Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Daylamite Warrior]

when you learned that then come here and talkn . how i knew the philosophy behind that airplane , do you suggest i have access to it?

very dishonest of you to cut beginning of my sentence and change the meaning completely
this is what I said be brave and quote it completely


iran military made their decision , Tactical Sayyad and 3rd of khordad will be Iran middle Range SAM and Bavar-373 will be long range (well those middle range sams actually have more range than many countries even NATO countries long range SAMS
there is no more discussion there if you can't see why Bavar-373 is better than any S-300 and have better Radar than any S-400

that is something me and another member clearly answered many time but you guys decided not to hear , you can go read Iran air force threads and see our answers on that

wrong , Su-35 give us a platform that wont change in next 40 year , kowsar is ours and improve each year . it will be like J-10 for China or Grippen for Sweden or F-16 for USA

its clear who is that , salesman for Rosoboronexport

Ahmagh, when you cant comprehend basic English how can anyone have an intelligent discussion with you? You dont know shit, what you said was Iran should have western philosophy which is IMPOSSIBLE without cooperation with western firms, OR Iran reverse engineers some western tech which is again very unlikely, despite rumours that Russia has given Iran captured western weapons.

The quotes are clearly there and youre saying everything that Iran has or is being developed is better or on par with Russian tech, which is bollocks! Kowsaw I or II are not better or on par with Su-35! You're the only cretin that says this because YOU are the salesman of CIA!

There is no evidence that Bavar, which hasnt seen the light of day, is better than S400! Simply saying it has AESA doesnt mean shit, because you're assuming Russian AESA technology is inferior to Iranian which again you pulled out of your own kheshtak! Why should we assumed Iranian AESA is better?

There is no "our", these delusions have all come from YOU! own it!

LOL Kowsar is not ours! It is a bloody AMERICAN F-5 which has been pimped up! The SU-35 or even Mig-29 platform is lightyears better! In 40 years time F-5 platform will be 100 years old, ahmagh!

It's obvious you're the salesman of the white westerner, except you dont have a braincell to save your life.

 

[shadihassan28]

Ahmagh, when you cant comprehend basic English how can anyone have an intelligent discussion with you? You dont know shit, what you said was Iran should have western philosophy which is IMPOSSIBLE without cooperation with western firms, OR Iran reverse engineers some western tech which is again very unlikely, despite rumours that Russia has given Iran captured western weapons.

The quotes are clearly there and youre saying everything that Iran has or is being developed is better or on par with Russian tech, which is bollocks! Kowsaw I or II are not better or on par with Su-35! You're the only cretin that says this because YOU are the salesman of CIA!

There is no evidence that Bavar, which hasnt seen the light of day, is better than S400! Simply saying it has AESA doesnt mean shit, because you're assuming Russian AESA technology is inferior to Iranian which again you pulled out of your own kheshtak! Why should we assumed Iranian AESA is better?

There is no "our", these delusions have all come from YOU! own it!

LOL Kowsar is not ours! It is a bloody AMERICAN F-5 which has been pimped up! The SU-35 or even Mig-29 platform is lightyears better! In 40 years time F-5 platform will be 100 years old, ahmagh!

It's obvious you're the salesman of the white westerner, except you dont have a braincell to save your life.

I think for someone whose not from an English speaking country is pretty good, honestly English was not my best subject hence my commas and periods don’t end properly, but he’s pretty good even if my grammar sucks I can still speak 4 languages English, Arabic, Spanish and Portuguese. His English language skills are definitely intermediate skill level, I mean it doesn’t seem like your Farsi is good as his.ok I just wanted to stick up for hack on that part now Goodnite

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

I think for someone whose not from an English speaking country is pretty good, honestly English was not my best subject hence my commas and periods don’t end properly, but he’s pretty good even if my grammar sucks I can still speak 4 languages English, Arabic, Spanish and Portuguese. His English language skills are definitely intermediate skill level, I mean it doesn’t seem like your Farsi is good as his.ok I just wanted to stick up for hack on that part now Goodnite

I can assure you as someone who speaks English better than the pair of you, his English is garbage and like I'm talking to a chewing gum seller in downtown Tehran. Yes his Farsi is better because he was educated and lives there. Who gives a toss how many languages you speak? You did forget Yiddish, though. The bottom line is that this is an English speaking forum and neither of you are any good at writing. Stop saying goodnight as though I won't reply. If you want to stop then simply don't reply lol This isn't a conversation that has anything to do with you, but here you are butting your big nose into it...yes the two western arse lickers are sticking up for each other. How gay!

 

[Hack-Hook]

Ahmagh, when you cant comprehend basic English how can anyone have an intelligent discussion with you? You dont know shit, what you said was Iran should have western philosophy which is IMPOSSIBLE without cooperation with western firms, OR Iran reverse engineers some western tech which is again very unlikely, despite rumours that Russia has given Iran captured western weapons.

The quotes are clearly there and youre saying everything that Iran has or is being developed is better or on par with Russian tech, which is bollocks! Kowsaw I or II are not better or on par with Su-35! You're the only cretin that says this because YOU are the salesman of CIA!

There is no evidence that Bavar, which hasnt seen the light of day, is better than S400! Simply saying it has AESA doesnt mean shit, because you're assuming Russian AESA technology is inferior to Iranian which again you pulled out of your own kheshtak! Why should we assumed Iranian AESA is better?

There is no "our", these delusions have all come from YOU! own it!

LOL Kowsar is not ours! It is a bloody AMERICAN F-5 which has been pimped up! The SU-35 or even Mig-29 platform is lightyears better! In 40 years time F-5 platform will be 100 years old, ahmagh!

It's obvious you're the salesman of the white westerner, except you dont have a braincell to save your life.

Politely inform you what insult you put in your post actually describe you .
if you were man enough you would have post your insults in English , not finglish
no you are afraid , couldn't expect anything else from Rosoboronexport sale rep

 

[shadihassan28]

Politely inform you what insult you put in your post actually describe you .
if you were man enough you would have post your insults in English , not finglish
no you are afraid , couldn't expect anything else from Rosoboronexport sale rep

Still trying to figure why he deleted a post confirming he’s not an Iranian national but a poser, at least I admit where I’m from

 

[Hack-Hook]

Still trying to figure why he deleted a post confirming he’s not an Iranian national but a poser, at least I admit where I’m from

didn't see what he said this time , previously he was saying , he is from Iranian ancestry who born and raised under the flag of the Queen , emm sorry King and never been to Iran

 

[shadihassan28]

didn't see what he said this time , previously he was saying , he is from Iranian ancestry who born and raised under the flag of the Queen , emm sorry King and never been to Iran

No he was insulting your English but I’ve noticed he doesn’t understand Farsi and needs translating, you being from Iran honestly gives you more right than some poser and me as well but at least I acknowledge where I’m from instead of hiding it, so honestly if he like’s using the word shill aptly describes who he is by the definition he uses. Also for a true hardcore Iranian ancestry you would think he would know how to read write and speak Farsi ,at least I can do arabic in all 3 I was born in Ohio lmaooo,I’m sorry I really don’t want to derail this thread but someone who pretends to instill Iranian values should at least know the language.

 

[jauk]

Ahmagh <CLIP>

Please stop being inappropriate. You can make jabs but outright disrespect is not cool. This goes for others as well.

 

[tsunset]

yes su-25, no but I'm not Rosoboronexport sale representative

i swear i'm not a Rosoboronexport representant or shareholder

Are you an HESA shareholder or what

our domestic aircraft production program show you are a tool and sale person for Rosoboronexport

How many Rosobonexport representatives and HESA shareholders are on this forum?

 

[shadihassan28]

Please stop being inappropriate. You can make jabs but outright disrespect is not cool. This goes for others as well.

Well he got banned for awhile so at least it will be quiet for the time being if he comes back maybe he will behave longer than a week.

 

[Joe_Adam]

Yeah all those guys are on roids, probably have small penises, will have heart attacks in their late 40s and cry when they watch Bambi because of hormone imbalance.

That Iranian guy is natural, probably has a bigger dick than you and will probably outlive those stedheads. I dont get your point...

You turks dont know how to make analogies.

Turk = Ishak = خر / حمير / وحشى = thick skull = genetically feeble = not known for sports or fitness = highly insecure = all enjoy inferiority complex as a national trait, and most important of all they enjoy an IQ count of 1.09, which for them; it makes life is a bliss.

 

[Joe_Adam]

Lol, Trophy APS, radars, all electronic systems, software, Battle Management Systems, ammunition, armor, ERA, tracks, suspension, fire control systems, encrypted communication devices all made in Israel. IMI MG253 is a licensed version of the German L44 just like the M256 the Americans use on the Abrams lol. Cope.

I worked in this field for many years, so if I am not intimately familiar I wouldn't utter a word. Merkava and Abrams both are German concepts and German systems with few secondary subsystems added to them to spice up the final product and make it look "non-German". Any major system/weapons platform is identified by its main armements as clearly show who made the platform, it's a German made despite the rosy looking lipsticks.

Additionally, the Trophy APS is based on the old USSR Drozd made in 1970s, which later redesigned in 1993 and fielded in 1997 as an a new Active Protection System with millimeter-wave radar antennae, multi-function Doppler radar, and a digital computer scans an arc around the tank for threats, then the system became "Arena APS", which was then the only practical system in the world. Unfortunately, The Russian Jewish spies stole the system design details from "Kolomna-based Engineering Design Bureau (KBM)" during the presidency of drunken Boris Yeltsin in 1998 when the Russian Federation going thru a free fall. Still, it took Israel 10 additional years to learn, test, and replicate the system which has been in production in Russia since 1997. The rest of your list is irrelevant since none in that list of Israeli origin "I could prove each single one through detailed documentation".

All components, every sub-system, every devise, and every thing used or marketed by the Israelis as Israeli-made are 100% American, West European, or Russian made.

Among 6 million number of your people almost half are illiterate as they live outside the Israeli system and totally detached, and then 75% of your atheists population are Polish and east European hobos who are not known for innovations nor known for great minds "ask any US expert or any American Joe Doe to get the same answer".

The irreligious Zionists are mostly Mafia "called Russian Mafia for cover up" they are mainly from Russia, Ukraine, and some from the Balkan states & the Baltics too. Not a mixture that could be associated with science or engineering.

Regardless, you can keep listing the following Ashkenazi food recipes:
Bagels, latkes, matzo ball soup, tzimmes, gribenes, and latkes. That list is real, and genuine so you could claim it.
Your claims about anything else designed or made in Israel is 100% fabricated fantasies since Israelis make nothing of real value as they aren't capable to do so, plus handouts from USA keeps pouring in constantly 24/7 365 days a year, thus, the very rare few who could be of any use have no incentive to do jack.

 

[Beny Karachun]

I worked in this field for many years, so if I am not intimately familiar I wouldn't utter a word. Merkava and Abrams both are German concepts and German systems with few secondary subsystems added to them to spice up the final product and make it look "non-German". Any major system/weapons platform is identified by its main armements as clearly show who made the platform, it's a German made despite the rosy looking lipsticks.

Additionally, the Trophy APS is based on the old USSR Drozd made in 1970s, which later redesigned in 1993 and fielded in 1997 as an a new Active Protection System with millimeter-wave radar antennae, multi-function Doppler radar, and a digital computer scans an arc around the tank for threats, then the system became "Arena APS", which was then the only practical system in the world. Unfortunately, The Russian Jewish spies stole the system design details from "Kolomna-based Engineering Design Bureau (KBM)" during the presidency of drunken Boris Yeltsin in 1998 when the Russian Federation going thru a free fall. Still, it took Israel 10 additional years to learn, test, and replicate the system which has been in production in Russia since 1997. The rest of your list is irrelevant since none in that list of Israeli origin "I could prove each single one through detailed documentation".

All components, every sub-system, every devise, and every thing used or marketed by the Israelis as Israeli-made are 100% American, West European, or Russian made.

Among 6 million number of your people almost half are illiterate as they live outside the Israeli system and totally detached, and then 75% of your atheists population are Polish and east European hobos who are not known for innovations nor known for great minds "ask any US expert or any American Joe Doe to get the same answer".

The irreligious Zionists are mostly Mafia "called Russian Mafia for cover up" they are mainly from Russia, Ukraine, and some from the Balkan states & the Baltics too. Not a mixture that could be associated with science or engineering.

Regardless, you can keep listing the following Ashkenazi food recipes:
Bagels, latkes, matzo ball soup, tzimmes, gribenes, and latkes. That list is real, and genuine so you could claim it.
Your claims about anything else designed or made in Israel is 100% fabricated fantasies since Israelis make nothing of real value as they aren't capable to do so, plus handouts from USA keeps pouring in constantly 24/7 365 days a year, thus, the very rare few who could be of any use have no incentive to do jack.

You worked in shit, you don't know anything lol

L44 cannon and engine are the only German thing about Merkava and Abrams. The rest are Israeli in the Merkava.

About the Drozd, it was garbage, same about Russian Arena, same about Shtroa, none of them ever worked, evidently Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine.

Trophy on the other hand has over 200 interceptions in combat situation, that's 100 percent success rate, the system also tells you where the enemy is.

Anyways, cope, Jews create superior weapons, you can cry lol

 

[Joe_Adam]

You worked in shit, you don't know anything lol

Trust me; I could teach the entire population of Ashkenazi / Kazara hordes. Since you're derived from Mongols, your brains capable only of cruelty, bloodshed, and Satanic deeds, and the world testifies to that.

L44 cannon and engine are the only German thing about Merkava and Abrams. The rest are Israeli in the Merkava.

General Dynamics / Land Division makes the power pack. You only make the thermal sleeve for the 120 mm gun, period.

About the Drozd, it was garbage, same about Russian Arena, same about Shtroa, none of them ever worked, evidently Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine.

Please do not compare punny Israeli dirtbags to anything Russians, the actual garbage is you. It's just hilarious to pretend to be something you're not. The Russian defeated many empires throughout history including your Nazi friends in 1945.

Trophy on the other hand has over 200 interceptions in combat situation, that's 100 percent success rate, the system also tells you where the enemy is.

Anyways, cope, Jews create superior

Delusional. You can't and you won't make anything even close to the Russians.

weapons, you can cry lol

Let me quote your crooked nosed dude who wrote the book:
We Were Caught Unprepared:
The 2006 Hezbollah-Israeli War
By: Matt M. Matthews

An Israeli military expert talking about Israeli defeat in Lebanon by few hundred Hezbollah fighters in 2006.

Don't be a fool, but you can cry. Just read your own "Israeli expert" (Citation needed) and learn humility:

Quoted from pages 1 through page 2:

"Without question, the Israeli ground campaign revealed an army confused by its new doctrine. Soldiers were
deficient in training and equipment, and senior officers seemed woefully unprepared to fight a “real war.” By the time the United Nations (UN) cease-fire went into effect on 14 August 2006, many military analysts were convinced the IDF had suffered a significant defeat.
One source held that Hezbollah’s military and political victory was absolute and irrefutable.

Even more revealing were the comments by Mossad Chief, Meir Degan, and the head of Shin Bet, Yuval Diskin, during a meeting with Prime Minister Olmert in the immediate aftermath of the war. Both men pointedly told Olmert “the war was a national catastrophe and Israel suffered a critical blow.”

No conflict in recent past provides a more illuminating study for the US Army than the 2006 Hezbollah-Israeli war. After years of conducting successful counterinsurgency operations against the Palestinians, the Israeli military encountered substantial problems in shifting its focus to major combat operations against Hezbollah. As with the IDF prior to the 2006 war, the US Army, at least for the last three years, has focused almost exclusively on irregular warfare.

For the IDF, these operations seriously dulled ground maneuver combat skills, particularly among tank crewmen. The IDF’s steadfast acceptance of a new doctrine inspired by Effects-Based Operations (EBO), Systemic Operational Design (SOD), and standoff firepower-based operations also proved problematic. Implications for the US Army in this arena should prove enlightening." End of quote.

Enough said by your own "Israeli Expert" (Citation needed).

Why your Trophy didn't function? It still doesn't, so could you ask your boss "the old Hasbara" as how to make up an answer when you keep making up lies through your crooked teeth?

Iran trained those boys who kicked the crap out of your best armed military, now imagine messing around with the real deal.

Are you still planning to take over the whole region "SOLO" by this rag-tag bunch of baby killers?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Trust me; I could teach the entire population of Ashkenazi / Kazara hordes. Since you're derived from Mongols, your brains capable only of cruelty, bloodshed, and Satanic deeds, and the world testifies to that.

General Dynamics / Land Division makes the power pack. You only make the thermal sleeve for the 120 mm gun, period.

Please do not compare punny Israeli dirtbags to anything Russians, the actual garbage is you. It's just hilarious to pretend to be something you're not. The Russian defeated many empires throughout history including your Nazi friends in 1945.

Delusional. You can't and you won't make anything even close to the Russians.

Let me quote your crooked nosed dude who wrote the book:
We Were Caught Unprepared:
The 2006 Hezbollah-Israeli War
By: Matt M. Matthews

An Israeli military expert talking about Israeli defeat in Lebanon by few hundred Hezbollah fighters in 2006.

Don't be a fool, but you can cry. Just read your own "Israeli expert" (Citation needed) and learn humility:

Quoted from pages 1 through page 2:

"Without question, the Israeli ground campaign revealed an army confused by its new doctrine. Soldiers were
deficient in training and equipment, and senior officers seemed woefully unprepared to fight a “real war.” By the time the United Nations (UN) cease-fire went into effect on 14 August 2006, many military analysts were convinced the IDF had suffered a significant defeat.
One source held that Hezbollah’s military and political victory was absolute and irrefutable.

Even more revealing were the comments by Mossad Chief, Meir Degan, and the head of Shin Bet, Yuval Diskin, during a meeting with Prime Minister Olmert in the immediate aftermath of the war. Both men pointedly told Olmert “the war was a national catastrophe and Israel suffered a critical blow.”

No conflict in recent past provides a more illuminating study for the US Army than the 2006 Hezbollah-Israeli war. After years of conducting successful counterinsurgency operations against the Palestinians, the Israeli military encountered substantial problems in shifting its focus to major combat operations against Hezbollah. As with the IDF prior to the 2006 war, the US Army, at least for the last three years, has focused almost exclusively on irregular warfare.

For the IDF, these operations seriously dulled ground maneuver combat skills, particularly among tank crewmen. The IDF’s steadfast acceptance of a new doctrine inspired by Effects-Based Operations (EBO), Systemic Operational Design (SOD), and standoff firepower-based operations also proved problematic. Implications for the US Army in this arena should prove enlightening." End of quote.

Enough said by your own "Israeli Expert" (Citation needed).

Why your Trophy didn't function? It still doesn't, so could you ask your boss "the old Hasbara" as how to make up an answer when you keep making up lies through your crooked teeth?

Iran trained those boys who kicked the crap out of your best armed military, now imagine messing around with the real deal.

Are you still planning to take over the whole region "SOLO" by this rag-tag bunch of baby killers?

Our brains are the most capable. Just search for the highest IQ ethnic group lol.

In 2006, Israel killed 6 terrorists for every 1 soldier it lost. And it only lost 121 soldiers, this is merely a skirmish, a war only by name. Israel had Olmert as the prime minister, a complete idiot that was the replacement of Sharon, not an elected PM, since Sharon fell into a coma. He gave the military contradicting orders and was afraid of civilian casualties.

Trophy "didn't function" because it didn't exist in 2006 lol.

The thing is, Israel negated every threat Hezbollah posses. ATGMs and RPGs are nullified thanks to the Trophy. Rockets are nullified thanks to the Iron Dome and Iron Beam. New cyber, intelligence, recon capabilities triumph Hezbollah.

Israel shaped reshaped its military successfully, to the point Nasrallah is afraid of leaving his rat hole he lives in below the ground, and Hezbollah and Iran don't dare to attack Israel even after Israel is killing its generals , factories and advanced weapon systems.

How has Hezbollah and Iran reshaped their forces? Same garbage, drones and rockets. Their advanced missiles and drones will be blown up in the first hours of the war and all they will have left are a bunch of short range garbage rockets that will be hunted like ducks with our Iron Beam.

You are just a subhuman, incapable of doing anything significant, too cowardice to even respond to your generals, officers, soldiers, factories, weapon shipments being blown up every week.