Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Arminkh]

it was allegedly an syrian S-200

The manpads that shot down the choppers were probably Iranian:

Syria Shoots Down Israeli Warplane F-16 Bomber, Using Russian S-300 Air Defense System
By Ziad Fadel
Global Research, August 23, 2015
Syrian Perspective

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GR Editor’s Note:

The shooting down of an Israeli warplane by Syria has not been reported by Western and Israeli media sources. According to Sputnik, on August 21, “the Israeli Air Force resumed airstrikes on Western Syria, targeting a government army base at Khan Al-Sheih in Damascus province and another in the al-Quneitra province after a six-hour halt in attacks that followed their multiple air raids over the Golan Heights.”

Fars News Agency (FNA) also confirmed the Israeli attacks and the shooting down of an Israeli fighter plane

The Syrian air defense system shot down an Israeli warplane violating the Arab country’s air space.

The Israeli fighter jet was targeted over the city of Al-Quneitra on Friday.

Israel regularly violates the Syrian airspace and it launches missile attacks against the Arab country.

On Friday, the Israeli Air Force resumed airstrikes on Western Syria, targeting Brigade 68 Base in Khan Al-Sheih in Damascus province and Brigade 90 Base in the al-Quneitra province after a six hour halt in attacks that followed their multiple air raids over the Golan Heights.

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Yesterday, Friday, August 21, 2015 in the early hours, Damascus time, an Israeli US made F-16 fighter-bomber, flew into Syrian airspace brazenly and fired at Brigade 68 and, then, turned and flew back toward Brigade 90 in Qunaytra in order to insure a safe landing in occupied Palestine if the aircraft was struck. It was struck. An SA-9 from the Iftiraas Air Defense Base and an SA-2 near the Khalkhaala AB were fired. But, the technical wizardry was most on display when an S-300 (SA-10 “Grumble) super-air-defense missile was fired from the Republican Guard base near the Mazza AB at the foot of Qaasiyoon Mountain west of Damascus. This was done so that the F-16’s electronic countermeasures would first fix on the SA-2 and SA-9 while the S-300 plowed forward to exterminate the vermin inside the Israeli aircraft. The S-300 vaporized the Israeli bomber. No evidence was seen of the pilot ejecting. Instead, eyewitness accounts described a ball of fire over the Golan and the remains scattering into the air over the Huleh Valley in Palestine.

Also, the Israelis lost 2 helicopters while flying missions over the Golan Heights in an effort to bolster the sagging morale of the Takfiri rats of Nusra/Alqaeda and Al-Ittihaad Al-Islaami li-Ajnaad Al-Shaam. The 2 helicopters went down over the area near Qunaytra City and were reportedly shot down by shoulder fired, heat-seeking missiles deployed throughout the Syrian Army.

Syria’s Right to Self Defense

It had to happen, sooner or later. The seeming diffidence of the Syrian brass had to transform into a bolder and more pugnacious articulation of Syria’s right to self-defense. With Russia now inevitably bound to the Syrian government for reasons discussed at length on our website; and Iran, now dazzled by a new role to play in regional politics; the green light turned on, finally, with Moscow withdrawing all restrictions on the use of advanced weaponry sold to the Syrian military. If you want to know what the former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, Martin Dempsey, meant when he told Congress Syria had a “robust air defense system”, the Zionists just found out for themselves.

Yesterday, there was despondence after Israel assaulted Qunaytra and killed civilians seated in a public vehicle. The Israelis also killed one Syrian soldier and wounded several others in the Brigade 68 base.



Via Wikimapia: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.080898&lon=36.612282&z=12&m=b

But, the Syrian Army Chief of Staff, in consultation with the president and the Defense Minister, had no intention of letting this episode slide by especially in light of President Putin’s recent meeting with the Turkish ambassador in Moscow during which he flatly told the diplomat that relations with Turkey would be severed if Erdoghan did not stop supporting terrorism. It also came just after Sergei Lavrov called the Saudi foreign minister an “imbecile” just as the latter was renouncing any intention to treat with the Syrian government. There is a new belligerency in both Moscow and Teheran and it is being translated into action over Syria.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-shoots-down-israeli-warplane-f-16-bomber-and-helicopters/5471009

 

[NaCon]

there is no proof that the missile(s) hit it's (their) target. Israel denied that any of their aircraft went down but did acknowledged that they were targeted and besides the Israeli government can't cover it up since the area where it would have fallen is a residential area.

 

[MTN1917]

Some interesting highlights from Holy Defense week parade

IRIADF Talash(with longer canisters possibly for Sayyad3 missile)

IRGCASF paraded a possibly new air defense called "Sayyad" unfortunately due to bad filming of parade we only caught a glimpse of Sayyad radar.

Sayyad air defense system(not to be mistaken with sayyad missile)

Bashir radar, used by Raad family

Unidentified system accompanying Bashir

Raad family TELARs and TELs have also evolved, which possibly indicates that mass production is either underway or will happen soon.

New 3rd Khordad TELARs.

New Tabas TELARs.

S300 components(launcher and big bird radar)

 

[Arminkh]

New 3rd Khordad TELARs.
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Are those the illuminators in front of the missile?

 

[BlueInGreen]

There has been an increase in US spy plane close encounters with the Iranian air defence forces. This can only mean one thing, they are probing Iran for potential weaknesses in the defense grid for an eventual pre-emptive strike.

Situation in the middle east is also worsening, US generals have said that a no fly zone over Aleppo would cause a direct war with both Russia and Syria and these close incursions by thr US are in definite preperation for that.

I hope Iran doesn't just parade these high tech air defense systems around while the US is literally getting ready for an attack.

I think Iran knows an attack is coming soon since the supreme leader has called for increase in offensive power rather than the standard defense power that we are used to hearing.

The war of words between Russia and the US are getting hotter and hotter by the minute. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

What are your guys thoughts on these recent developments?

 

[Arminkh]

There has been an increase in US spy plane close encounters with the Iranian air defence forces. This can only mean one thing, they are probing Iran for potential weaknesses in the defense grid for an eventual pre-emptive strike.

Situation in the middle east is also worsening, US generals have said that a no fly zone over Aleppo would cause a direct war with both Russia and Syria and these close incursions by thr US are in definite preperation for that.

I hope Iran doesn't just parade these high tech air defense systems around while the US is literally getting ready for an attack.

I think Iran knows an attack is coming soon since the supreme leader has called for increase in offensive power rather than the standard defense power that we are used to hearing.

The war of words between Russia and the US are getting hotter and hotter by the minute. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

What are your guys thoughts on these recent developments?

I think all sides are wiser then that to start a war.

Russia already has a S-400 system stationed in Syria. that's beside the Missile cruiser Moscova (which is a sea based S-300) and the S-300 systems that Syria possesses. So I can't see how anyone but Russia could impose a no fly zone over Syria.

Regarding Iran, the flights are nothing new. US has had these types of flights happening ever since 80s. I think what has changed is that now Iran has better equipment and have become bolder which leads to the stand offs. I don't think that would lead to any war.

Here is a recent example:

https://www.rt.com/news/360409-us-spy-plane-iran/

I'm sure the U-2 is flying over many other countries without them even noticing and that's why it is not in the news either.

 

[Draco.IMF]

can anyone tell the difference between RAAD, 3rd Khordad & Tabas Air Defence systems?
There are so many AD systems in development I completely lost the overview regarding the RAAD family
AFAIK the differences lies in different kind of missiles, range, radars and so on, right?
Are they already deployed? mass produced?
And what about this long range AD missile called Sadid 630? Also Raad family? Deployed/mass produced?

Anyway, very good i have found this thread, it answers many questions:

https://defence.pk/threads/tabas-3r...uise-missile-seen-during-leader-visit.313503/

 

[Rukarl]

IRGCASF paraded a possibly new air defense called "Sayyad" unfortunately due to bad filming of parade we only caught a glimpse of Sayyad radar.

Sayyad air defense system(not to be mistaken with sayyad missile)
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Thanks for the post.
I think the radar is probably used for the Talash air defence? I never heard of a separate system called sayyad unless they're referring to sayyad missiles which is probably the case as on the vehicle they talk about sayyad missile air defence. But the term "sayyad missile air defence" seems vague to me as sayyad-2 and 3 are used in different system to sayyad-4.

Could sayyad be final production name for Talash air defence?

 

[Fafnir]

Some excellent pictures,the further development and refinements of the sam telars is very interesting,if these arent actually in production yet they must be very close to it,the radars also look great and its very gratifying to finally see the s300 tels and radar being paraded as well,tho its a pity there werent more pictures of the talash/rim66 sam tel as it would`ve been interesting to see if any changes had been made to it as well.

 

[SOHEIL]

talash/rim66

 

[Rukarl]

talash/rim66 sam

Talash is the name of an air defence system, composing of sayyad 2 and 3 missile. It has nothing to do with Rim66. If you're talking about sayyad-2 missile, that missile is much larger, is thicker has completely different lower fins. The only similarities is the longer fins. Such fins are found on many missile including the Russian system so it means nothing. Here is the 'Maitri' Short Range Surface-to-Air Missile by France, it also uses such long fins:

The Iranian version of rim-66 was called Mahrab that was made years ago and is deployed on some Iranian ships/boats.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Talash is the name of an air defence system, composing of sayyad 2 and 3 missile. It has nothing to do with Rim66. If you're talking about sayyad-2 missile, that missile is much larger, is thicker has completely different lower fins. The only similarities is the longer fins. Such fins are found on many missile including the Russian system so it means nothing. Here is the 'Maitri' Short Range Surface-to-Air Missile by France, it also uses such long fins:

The Iranian version of rim-66 was called Mahrab that was made years ago and is deployed on some Iranian ships/boats.

Come on, the Sayyad 2 has a similar diameter to the RIM-66. And the fins look exactly the same (the picture you posted has fins which are slightly different, like the long fin has a vertical short edge near the base of the missile, but the Sayyad and RIM-66 have sloping edges), especially the small fin.

However the Sayyad 2 has a longer airframe and likely entirely different internals to the RIM-66. Most certainly not a copy, but the airframe is based on the RIM-66, but completely modern underneath.

 

[Rukarl]

Come on, the Sayyad 2 has a similar diameter to the RIM-66. And the fins look exactly the same (the picture you posted has fins which are slightly different, like the long fin has a vertical short edge near the base of the missile, but the Sayyad and RIM-66 have sloping edges), especially the small fin.

However the Sayyad 2 has a longer airframe and likely entirely different internals to the RIM-66. Most certainly not a copy, but the airframe is based on the RIM-66, but completely modern underneath.

I understand that, I am saying it does not matter if their longer fin section is much similar or not, I posted to that pic to show such long fins are not rare and many missiles use them. Having one similar feature does not make them the same missile when everything else is in most cases is vastly different. As for similar diameter, that does meant not anything as most surface to air missile have similar diameters.


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Truck carrier of Taer missiles:

 

[Fafnir]

Talash is the name of an air defence system, composing of sayyad 2 and 3 missile. It has nothing to do with Rim66. If you're talking about sayyad-2 missile, that missile is much larger, is thicker has completely different lower fins. The only similarities is the longer fins. Such fins are found on many missile including the Russian system so it means nothing. Here is the 'Maitri' Short Range Surface-to-Air Missile by France, it also uses such long fins:

The Iranian version of rim-66 was called Mahrab that was made years ago and is deployed on some Iranian ships/boats.

Yes,and the talash/sayyad 2 missile is quite clearly based on the rim66/mahrab,its certainly isnt "much larger" nor is it "thicker"[wider diameter] its just been lengthened in the front and perhaps very,very slightly at the rear and had the rear fins squared off,unless of course you`re going to try and argue that this is some completely brand new missile that just coincidentally happens to look physically almost exactly like a rim66 which iran coincidentally just happens to have in service.See for yourself the similarities appear to be pretty obvious:

The maitri is a stalled off again/on again indian and french co-project and on the whole it has more differences than similarities with the rim66 and sayyad 2,tho interestingly the french navy also operate the rim66 on its cassard class frigates......so who knows what inspiration they might have got from them.

 

[Rukarl]

Yes,and the talash/sayyad 2 missile is quite clearly based on the rim66/mahrab,its certainly isnt "much larger" nor is it "thicker"[wider diameter] its just been lengthened in the front and perhaps very,very slightly at the rear and had the rear fins squared off,unless of course you`re going to try and argue that this is some completely brand new missile that just coincidentally happens to look physically almost exactly like a rim66 which iran coincidentally just happens to have in service.See for yourself the similarities appear to be pretty obvious:

The maitri is a stalled off again/on again indian and french co-project and on the whole it has more differences than similarities with the rim66 and sayyad 2,tho interestingly the french navy also operate the rim66 on its cassard class frigates......so who knows what inspiration they might have got from them.

You don't even know what Talash is and you're lecturing me on this topic? Talash is a name of an air defence system and not a missile.


Are you trolling or being serious? The sayyad-2 is longer and thicker (though not by much) diameter and has completely different lower fins.



This alone is enough to suggest they're different systems .The only similarities is the longer fins and even they're not exactly the same.

You make no sense at all. You basically show one similarity and want to claim sayyad-2 is rim-66.
If you don't know much about the topic, then atleast spent a little time informing yourself.

Chinese missile also a rim-66 due to one similarity.

I am not claiming sayyad-2 has no influence from the SM, but to call it the rm-66/SM-1 is being extremely blind sighted.