trying to Persue it’s agenda.

Again, not the west, just Trump.

Rarely does the West apply sanctions then back off. Usually sanctions are the opening salvo of pressure that may continue.
Most of the so called sanctions are merely 90 day holds. Take the military sales sanctions, which ever keeps hyping, it's a 90 day hold, which is meant to put pressure on Turkey, but will end up back firing, as Trump likes to play zero sum games, he rarely wins.
 
No, Turkey is actually doing quite well. It's only real problem is from Trump's policy on Syria and NATO. Regionally, Turkey has actually expanded its influence; Take Iraq, where turkey's influence was limited to the KRG, now it has expanded to the central government, and is in a stalemate with Iran.

Stalemate with Iran?

That is beyond a ludacris statement. Iran controls over 100,000 PMU’s soldiers in iraq. In southern iraq, Iranian currency is used in places. Iran has loyalists in upper echleons of Iraqi government and security structure.

When recently Kurds were seeking Independence referendum From Iraq, it was Quds Force and Iran backed Iraqi miltias that shut their mouth in Northern Iraq.

Iran backed party has the 2nd most seats in Iraqi parliament and after all the propaganda about Sadr going pro-West and Pro-Arab, he ended up alligning with Iran backed party.

Saying that Turkey has the same power in Iraq that Iran does just goes to show Turk ignorance...nothing more.

Irregardless I compare Turkey and Iran rivalry more brotherly than anything. While there interests sometimes diverge, there is mutual understanding both sides need each other to achieve their goals

I will leave it at that
 
Stalemate with Iran?

That is beyond a ludacris statement. Iran controls over 100,000 PMU’s soldiers in iraq. In southern iraq, Iranian currency is used in places. Iran has loyalists in upper echleons of Iraqi government and security structure.

So do other nations, Iraqis are still against Iranian influence within the country. The fact is that Iran is losing influence, as it has lost one of its biggest supporters, Sadr.

When recently Kurds were seeking Independence referendum From Iraq, it was Quds Force and Iran backed Iraqi miltias that shut their mouth in Northern Iraq.

Only after the Turks convinced half the pro-Turkish peshmerga forces to withdraw, and allow Iraqi forces to take control

Iran backed party has the 2nd most seats in Iraqi parliament and after all the propaganda about Sadr going pro-West and Pro-Arab, he ended up alligning with Iran backed party.

lol, delusion at best here. Sadr isn't pro-west, he's pro-Arab, because he IS Arab. He's a Iraqi nationalist, nothing more.

Saying that Turkey has the same power in Iraq that Iran does just goes to show Turk ignorance...nothing more.

The entire conversation has shown just how little you actually know. You know the basic sugar coated pro-Iran propaganda, but nothing underneath it.

Irregardless I compare Turkey and Iran rivalry more brotherly than anything. While there interests sometimes diverge, there is mutual understanding both sides need each other to achieve their goals

I will leave it at that
Turkey's and Iran's interests diverge quite a lot, and they rarely get along.

Really, this entire exercise has only shown your ignorance.
 
Only the first message not related with Turkey. :)

unlimited access to weapons/tech imports

Turkey is not self-sufficient in anything and their biggest export is vegetables


turkey didnt produce a missile with 300km+ range yet, what air defence or radars or missiles or submarines did turkey produce?

what drones does turkey make that are more advanced?

what world class systems has turkey produced on its own?
You are welcome on Turkish Section.

Iran is self-sufficient in tanks, rifles, comms, armour, radars, drones, missiles, submarines, frigates, maintaining f-14/other US equipment, reverse engineering US missiles (e.g. fakkour) - there is no comparison...

i agree that on the areas turkey has prioritised it is superior,

These two of your sentences contradicts each other but it's understandable. You need to get much much more knowledge about Turkish made systems if you want to do a comparison.
 

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